India Signals Keen Interest in Joining GCAP 6th-Gen Fighter Jet Program, But Encounters Japanese Caution Over Russian Defence Ties

India Signals Keen Interest in Joining GCAP 6th-Gen Fighter Jet Program, But Encounters Japanese Caution Over Russian Defence Ties


India has formally expressed its desire to participate in the Global Combat Air Programme (GCAP), a significant international effort by Japan, the United Kingdom, and Italy to develop a next-generation fighter aircraft.

According to reports citing diplomatic sources in both Japan and India, the Indian government has approached Japan to discuss joining the ambitious project, which aims to deploy an advanced stealth fighter jet by 2035. The GCAP initiative, established in December 2022, represents a major collaboration between the three founding nations.

However, reports suggest Japan harbours reservations about India's potential membership, primarily due to concerns that India's long-standing defence procurement relationship with Russia could compromise sensitive technology.

The GCAP seeks to create a sixth-generation combat aircraft equipped with cutting-edge capabilities, including enhanced stealth features, artificial intelligence integration, and advanced networked operations. This new aircraft is intended to replace aging fleets within the partner nations, such as Japan's Mitsubishi F-2 fighters and the UK's Eurofighter Typhoons (as part of the Tempest project lineage absorbed into GCAP).

Given the substantial development costs, estimated to run into tens of billions of dollars, the founding members are reportedly open to exploring partnerships to share the financial load and expand the potential market for the aircraft. India's involvement could offer significant benefits, including cost-sharing and access to its expanding defence industrial base.

Nevertheless, Japanese officials appear to be weighing the strategic advantage of potentially strengthening deterrence against China against the perceived security risks of technology transfer.

Japan's cautious stance is reportedly rooted in India's historical reliance on Russian military equipment. India's armed forces operate a significant inventory of Russian-origin hardware, notably the Su-30 MKI fighter jets which form the backbone of the Indian Air Force, and the S-400 air defence missile systems.

A senior official from Japan's Ministry of Defence was quoted expressing concern about the potential for sensitive GCAP technologies, particularly in areas like stealth, avionics, and propulsion, inadvertently reaching Russia through India. Furthermore, expanding the core group raises complexities regarding information security protocols and could potentially risk delays to the project's 2035 target deployment date.

From India's perspective, joining the GCAP aligns with its strategic goals. Participation could deepen defence cooperation with Japan, the UK, and Italy, strengthening partnerships viewed as important for stability in the Indo-Pacific region, particularly concerning China's growing influence.

It also directly addresses India's urgent need to modernise its air force. The Indian Air Force is currently grappling with a depleted squadron strength (reportedly around 31 squadrons against a sanctioned requirement of 42) and is pursuing its own indigenous fifth-generation fighter, the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), which is still in the development phase. Access to GCAP's cutting-edge technology could significantly accelerate India's capabilities and complement its domestic defence development efforts.

Interestingly, the prospect of India joining the collaborative fighter project is not entirely new. Previous reports indicated that both the United Kingdom and Italy were positively inclined towards Indian participation even before the formal GCAP agreement was finalised with Japan. It is understood that the UK had officially briefed India on the program, and Italy had also extended an invitation to explore involvement.

This earlier interest reflects international recognition of India's growing aerospace industry and its strategic importance. However, Japan's reported reservations introduce a significant hurdle that will need to be addressed in any future discussions regarding India's potential role in the GCAP initiative.
 
Japan's concern is reasonable, but if we throw a big bone, then there'll be no problem, although our current priority should be our own jet engine program (recently Turkey already started a $3.5B program for their Kaan!).
 
UK and Italy only view India as a money bank to fund this project, promising and delivering are two different things that we've already experienced with FGFA and Rafale deals and regarding technology not much will help us considering our terrain and requirements but plus point could be exposure and know-how of 6th gen propulsion engine technology but spending tens ($11.25 billion) of billions on it is definitely an overkill... instead isme se 3 billion kaveri GTRE pe lagaye to 80-85 KN indigenous engine ban jaye ga
 
I feel that appropriate assurance asduage Japan since they too are aware of the growing threats emerging from China.
 
