High-Level Panel Explores Early Induction of AMCA Fighter, First Batch of 40 Mk1 Expected as Early as 2033, Mk2 Development to Continue in Parallel

High-Level Panel Explores Early Induction of AMCA Fighter, First Batch of 40 Mk1 Expected as Early as 2033, Mk2 Development to Continue in Parallel


A high-level committee is examining the possibility of significantly accelerating the induction of India's indigenous Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) into the Indian Air Force (IAF).

The committee, aiming to bolster India's air combat capabilities, could see the first AMCA Mk1 fighters joining the IAF fleet as early as 2033, two years ahead of the initial 2035 target.

The committee, led by Defence Secretary Rajesh Kumar Singh, includes key figures such as IAF Vice Chief Air Marshal S.P. Dharkar, Secretary (Defence Production) Sanjeev Kumar, and senior officials from the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA).

Their report, expected next month, is anticipated to outline a roadmap for faster AMCA deployment. This initiative reflects India's commitment to modernizing its air force in response to evolving regional security challenges.

A phased approach is being considered, with two AMCA variants: the Mk1 and the more advanced Mk2. The AMCA Mk1 will be powered by the readily available General Electric F414 engine, the same engine that will power the Tejas Mk2. This decision allows for faster production and deployment, as the F414 is a proven platform. The AMCA Mk2, planned for later induction, will feature a new, more powerful 110kN thrust-class engine, currently under development.

The committee is reportedly considering a recommendation for an initial order of 40 AMCA Mk1 aircraft after the successful completion of trials on five prototypes. These prototypes are currently undergoing various stages of design and development. The trials, expected to be completed by the end of 2031 or early 2032, will rigorously test the aircraft's stealth capabilities, avionics, sensors, and weapons systems.

If the proposed timeline is met, the IAF could begin receiving the first batch of 40 AMCA Mk1 fighters by 2033. This early induction would not only enhance the IAF's operational strength but also provide valuable experience for air and ground crews in handling a fifth-generation platform, smoothing the transition to the future Mk2 variant.

Even with the existing F414 engine, the AMCA Mk1 will represent a significant upgrade for the IAF. It will incorporate key fifth-generation features, including stealth technology, an internal weapons bay (allowing the aircraft to carry weapons internally to reduce its radar signature), an advanced Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, and sophisticated situational awareness systems. These features surpass the capabilities of the IAF's current fourth and fourth-plus generation fighters, such as the Sukhoi Su-30MKI and Dassault Rafale.

While the accelerated timeline is ambitious, significant challenges remain. Developing a fifth-generation fighter is a complex undertaking, requiring the seamless integration of advanced technologies. Close collaboration between the ADA, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), private sector defence companies, and a reliable supply chain for critical components will be essential.

Rigorous testing of the prototypes is crucial to ensure the AMCA meets the IAF's operational needs. Delays in testing could impact the production timeline. The development of the more powerful 110kN engine for the AMCA Mk2 is also a key factor. International collaborations, potentially with companies like Safran and Rolls-Royce, are being explored, but finalizing technology transfer and intellectual property agreements may take time.

The successful early induction of the AMCA Mk1 would be a major milestone for India's indigenous defence industry. It would demonstrate India's growing self-reliance in defence production, a key objective of the "Atmanirbhar Bharat" initiative.

The advanced capabilities of the AMCA, particularly its stealth features, would significantly improve the IAF's ability to operate in contested airspace, conduct precision strikes, and ensure air superiority – crucial capabilities in the face of evolving security threats.
 
Good deal. For Engine is yet to sign, foreign partner yet formally haven't selected. How this committee pushes for early induction? It will have similar situation like Tejas MK1A if delay continues for selecting foreign partner & finalising the deal.
 
How come Turkey and South Korea have flying prototypes and how come the South Korea has its own submarines. Why we can’t do it? Are we that incompetent?
 
How come Turkey and South Korea have flying prototypes and how come the South Korea has its own submarines. Why we can’t do it? Are we that incompetent?
Nope, the big reason is the USA. They received a lot of technical support from the USA, especially in the defense sector. Even Lockheed Martin is involved in their 5th-generation fighter program.
 
