India May Acquire 2-3 Squadron of F-35 as Interim Solution Amidst Indigenous AMCA Delays, Rafale Like G2G Deal Expected

India May Acquire 2-3 Squadron of F-35 as Interim Solution Amidst Indigenous AMCA Delays, Rafale Like G2G Deal Expected


India is reportedly exploring the possibility of acquiring a limited number of F-35 Lightning II fifth-generation fighter aircraft from the United States as a temporary measure to address potential capability gaps while its domestic Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) program matures.

The acquisition, if pursued, is expected to mirror the government-to-government (G2G) framework employed in the 2016 purchase of Rafale fighter jets from France.

Sources indicate that any potential F-35 deal would involve a relatively small number of aircraft, likely between 36 and 54, constituting two to three squadrons. The agreement would also be subject to strict technology safeguards mandated by the United States government, reflecting the sensitive nature of the F-35's advanced capabilities.

The procurement process is anticipated to follow a G2G model, facilitating direct negotiations between the Indian and US governments. This approach, similar to the one used for the $8.88 billion Rafale acquisition, aims to accelerate the process and potentially secure pricing comparable to that offered to the US armed forces. This method avoids the often lengthy and complex multi-vendor competitive bidding process.

A primary driver for considering the F-35 is the extended timeline of the AMCA program. While the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) approved the AMCA project in March 2024, the first flight of the indigenous fifth-generation fighter is not anticipated until early 2029.

Furthermore, full-scale production is not projected to commence until 2034-2035 at the earliest. This leaves a significant period where the Indian Air Force (IAF) may face a shortfall in cutting-edge combat capabilities.

However, even a rapid decision on the F-35 would not provide an immediate solution. Current estimates suggest that deliveries of the aircraft could not begin before 2029, at the earliest.

Lockheed Martin, the manufacturer of the F-35, faces a substantial order backlog, supplying the aircraft to the US military, NATO allies, and partners in the Indo-Pacific region. Full operational capability of even two squadrons within the IAF could take an additional three to four years after initial deliveries, potentially extending to 2032-2033.

An unnamed IAF official mentioned in previous reports that supply chain constraints and manufacturing capacity limits are among the factors contribute to delay in delivery, even if order placed in 2025, delivery may face delay untill 2030.

The F-35, a single-engine, supersonic, all-weather multirole fighter, is renowned for its stealth characteristics, advanced sensor suite, and network-enabled warfare capabilities. It is produced in three main variants: the F-35A (conventional takeoff and landing), the F-35B (short takeoff and vertical landing), and the F-35C (carrier-based).

While the specific variant under consideration by India has not been officially disclosed, the F-35A is the most common and likely candidate. It's important to note that acquiring the F-35, often considered the most advanced fighter jet globally, might require India to also buy specific American weaponry. These weapons could include air-to-air missiles like the AIM-120 AMRAAM and AIM-9X Sidewinder, as well as air-to-ground munitions such as the Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) and Paveway series of laser-guided bombs.
 
India and F-35s?

I'll believe it only when I see it.

It's the only thing I can say about India's military after hearing about the AMCA for the first time in 2008 and now it's 2025 (17 years later), still far away from even a prototype.

After seeing the first flight of Tejas in 2001, now it's 2025 (24 years later), can only produce less than 40 units, and 70%+ of the components in those units are foreign.

Compared to a neighboring country, they are producing 150+ aircraft each year, whereas IAF/HAL/DRDO cannot produce 40 aircraft in 24 years.
 
If the Indian government is counting on HAL for delivering a "working" fifth-generation combat aircraft, then I am sorry to say, the F-35 is our only option against the Chinese J-20/J-35.
 
Well, in order to avoid the kind of issue we are facing with the Mirage 2000 fleet, a slightly larger order may be necessary.

Hear me out here:

The IAF presently has 13 Su-30MKI squadrons, 2 Rafale squadrons, 2 Tejas squadrons, 6 Jaguar squadrons, 3 Mirage 2000 squadrons, 3 MiG-29 squadrons, and 2 MiG-21 squadrons, for a total of 31. Of these, 14 squadrons are planned to be retired in the next 15 years or so, leaving 17 modern squadrons that will be retained past 2040.

Suppose we go for an additional 3 Rafale squadrons (total of 90 for the IAF) and 4 F-35 squadrons (72 jets). That immediately takes the number up to 24 modern squadrons.

Further, the Tejas Mk 1A order will add a further 11 squadrons, and the planned Tejas Mk 2 orders will add a further 7 squadrons. That takes us up to the desired 42 squadron strength.