Remove Japan from program and include France and India for joint development if Japan oppose India !
 
It's true, we lack infrastructure and policing for proper vetting for spies and leaked info. If it can happen in the USA, it can easily happen in India and Indian authorities won't even know about it.

We have horny dudes willing to sacrifice national security for a few pics and vids. Pathetic.

It happens regularly! It's so bad.

Also, we have nothing to contribute. Why would they pick us? Britain and Japan can make engines and planes, Italians are really good at manufacturing tech and avionics. What do we have to offer?

R&D, I will repeat again, we need R&D.
 
UK and Italy only view India as a money bank to fund this project, promising and delivering are two different things that we've already experienced with FGFA and Rafale deals and regarding technology not much will help us considering our terrain and requirements but plus point could be exposure and know-how of 6th gen propulsion engine technology but spending tens ($11.25 billion) of billions on it is definitely an overkill... instead isme se 3 billion kaveri GTRE pe lagaye to 80-85 KN indigenous engine ban jaye ga
Money Bank! Money Bank! In all business dealings, every seller thinks and considers their customers as a money bank or source of profit. There's nothing wrong with it as it is part of commercial activities. It is just 'customers' that need better negotiating and leveraging skills. Otherwise, one can only cry and get such faulty products.
 
No need. Our 5.5th gen AMCA is more than enough. Then we can jump straight to 7th gen. Most imp is 4th and 5th gen engines which needs to be sorted by GOI asap.
 
Japan's concern is reasonable, but if we throw a big bone, then there'll be no problem, although our current priority should be our own jet engine program (recently Turkey already started a $3.5B program for their Kaan!).
Very true, Japan’s concern is very alarming especially if some lowly or higher level staff get sensitive info from the GCAP project and sell it to the Russian ORCs… that would be hilarious.
 
I think India should be kept at arms length away from the project. UK, Japan and Italy should do the same to the usa, keep both of them at a very long arms length since both oddly seem to like Russia (the Putin regime)
 
It's true, we lack infrastructure and policing for proper vetting for spies and leaked info. If it can happen in the USA, it can easily happen in India and Indian authorities won't even know about it.

We have horny dudes willing to sacrifice national security for a few pics and vids. Pathetic.

It happens regularly! It's so bad.

Also, we have nothing to contribute. Why would they pick us? Britain and Japan can make engines and planes, Italians are really good at manufacturing tech and avionics. What do we have to offer?

R&D, I will repeat again, we need R&D.
That’s not really true. Our private sector companies have a lot of talent, knowledge and skills. The only problem is that they are not willing to invest their own money on key projects like jets, tanks, engines etc.

It was only after the private sector received funding for R&D for the WHAP, light tank, artillery etc from the government that they ‘magically’ found the talented, educated and skilled people to develop it when in fact they already employed those people anyway.
 
Japanese are kinda right to doubt India as India enjoys close military ties with Russia even today.
 
That’s not really true. Our private sector companies have a lot of talent, knowledge and skills. The only problem is that they are not willing to invest their own money on key projects like jets, tanks, engines etc.

It was only after the private sector received funding for R&D for the WHAP, light tank, artillery etc from the government that they ‘magically’ found the talented, educated and skilled people to develop it when in fact they already employed those people anyway.
When GoB doesn't have any hesitation to throw money into the gutter by funding DPSUs for R&D who take decades to realise a product beyond the optimal time (remember Tejas is being designed when fifth gen fighters are deployed by adversaries), why can't GoB fund private sector companies to do the same? This will avoid cost overruns.
 
When GoB doesn't have any hesitation to throw money into the gutter by funding DPSUs for R&D who take decades to realise a product beyond the optimal time (remember Tejas is being designed when fifth gen fighters are deployed by adversaries), why can't GoB fund private sector companies to do the same? This will avoid cost overruns.
I’m not saying that we shouldn’t provide money to the private sector but those companies can also contribute much more of their own profits/money into researching advanced technology or at least designing things on paper.

The DPSU companies aren’t good at designing and innovating advanced technology but they can manufacture on a large scale once they have been taught on how to do it.
 