Are we that incompetent?
No, we are not incompetent, we are just disorganized.

Our education system was designed by Lord Macaulay to produce an army of clerks and even after independence, our Newruvian statsmanship decided to pick it up and run with it, as a result we have the world's largest pool of rote-learned engineers who have an expertise in acing the most difficult of global exams without actually understanding the application of their learnings.
And the sugar on the top, our best folks emigrate to western countries while we are left with sarkaari R&D agencies where excellence is frowned upon and seniority is celebrated.

In a nutshell, as great Leader Rawool Vinci once said, "We excel at appointing Race Horses for Marriage processions and Wedding horses for Horse Races".
 
How come Turkey and South Korea have flying prototypes and how come the South Korea has its own submarines. Why we can’t do it? Are we that incompetent?
Are they truly 5th-gen aircraft? Check it again. And for them, also, the engine is the big issue. And for submarines, blame it on the navy and our government in the '90s for very poor decision-making. It's only because of them that, till date, we are importing submarines.
 
You really want to speed-up then take it from DRDO and Babu mentality and place under PMO or privatize.
 
When you had time, you wouldn't give approvals. But now you want AMCA to be speedily inducted and not even speedily developed. Wow. Politicians are really a piece of work.
 
Good deal. For Engine is yet to sign, foreign partner yet formally haven't selected. How this committee pushes for early induction? It will have similar situation like Tejas MK1A if delay continues for selecting foreign partner & finalising the deal.
US President Trump has selected Boeing to produce the "next generation of air superiority" fighter. AMCA has already lagged behind without production, and India should immediately stop developing AMCA and cooperate with the United States to develop the F-47. Invest the funds for developing AMCA into the sixth generation fighter.
 
Nope, the big reason is the USA. They received a lot of technical support from the USA, especially in the defense sector. Even Lockheed Martin is involved in their 5th-generation fighter program.
Yes, you are correct. Both countries are very close allies of the USA and NATO. South Korea is one of the technically developed countries. They are strong in electronics. They have high-tech companies like Samsung, LG, Hyundai, and Kia. MBDA integrated their Meteor missiles in the KF-21. But they are not giving them to us. They are making joking statements. And one more thing is, they are not that much adamant on TOT.
 
How come Turkey and South Korea have flying prototypes and how come the South Korea has its own submarines. Why we can’t do it? Are we that incompetent?
If by 'we' you mean our DRDO and DPSUs, yes, we are far, far worse. But if you mean India as a whole, then no. We ain't. Just that the GoI prefers to nominate the tenders to the DPSUs only.
 
Lol, CCS clearance was delayed by at least 4 years. Now they'll do committee meetings as if it's magic.
CCS clearance was delayed by 4 years? Lol... they gave clearance within 11 months, bro. DRDO is on record that they submitted the papers in April and permission came in March. Less than 11 months, in fact. And then it turned out that their CDR was flawed, and the design is being revised again, after almost a year. This shows that for the last year or so, they have done absolutely nothing with the money given to them or, worse, wasted money on a faulty design.
 
When you had time, you wouldn't give approvals. But now you want AMCA to be speedily inducted and not even speedily developed. Wow. Politicians are really a piece of work.
They gave approvals at lightening speed. DRDO is on record saying that documents were submitted to CCS in April, and approval came in March next year. That's less than 11 months. But you know the best part? After almost a year, they are now changing the design! After CDR! So clearly they lied during the CDR phase and then during the scrutiny by CCS. And then either did nothing during the entire year, or worse, wasted money on a faulty design. So the real piece of work is this organization called DRDO.
 
The most crucial and important aspect in making the AMCA project a success is very close and timely coordination between ADA, HAL, MoD, air force, CCS, private or government companies, GE and Safran/RR in whichever wins the engine deal.

We also have to make a strict timeline and list on what to do, who needs to do it and by when so that accountability can be placed on the people, companies or organisations responsible if they fail to deliver or perform.

The main foreign technology that we will need is an engine so we need to quickly sign a deal for the F414 and a future next generation stealth engine so that we don’t face massive delays to the fighter jet program as developing a brand new stealth engine takes a long time of at least 6-8+ years before it’s ready for production.