Now, the Super Sukhoi program aims to upgrade 84 jets in the first phase. It is possible that some of the oldest jets might not be upgraded, and simply phased out in the early 2040s. Assuming that 168 Su-30MKIs are upgraded (plus the 12 new jets), that is 10 full squadrons of upgraded Su-30MKIs. The 3 squadrons that would retire would therefore have to be replaced by the three planned AMCA Mk 1 squadrons. The potential savings from those aircraft upgrades can be channeled elsewhere.

Next, we would have AMCA Mk 2 either replacing the Tejas Mk 1 (not Mk 1A) or augmenting the IAF's squadron numbers.

Of course, an increase of, say, 1 squadron in the Tejas Mk 2 fleet can lead to a reduction in further Rafale procurement from 3 to 2 squadrons (so, 72 jets for the IAF + 26 for the Navy).

To sum it up, in order to avoid logistical challenges a few decades down the line, it might be prudent to slightly increase this procurement. Get 4 F-35 squadrons and 3 more Rafale squadrons, and along with 11 Tejas Mk 1A and 7 Tejas Mk 2 squadrons, this will allow us to hit 42 squadrons by the early 2040s, right in time for the three AMCA Mk 1 squadrons to replace the three squadrons of un-upgraded Su-30MKIs.
 
Why we needed stop gap acquisition...Who's fault? It's our govt who is responsible for this...India could not complete MRFA in 20 years....AMCA project came into consideration in 2010..now it's 2025...no progress..without any backup, India left FGFA programme with Russia.....Our defence management is a joke...If Govt had done all the work correctly, today we wouldn't have needed this costly F35, but now we don't have any option...I have never seen this type of irresponsible behaviour in any country...Now, please, for God's sake, if you need F35, then sign the deal as fast as possible because the F35 order book is huge...I don't know when India will get its first jet...
 
India and F-35s?

I'll believe it only when I see it.

It's the only thing I can say about India's military after hearing about the AMCA for the first time in 2008 and now it's 2025 (17 years later), still far away from even a prototype.

After seeing the first flight of Tejas in 2001, now it's 2025 (24 years later), can only produce less than 40 units, and 70%+ of the components in those units are foreign.

Compared to a neighboring country, they are producing 150+ aircraft each year, whereas IAF/HAL/DRDO cannot produce 40 aircraft in 24 years.
63% Indigenous & growing rapidly . Some real numbers for your for your CCP sponsored Propaganda
 
India and F-35s?

I'll believe it only when I see it.

It's the only thing I can say about India's military after hearing about the AMCA for the first time in 2008 and now it's 2025 (17 years later), still far away from even a prototype.

After seeing the first flight of Tejas in 2001, now it's 2025 (24 years later), can only produce less than 40 units, and 70%+ of the components in those units are foreign.

Compared to a neighboring country, they are producing 150+ aircraft each year, whereas IAF/HAL/DRDO cannot produce 40 aircraft in 24 years.
AMCA got attention only after we pulled out from FGFA in 2018. Design phase of AMCA was completed in 2021, but we waited till the 2024 SPV model. When it failed, then only AMCA truly got attention and funds. Just look what South Korea and even Turkey did with their fighters. IAF and GOI are both culprits.
 
Its better to focus on AMCA and make it fly quickly. Waiting for F-35 till 2030-31 is pointless. AMCA would be flying and testing at that time. It would be a matter of 3-4 years after that before AMCA starts inducting into IAF.
 
Although I am never in favor of US aircraft for the IAF, this is one option for stopping the MRFA drama permanently and also satisfying all our so-called friends, import lobbies, and everyone. Two squadrons of F-35s, two squadrons of Su-57s, and two squadrons of additional Rafales, that is a total of 108 aircraft. After that, no one should speak of MRFA and only concentrate on Tejas and AMCA.
 
IAF should buy a minimum of 54 F-35s or Su-57s urgently because many countries now have 5th generation fighter planes. We can't wait for 2035 for our own AMCA. India needs 500 5th generation fighters by 2040.
 
I mean if you can acquire 36 Rafales at a mouth-watering cost, then the IAF can do the same for the F-35.
See, it's not simply about numbers alone, as the PLAAF already fields J-20s in limited numbers, but in about 5 years, with a robust aviation infrastructure in place in Tibet/Xinjiang, the Chinese can field a few squadrons of their J-20 against India.
In addition, the Chinese may as well equip the PAF with a few squadrons of the J-31 too by 2030.So, considering that the AMCA is well over a decade away (and considering HAL's own timeline), it's better for India to get its own 5th Gen bird by 2030, and unlike the Su-57, the F-35 has already proven itself in combat against Iran in Israeli service.
 