No need. Our 5.5th gen AMCA is more than enough. Then we can jump straight to 7th gen. Most imp is 4th and 5th gen engines which needs to be sorted by GOI asap.
First of all, it's 5th gen not 5.5 gen and will take the next decade too. Till then, China will develop the 7th gen, so better join GCAP.
 
No need. Our 5.5th gen AMCA is more than enough. Then we can jump straight to 7th gen. Most imp is 4th and 5th gen engines which needs to be sorted by GOI asap.
It will take another 30-40 years for the government to approve the jet and for R&D. Also, Indian companies don't have that much experience to develop a highly advanced jet as compared to the companies involved in GCAP. It's better to opt for some collaborative program.
 
India doesn’t want to join the Tempest program at all. Even if they did join then India wouldn’t get 100% of the technology or manufacture it entirely in India with Indian raw materials. All they want is more money but that’s it because if we received 100% of everything then we could manufacture the jet at a much lower price than all of those countries.

Also Japan needs to disassociate its perceived threat from Russia and focus more on building a strong defence and economy against China. Also any military technology they share with India wouldn’t be passed on to Russia as we can separate the technology IPR from the west, Israel, France and Russia very successfully as well.
 
It's true, we lack infrastructure and policing for proper vetting for spies and leaked info. If it can happen in the USA, it can easily happen in India and Indian authorities won't even know about it.

We have horny dudes willing to sacrifice national security for a few pics and vids. Pathetic.

It happens regularly! It's so bad.

Also, we have nothing to contribute. Why would they pick us? Britain and Japan can make engines and planes, Italians are really good at manufacturing tech and avionics. What do we have to offer?

R&D, I will repeat again, we need R&D.
We have cheaper engineering labour at almost the same levels of capability. Even with new computers to aid in design, you will still need a lot of man hours in iterations to continuously refine designs to the point it becomes a feasible solution for all involved nations, and there will be variants (naval versions, trainers, unmanned, EW). And India can bring a lot of it (with private and public sector firms). Post production the same engineering talent can be used to manufacture at scale for far cheaper. Consider it skilled labour cost arbitrage.
 
India doesn’t want to join the Tempest program at all. Even if they did join then India wouldn’t get 100% of the technology or manufacture it entirely in India with Indian raw materials. All they want is more money but that’s it because if we received 100% of everything then we could manufacture the jet at a much lower price than all of those countries.

Also Japan needs to disassociate its perceived threat from Russia and focus more on building a strong defence and economy against China. Also any military technology they share with India wouldn’t be passed on to Russia as we can separate the technology IPR from the west, Israel, France and Russia very successfully as well.
What will India's contribution be? How many of you have bought screwdrivers that were 'Made in India'? The most common tools found in Indian households are made in China. It's a fact! India has to develop its metallurgical industry towards the manufacture of high-quality tools and parts, be it for heavy machinery, tooling, precision engineering tools, aero and automotive engines, etc. We need to concentrate on quality like Germany and Japan and build a reputation as a source country for dependable, durable, and quality manufacturing. Then we will have something to offer.
 
Japan is not a trustworthy partner when it comes to military technical cooperation.

The ShinMaywa US-2 deal itself couldn't go through.
 
I mean, if India wants to gain some experience from it then fine, but I don't think we have much to contribute other than money and maybe radar.
 
UK and Italy only view India as a money bank to fund this project, promising and delivering are two different things that we've already experienced with FGFA and Rafale deals and regarding technology not much will help us considering our terrain and requirements but plus point could be exposure and know-how of 6th gen propulsion engine technology but spending tens ($11.25 billion) of billions on it is definitely an overkill... instead isme se 3 billion kaveri GTRE pe lagaye to 80-85 KN indigenous engine ban jaye ga
Yes it’s a money pit and we won’t get much Tech in return, if at all anything, it is worth spending that money in AMCA.
 
India should focus on 5th generation AMCAthat has MTOW 25ton and 110kN engine for it.
After it we can have our own 6th generation stealth fighter that has better stealth without tail and fin and a 150kN engine that had stealth thrust vectoring nozzle.MTOW 40ton..
 

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