L&T Proposes Fully Indigenous 110kN Engine Development for Tejas Mk2 and AMCA, Seeks Merit-based Approach Over 'L1 Syndrome' for Success

L&T Proposes Fully Indigenous 110kN Engine Development for Tejas Mk2 and AMCA, Seeks Merit-based Approach Over 'L1 Syndrome' for Success


Leading Indian engineering and defence conglomerate Larsen & Toubro (L&T) has outlined a significant proposal for the domestic development of a powerful 110 kilonewton (kN) thrust jet engine.

Jayant Damodar Patil, the head of L&T's aerospace and defence division, stated that L&T, potentially in collaboration with other private Indian firms, has the capability to create this engine, crucial for powering India's future fighter aircraft like the Tejas Mk2 and the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

Mr. Patil emphasised that success hinges on the government adopting a procurement strategy that values technical capability and innovation above simply selecting the lowest bidder – a practice often referred to as the "L1 syndrome".

He suggested that lessons learned from the earlier Kaveri engine project could provide a valuable foundation for this new initiative.

The Kaveri engine, initiated in the 1980s by the Defence Research and Development Organisation's (DRDO) Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE), aimed to power the indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA). However, after significant investment (estimated over ₹2,000 crore, or about $240 million) and decades of work, the project faced setbacks.

It achieved only 75-80kN of thrust, falling short of the 90kN needed for the Tejas Mk1, and encountered issues with afterburners and weight. Consequently, India chose General Electric's F404 engines for the Tejas Mk1 fleet.

Despite these challenges, Mr. Patil believes the Kaveri program built essential expertise in areas like metallurgy and compressor design. "The Kaveri has provided a base to develop a new engine entirely in the country," he remarked.

The proposed 110kN engine is specifically targeted for the upcoming Tejas Mk2, a more advanced version of the LCA, and the ambitious twin-engine AMCA stealth fighter program, both central to the Indian Air Force's future fleet structure.

Developing such an engine requires mastering advanced technologies like single-crystal turbine blades and sophisticated afterburners. India has gained some experience in these fields through the development of the Kaveri's non-afterburning ('dry') variant, which is now slated to power unmanned systems like the Ghatak UCAV (Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicle).

To overcome the hurdles faced by the state-run GTRE working largely in isolation on the Kaveri, Mr. Patil advocates for a consortium model. This could involve major private players like Mahindra Aerospace, Tata Advanced Systems, and Godrej Aerospace pooling their respective expertise and resources.

He stressed that government backing focused on merit, rather than just the lowest cost, is essential to attract private sector talent and investment for such a complex undertaking. "If the government backs merit over L1... a pool of talent can be brought together," Patil stated, suggesting this approach could foster faster innovation compared to the previous state-led model.

However significant challenges remain. Industry experts estimate that developing a new 110kN engine could require investments between ₹15,000 to ₹20,000 crore ($1.8 to $2.4 billion) over a 10-15 year period. Furthermore, India needs to advance its capabilities in critical 'hot section' engine technologies and address a potential shortage of specialised engineers.

While a consortium could mitigate some risks, sustained government commitment and potentially strategic foreign partnerships for specific technologies – recalling past discussions like the potential Kaveri-Safran collaboration – might still be necessary.

The Indian government's response to L&T's specific proposal is awaited. However, the initiative aligns well with the national 'Atmanirbhar Bharat' (Self-Reliant India) policy, which strongly emphasizes indigenous manufacturing, particularly in the defence sector. The DRDO itself is reportedly pursuing advanced aero-engine development, indicating governmental focus in this area.

If supported, L&T believes its proposal, leveraging its existing facilities and experience, could potentially lead to an engine prototype around 2035, fitting the timeline for the AMCA program and marking a major step towards self-sufficiency in critical defence technology.
 
Wow, apart from 3 pvt players mentioned, Bharat Forge, PTC Inds too can contribute in mfg critical components. That's what I always say, GTRE needs help in the hot core section that means 20 to 25% of the engine where lightweight material which can withstand high temp is needed. Earlier Bharat was not having a strong industrial base unlike Japan, South Korea, Sweden, Turkey or any other NATO nation. Even then these countries failed to develop an aero-engine on its own. But on the other hand, despite having peanuts of funds & lack of industrial development & test facilities, GTRE achieved 75 kN thrust. That's a good work done. Hope in the upcoming AMCA engine, pvt players from Bharat will contribute in building a contemporary aero-engine.
 
The key to success lies in putting this project under PMO and thus getting rid of the babydoll of defence ministry. If it is developed on a war footing then Indian problems are nearly solved as Tejas MK2, ORCA, as well as AMCA can fly with it. Develop some good institutions to develop CMC technology and if TET is possible to be raised then we can develop a 5th generation engine.
 
India has very smart people. Unfortunately most are working in the west. Create a atmosphere where the best get the promotions and get paid at the same rate as in the west. Otherwise, they will leave. Involve and fund the Universities, most new technologies are created in labs by PHD students.

India needs multiple companies working on the same outcome. Billions do need to be spent, but on dozens of companies all working on different aspects of a engine. I am talking about metallurgy, designs etc. I am sure others know more than me. You need to create a competition amongst many companies all working on different parts of the engine. I don't think it is realistic for one company to be able to do all of this.

Start paying people big bonuses for achievements. Babu culture is killing India. The best Indians can go anywhere in the world and work for the best companies in the world with big paychecks. Don't blame them, they are just doing the best for their family and their future generations.

India need to change. Election politics is killing the country and the best will do anything to get out.
 
He is very much right, but since the tech is entirely new, even the private sector would need critical help from outside.
 
Indeed, such projects of national importance should be freed from this straitjacket of L1 procedure.
 