Jets will arrive 2029. Forget it, invest in AMCA. Make them work overtime on war footing. I bet even if we paid them overtime, it will still be cheaper than importing.
 
Its better to focus on AMCA and make it fly quickly. Waiting for F-35 till 2030-31 is pointless. AMCA would be flying and testing at that time. It would be a matter of 3-4 years after that before AMCA starts inducting into IAF.
AMCA MK2 will be a true 5th gen, and it won't join the IAF till 2040. We have seen this 3-4 year drama since 2001. Tejas MK1 orders placed in 2009 for 40 jets haven't been completed in 2025, what to talk about MK1A, 2, 3, AMCA MK1, MK2, or TEDBF.
 
If govt. feels that now a 5th gen jet is a must-buy, then questions should be asked to the Defense Ministry, to the PM, and to the IAF regarding their decision to abandon the 5th gen Su-57 co-development with Russia and not buying Rafale in larger numbers. Su-57 might not be as capable as the F-35, but with India-specific modifications, that would have been a real steal by the IAF! Also, a good number of Rafale could have been a solid counter-punch against the Chinese aircraft. But no, we are a nation full of false ego where our PM and IAF understand that a 4th Gen LCA, with its very limited capabilities, can win aerial battles for us, and then our engineers, who are quite great in paint and assembly jobs of jets, can produce a 5.5 gen jet in 10 years. Sometimes, I feel the "Bhikari" Pakistani establishment has a better understanding of security matters than us.
 
Although I am never in favor of US aircraft for the IAF, this is one option for stopping the MRFA drama permanently and also satisfying all our so-called friends, import lobbies, and everyone. Two squadrons of F-35s, two squadrons of Su-57s, and two squadrons of additional Rafales, that is a total of 108 aircraft. After that, no one should speak of MRFA and only concentrate on Tejas and AMCA.
Getting both the F-35 and the Su-57 isn't an option. Once (and if) we buy one, the other is essentially locked out. It is one or the other, or neither.
 
The F35 is a brilliant jet but one has to look at the technology, price, compatibility with existing jets, communication systems, type and weapons integration, maintenance, upkeep, spares, training, simulation training etc.

All of these are very important points that need to be addressed and the USA is never going to give any technology transfer, allow any Indian weapons integration, allow encrypted communication compatibility with our jets and ground operators, the USA weapons will be expensive, the spares or parts or engine issues will cost a lot but makes us heavily reliant on them and they could impose sanctions which will ground the entire jets.

One major issue is that the selling price for the F35 will have reduced to around $80m but once you include weapons and training costs etc it will cost around $100m. Another crucial issue is that the life cycle cost to maintain the stealth materials, paint and technology increases the price even more and that increases every year and even the USA has been struggling to spend so much to maintain their own jets as they have cut down on the amount of hours they can fly to save money on expenses.

If India wants to improve and increase their number of squadrons and improve their technology gap until we can produce the AMCA in sufficient numbers then India should lease about 2 squadrons for about 10 years. This will save money on the huge capital expenditure and maintenance costs that we would be forced to pay if we bought them. If the USA are unwilling to lease the jets then we could think about buying the 2 squadrons instead but it will cost us more in the long run.
 
AMCA got attention only after we pulled out from FGFA in 2018. Design phase of AMCA was completed in 2021, but we waited till the 2024 SPV model. When it failed, then only AMCA truly got attention and funds. Just look what South Korea and even Turkey did with their fighters. IAF and GOI are both culprits.
Superpower without aeroengine, flying testbed, operating system, computer language, artificial intelligence, minus all hardware used to make the computer, true stuff to be Vishwaguru.
 
One of our neighboring countries is having more than 300+ 5th generation fighter planes by 2026. Pakistan will get 5th generation fighters. Why should India wait? IAF should immediately buy a minimum of 54 F-35s or Su-57s. No other option is available.
 
I mean if you can acquire 36 Rafales at a mouth-watering cost, then the IAF can do the same for the F-35.
See, it's not simply about numbers alone, as the PLAAF already fields J-20s in limited numbers, but in about 5 years, with a robust aviation infrastructure in place in Tibet/Xinjiang, the Chinese can field a few squadrons of their J-20 against India.
In addition, the Chinese may as well equip the PAF with a few squadrons of the J-31 too by 2030.So, considering that the AMCA is well over a decade away (and considering HAL's own timeline), it's better for India to get its own 5th Gen bird by 2030, and unlike the Su-57, the F-35 has already proven itself in combat against Iran in Israeli service.
What is the use of the technically superior F-35, if the US puts covert sanctions to arm-twist Bharat?
 

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