The best option is to let several private companies to manufacture the entire jets within their existing or newly built facilities. This gives them freedom to make deals with their supply chains and make the deals quicker. Once the entire jet is built then HAL can complete all of the tests and certify the jet which shouldn’t take long.

Also a foreign engine company might allow or partner with HAL as it’s a government owned company. Engine technology is very restricted and tightly controlled and partnering with an Indian private company could leak or sell such critical technology.
 
2033 is too late for AMCA-MK-I better make ORCA seeking tech from Daasualt while making 114+ Rafale F-4 under MRFA before 2030 !
 
The most crucial and important aspect in making the AMCA project a success is very close and timely coordination between ADA, HAL, MoD, air force, CCS, private or government companies, GE and Safran/RR in whichever wins the engine deal.

We also have to make a strict timeline and list on what to do, who needs to do it and by when so that accountability can be placed on the people, companies or organisations responsible if they fail to deliver or perform.

The main foreign technology that we will need is an engine so we need to quickly sign a deal for the F414 and a future next generation stealth engine so that we don’t face massive delays to the fighter jet program as developing a brand new stealth engine takes a long time of at least 6-8+ years before it’s ready for production.

The best option is to let several private companies to manufacture the entire jets within their existing or newly built facilities. This gives them freedom to make deals with their supply chains and make the deals quicker. Once the entire jet is built then HAL can complete all of the tests and certify the jet which shouldn’t take long.

Also a foreign engine company might allow or partner with HAL as it’s a government owned company. Engine technology is very restricted and tightly controlled and partnering with an Indian private company could leak or sell such critical technology.
Even if AMCA is not produced in 10 years. By 2035, the AMCA will only be a 5-generation fighter that lags behind. Modi should ask Trump to jointly develop the 6th generation fighter. India and the United States, two superpowers, cooperated to develop the F-47.
 
Path to swift AMCA induction lay in swift HAL privatization.
No logic, as only a PSU would be willing to produce only 40 of them. Private needs at least 120.
  1. Make more prototypes, at last twenty, for faster testing.
  2. Order at least 120 AMCA MK1.
  3. Find a fix for GEF414 engines. Cannot depend on West during war.
If MOD, secretary should be removed and ADA should be directly responsible.
 
No logic, as only a PSU would be willing to produce only 40 of them. Private needs at least 120.
  1. Make more prototypes, at last twenty, for faster testing.
  2. Order at least 120 AMCA MK1.
  3. Find a fix for GEF414 engines. Cannot depend on West during war.
If MOD, secretary should be removed and ADA should be directly responsible.
Twenty prototypes? What on Earth for? 5-8 prototypes is pretty sufficient. Any more is a waste of resources.

As for expanding the AMCA Mk 1 order, that is a good suggestion, and the IAF should look into that.
 
They gave approvals at lightening speed. DRDO is on record saying that documents were submitted to CCS in April, and approval came in March next year. That's less than 11 months. But you know the best part? After almost a year, they are now changing the design! After CDR! So clearly they lied during the CDR phase and then during the scrutiny by CCS. And then either did nothing during the entire year, or worse, wasted money on a faulty design. So the real piece of work is this organization called DRDO.
What approval at lightning speed? AMCA head had to go begging to the PMO for AMCA approval, showing Turkey's rapid stride in 5th-gen aircraft development. Two years were wasted to get approval of AMCA. This is discounting the delay due to the IAF and GOI fiasco with the FGFA. Keep your cherry-picking to yourself.
 
Twenty prototypes? What on Earth for? 5-8 prototypes is pretty sufficient. Any more is a waste of resources.

As for expanding the AMCA Mk 1 order, that is a good suggestion, and the IAF should look into that.
Anemia is a case where less oxygen reaches the brain. Similarly, with more prototypes/LSPs, the testing process and development of the production line are faster. Only fools do not make experiments at the prototype stage. Besides, there were over 16 prototypes/LSPs for Tejas. Every big nation does it, and no one acts as anemically as India. China gets it done in five years. South Korea and Turkey are getting it done. South Korea is ordering hundreds before it gets to stealth.
 

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