Just to put things in perspective. All that has been achieved is solely the result of 2nd tier science and engineering graduates who could not get a job in the high paying private sector, or did not wish to move abroad. And they still achieved a lot of things despite having babus as their managers. Now, imagine if you can get absolute top tier engineers and scientists from IIT and super efficient managerial cadre to work together, the development will be superlative too. This is not rocket science. Or is it?
 
The suggestion is very good and right . The L1 syndrome makes govt purchases less attractive because low quality items csn only reach the table. It’s high time that we abandon that practice. The idea has come from L&T and we know the capabilities, thanks to Zorowar tsnks. Without spending sizeable amount on the development of the engine , no product will come out. The other firms mentioned are also very efficient,reliable and has lot of reliability and good will . This will fit into Atmanirbhar also. Expect a positive outcome 🙏🙏
 
Just to put things in perspective. All that has been achieved is solely the result of 2nd tier science and engineering graduates who could not get a job in the high paying private sector, or did not wish to move abroad. And they still achieved a lot of things despite having babus as their managers. Now, imagine if you can get absolute top tier engineers and scientists from IIT and super efficient managerial cadre to work together, the development will be superlative too. This is not rocket science. Or is it?
Another thing is to give protection to those top scientists so they do not become prey of foreign intel agencies.
 
Indian large private companies are manufacturing partners, not R&D partners. That is why the companies like L&T and others manufacture weapons in partnership with foreign OEM. Until these companies do not invest in R&D, DRDO will continue to have monopoly on Indian defense products.
 
Wow finally private players coming in front. Get them in. L&T got excellent track record give them chance. This will add new dimensions to aviation industry. And other private companies will be encouraged to join.
 
WOW!! If it happens my dream come true, always advocated a private PSU joint effort alongwith the academia. Hope the so called "atmanirbhar Bharat" government will green light it instead of endlessly begging foreign OEMs for the aero engine tech.
 
Indian large private companies are manufacturing partners, not R&D partners. That is why the companies like L&T and others manufacture weapons in partnership with foreign OEM. Until these companies do not invest in R&D, DRDO will continue to have monopoly on Indian defense products.
GOB funds R&D for DPSUs. Why not fund the efficient private sector than dunding inefficient DPSUs & government labs?
 
Another thing is to give protection to those top scientists so they do not become prey of foreign intel agencies.
For some reason, Indians are always getting honey trapped. A product of a repressed society.
 
Just to put things in perspective. All that has been achieved is solely the result of 2nd tier science and engineering graduates who could not get a job in the high paying private sector, or did not wish to move abroad. And they still achieved a lot of things despite having babus as their managers. Now, imagine if you can get absolute top tier engineers and scientists from IIT and super efficient managerial cadre to work together, the development will be superlative too. This is not rocket science. Or is it?
This is BS logic. The same argument can be applied to ISRO. Yet they achieved. I've seen IITs suck and 2nd tier excel. In the workplace, your educational background plays little to no role. The same DRDO has achieved great feats in the missile tech. So don't blame it on the academic background.
 
Indian large private companies are manufacturing partners, not R&D partners. That is why the companies like L&T and others manufacture weapons in partnership with foreign OEM. Until these companies do not invest in R&D, DRDO will continue to have monopoly on Indian defense products.
Even GE and P&W are funded by US Govt for new Engine’s R&D.. the cost runs in Billions.. 😒
 
It always comes down to the question of national will. When we work as a team, instead of in silos, we as a nation can achieve a lot more than any other country in the world. This was amply demonstrated during Covid. Time to bring this complicated jet engine effort under PMO with both private and public players.
 
Even GE and P&W are funded by US Govt for new Engine’s R&D.. the cost runs in Billions.. 😒
Don't compare the US's $800B budget to India's $70B budget. India needs new weapons where most of the money is spent. Also, if large private companies need to operate in this field, they need to invest their money in R&D just like SSS defence did for its rifles or any other major consumable goods manufacturers did for their products.
 
GOB funds R&D for DPSUs. Why not fund the efficient private sector than dunding inefficient DPSUs & government labs?
In politics, government cannot be seen investing hundreds of crores in private companies, as it will lead to controversy like the Dassault Reliance Rafale deal. But it invests in DPSUs since these are part of the government itself and generate employment, good for election campaign promises. So large Indian companies must operate like SSS defence and invest in their own R&D.
 
Don't compare the US's $800B budget to India's $70B budget. India needs new weapons where most of the money is spent. Also, if large private companies need to operate in this field, they need to invest their money in R&D just like SSS defence did for its rifles or any other major consumable goods manufacturers did for their products.
There is a difference between making a rifle and making a jet engine..
 
If these private companies can get their act together and develop a clear plan on who designs, develops and manufactures what then this will just remain a dream. While each company might have their own expertise in metal, missiles, forging, manufacturing or CAD designing something it’s very difficult to use all of their expertise to develop a jet engine.

The best engine that we need to develop is the AMCA engine with a foreign partner. This will teach us how to design, develop and manufacture an advanced stealth engine 100% indigenously. We can even use this engine for Tejas MK1A, MK2, TEDBF and even for the Sukhoi jets after some modifications. After we learn about all of these features and education then in future we will be able to develop our own indigenous jet engines in future.
 
GOI should come forward with ₹20,000/- over the next 5 years, that is ₹4,000/- annually. It is not much to ask for an indigenously developed 110 to 130 kN engine. The government should be given a 15 percent stake in the new venture and 85% to private players. DRDO and others can work out their share of the 85% based on skills and capabilities brought by each entity. But DRDO should not be involved in the developmental process; let other private players work it out.
 
GOB funds R&D for DPSUs. Why not fund the efficient private sector than dunding inefficient DPSUs & government labs?
Why should Indian taxpayers fund Private Companies. They should fund themselves as they are keeping any profit.
 

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