Did MM Alam Really Shot Down 5 Indian Hawker Hunter Jets in A Minute in 1965 War

Did MM Alam Really Shot Down 5 Indian Hawker Hunter Jets in A Minute in 1965 War


In the annals of aerial combat, few claims are as audacious as that of Pakistani fighter pilot M.M. Alam. During the 1965 Indo-Pak War, Alam is said to have shot down five Indian Hawker Hunter jets in under a minute – a feat that would defy the laws of physics and redefine aerial warfare. But did it really happen?

The Claim​

According to the official Pakistani narrative, on September 7, 1965, Alam, flying an F-86 Sabre, intercepted a formation of Indian Hawker Hunters attacking Sargodha Air Base. In a lightning-fast engagement, he reportedly downed five enemy aircraft within a mere 60 seconds, becoming an instant national hero.

The Evidence (or Lack Thereof)​

Despite the official fanfare, concrete evidence to support Alam's claim is scarce. There are no known gun camera recordings of the engagement, and eyewitness accounts are often contradictory or unreliable. The Indian Air Force vehemently denies losing five aircraft that day, acknowledging some losses but disputing Alam's figure.

Aviation experts also express skepticism. They argue that the timeframe is simply too short to achieve five confirmed kills, even for the most skilled pilot. Factors like the speed and maneuverability of the aircraft, the limitations of ammunition and targeting systems, and the chaos of aerial combat all cast doubt on the claim's veracity.

Alternative Explanations​

Several theories have emerged to explain the discrepancy between Alam's claim and the available evidence:
  • Exaggeration: In the heat of war, stories are often embellished to boost morale and inspire patriotic fervor. Alam's achievement may have been inflated to serve as a propaganda tool, with the actual number of kills being lower than five.
  • Misidentification: The fog of war can lead to confusion and misreporting. It's possible that Alam and his wingmen shot down multiple aircraft, but some may have been duplicates or even friendly fire incidents.
  • Technical Malfunctions: Some have speculated that the Indian Hunters may have experienced technical problems or mechanical failures, making them easier targets for Alam.

The Verdict​

While the truth remains elusive, the weight of evidence suggests that Alam's claim of five kills in a minute is likely an exaggeration or misrepresentation. Even if he achieved multiple victories that day, the official narrative appears to be inflated for political and propaganda purposes.

Nevertheless, Alam's bravery and skill as a pilot are not disputed. He remains a respected figure in Pakistani military history, regardless of the exact number of his aerial victories.

Ultimately, the story of M.M. Alam's five kills in a minute serves as a cautionary tale about the importance of critical thinking and independent verification when evaluating historical claims, especially those that seem too good to be true.
 
Pakistan has always and is still surviving on such fake news. The end story they have lost all the four wars(48,65,71,99) with us. In 2019 short conflict, our Mig 21 even shot down a F16. For how long, our media's will give importance to such fake propagandas by our enemies.
 
Can someone enlighten with what Bharat claims for this particular incident?
Based on what information has been disclosed, the IAF records 3 Hunters lost in that area that day.

That said, this incident may remain veiled by the fog of war for a long time, since unlike with PNS Ghazi, there isn't any physical evidence to investigate now. Of course, Ghazi's sinking in 1971 was also hotly debated, but the wreck shows signs of an internal explosion (from the mines she was carrying).
 
Probably in all likelihood he did down a few of IAF jets as acknowledged by the service,but that 5 in under a minute seems way too unreal.
 
Pakistan has always and is still surviving on such fake news. The end story they have lost all the four wars(48,65,71,99) with us. In 2019 short conflict, our Mig 21 even shot down a F16. For how long, our media's will give importance to such fake propagandas by our enemies.
true,they lost all these wars, but lets not underestimate them, remember about Ghazi coming upto the Vizag harbour mouth and Khukri being sunk !
 
true,they lost all these wars, but lets not underestimate them, remember about Ghazi coming upto the Vizag harbour mouth and Khukri being sunk !
It was a trap set for them. The sub was lured and the Pak fell for the trick. Jimble.
 
It was a trap set for them. The sub was lured and the Pak fell for the trick. Jimble.
Sirji trap set with Khukri as bait.. ?? getting Khukri sunk with our sailors dying ?? Really ???? If true, then its a very bad bargain. By the way, our records show Ghazi inside explosion took place while submerged. Maybe some guy was smoking inside the mines storage bins area.
 
1965 paf had upperhand over iaf due to nato weapons like sidewinder...
nato weapons were always superior to russian weapons with rare shortlived exceptions and india had not much military imports fron israel then... only israeli weapons perform better than nato g7 member country weapons.
 
Sirji trap set with Khukri as bait.. ?? getting Khukri sunk with our sailors dying ?? Really ???? If true, then its a very bad bargain. By the way, our records show Ghazi inside explosion took place while submerged. Maybe some guy was smoking inside the mines storage bins area.
The bait was INS Vikrant.

PNS Gazi was deliberately lured to Bay of Bengal to target the non present INS Vikrant which was docked in Andaman. The sub may have been destroyed either by hitting the mines or by internal explosion. But definitely IN were expecting PNS to send their best SUB to hunt our AC.
 
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Based on what information has been disclosed, the IAF records 3 Hunters lost in that area that day.

That said, this incident may remain veiled by the fog of war for a long time, since unlike with PNS Ghazi, there isn't any physical evidence to investigate now. Of course, Ghazi's sinking in 1971 was also hotly debated, but the wreck shows signs of an internal explosion (from the mines she was carrying).
PAK military has nothing to say other than cooked up stories.
 
1965 paf had upperhand over iaf due to nato weapons like sidewinder...
nato weapons were always superior to russian weapons with rare shortlived exceptions and india had not much military imports fron israel then... only israeli weapons perform better than nato g7 member country weapons.
Same advantage they also had in 1971 -- and they lost both 1965 and 1971 (latter even worse, as 24 of their 32 Mirage-III -- rated by DK Palit back then as "far ahead of anything in IAF inventory -- had to hide in Zahedan).
 
Same advantage they also had in 1971 -- and they lost both 1965 and 1971 (latter even worse, as 24 of their 32 Mirage-III -- rated by DK Palit back then as "far ahead of anything in IAF inventory -- had to hide in Zahedan).
1971 IAF had upper hand over PAF unlike 1965.
1965 govt and journos made Indians to believe on air superiority though not fully true.
Mig21s performed well over PAF in 1971, they were slightly ahead of time then.
 

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