Pakistan Presses China and North Korea for Nuclear Ballistic Missile Submarine to Counter Indian Naval Might, Challenging Non-Proliferation Norms

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The strategic balance of power in the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) is facing a potential shift as Pakistan intensifies its efforts to acquire a nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine (SSBN), a move that could significantly escalate regional tensions and challenge established international non-proliferation norms. This development follows India's recent launch of its third SSBN earlier this year, marking a significant step in its own nuclear deterrence capabilities.

Driven by the need to establish a credible second-strike nuclear capability, mirroring India's strategic posture, Pakistan has been actively engaging with China, its long-standing ally, to procure an SSBN. Islamabad's demands are ambitious: not only does it seek a "friendly price," but it also insists that the submarine be operated by a Pakistani crew and that operational costs be covered by China.

China, however, finds itself in a precarious position. Transferring or leasing an SSBN to Pakistan would directly contravene its own stated non-proliferation policies and violate international commitments, specifically the principles outlined in the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons (NPT), of which China is a signatory. The NPT aims to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons and weapons technology, and such a transfer could be interpreted as a direct violation.

As an alternative, China has offered Pakistan eight Hangor-class conventional submarines, capable of carrying tactical nuclear warheads on sub-sonic cruise missiles. However, the Pakistani Navy remains unsatisfied, seeking the greater deterrent power afforded by submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBMs). The current Hangor-class submarines are not equipped with the Vertical Launch Systems (VLS) necessary to deploy SLBMs, prompting Pakistan to demand either modifications to incorporate VLS or the transfer of older Chinese SSBNs like the Type 092 (Xia-class).

The Type 092, a first-generation SSBN, was the first nuclear-powered submarine designed and built in Asia but is considered obsolete compared to China's more advanced Type 094 (Jin-class) SSBNs. Publicly available information indicates the sole Type 092 has likely been significantly modified or is perhaps even decommissioned, raising questions about its operational viability. The People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) never considered the Type 092 a success.

China's reluctance is understandable. While Beijing seeks to expand its influence in the IOR and bolster its strategic partnership with Islamabad, supporting Pakistan's nuclear submarine ambitions could severely damage its international standing, jeopardize relations with other global powers, and set a dangerous precedent in the global nuclear order. It is also likely that the United States and India would apply pressure to dissuade Beijing from acceding to Islamabad's request.

Further complicating the situation, Pakistan has shown interest in North Korean SLBM technology. This suggests a broader Pakistani strategy to diversify its sources of military technology and potentially circumvent the stricter controls imposed by China or international bodies.

North Korea, known for its own nuclear and missile programs, operates outside of the NPT framework, potentially making it a more willing partner for Pakistan's nuclear ambitions. While North Korea has made significant progress in developing SLBMs, as evidenced by the Pukkuksong series, it primarily fields diesel-electric ballistic missile submarines (SSBs), notably the Sinpo-class.

Although, in September 2023, North Korea revealed its first nuclear attack submarine, the Hero Kim Kun Ok, described as being capable of carrying tactical nuclear weapons. Questions remain about the sub's capabilities and whether it carries VLS for SLBMs.

The current scenario presents a complex challenge for China, requiring it to carefully balance its strategic interests with its international obligations and the potential repercussions of its actions. The outcome of these negotiations could have far-reaching consequences for the security dynamics of the IOR and the global non-proliferation regime.

Whether Pakistan succeeds in its quest for an SSBN remains to be seen, but its pursuit highlights the evolving nature of nuclear deterrence and the increasing complexity of regional security in the 21st century.
 
SSBN to be given at 'friendly prices' (that is, as bheek) and to be operated by a Bhikaristani crew with China covering operational costs?

Sounds like a brilliant opportunity for China to lose a SSBN. These Bhikaristani idiots will do whatever it takes for them to achieve their so-called 'deterrence' against India, but will do nothing to help their people and economy.

For all those who still believe in the "Aman ki Asha" nonsense, there is no talking to such suicidal imbeciles.
 
Things are heating up, it is high time for the folks to wakeup, Chinese will definitely give SSBN SUBS to Pakistan.
 
CCP's final terms will probably be "we'll let you buy them on credit (payment due at our convenience) and you must host PLAN crews at your expense (we're not giving that on credit) until those crews decide that yours are fit to actually operate the sub; btw, language of instruction and labelling on subs will be Mandarin only".

Meaning, we'd better be watchful for bioluminescence within Arabian Sea, and assume (unless proven ours) that it's PLAN sub relabelled as PNS sub.
 
Imagine if India's economy was like Pakistan and Pakistan having Economic might like India have now. Then Pakistan would keep India into Nightmares 24/7. Bombard all new and about to launch worships through agents or covert operations. Prevent India any futher procurement of technologies etc etc. while India's bulb lightens only after heavy lesson or seeing Pakistan or China making adding new capabilities
 
CCP's final terms will probably be "we'll let you buy them on credit (payment due at our convenience) and you must host PLAN crews at your expense (we're not giving that on credit) until those crews decide that yours are fit to actually operate the sub; btw, language of instruction and labelling on subs will be Mandarin only".

Meaning, we'd better be watchful for bioluminescence within Arabian Sea, and assume (unless proven ours) that it's PLAN sub relabelled as PNS sub.
And those will not be qualified enough for years. It took India the better part of two decades to get a number of crews trained for full-spectrum nuclear submarine operations. Even Australian crews have already started training when their first SSN is atleast a decade away.
 
China will do it eventually and cross a red line for Bharat!

Question is what are we doing to do about it. in my opinion we should play offense - 1. Balkanize Pakistan, 2. Ensure Gwadar and CPAC are hurt badly, 3. Start selling some Defensive weapons to Taiwan and prepare to really escalate if China gives Pakistan nuclear propulsion!

And be upfront with China that we will act in our national interest if they give this to a Pakistan!
 
How does this nasty inbred neighbor pay for it when the whole country is in financial fallout? Their currency devalued 30% in a day, and they have a massive shortage of essentials all the while battling internal strife, terrorism, and a separatist agenda in all provinces. It just beats logic.
 
Things are heating up, it is high time for the folks to wakeup, Chinese will definitely give SSBN SUBS to Pakistan.
They won't. SSBNs are a critical asset to China, and they don't have enough of those as it is. China wants 10-12 SSBNs, and they have six, plus the ancient Type 092 that just floats around.

China giving a SSBN to anyone would be too large of a break of non-proliferation regimes, and the US may very conveniently use that as an excuse to base a few SSNs (or possibly even SSBNs) in East Asia or Australia.

Heck, China's Arab friends would be disturbed by such a move, which would deter China further still.

What is far more likely is that China will do what the USSR did: Lease out an old SSN or two. China has the three aging Type 091 SSNs (commissioned between 1984 and 1992). Those may get leased to Bhikaristan.
 
They won't. SSBNs are a critical asset to China, and they don't have enough of those as it is. China wants 10-12 SSBNs, and they have six, plus the ancient Type 092 that just floats around.
They will let Pakistan make a cheaper version of SSBN just like J17, also Pakistan might show the unrest in both Afghan and Indian border and Bangladesh and ask for more F16’s.
 
They will let Pakistan make a cheaper version of SSBN just like J17, also Pakistan might show the unrest in both Afghan and Indian border and Bangladesh and ask for more F16’s.
China won't give latest SSN to Pakistan. The old Chinese SSNs were so noisy even Japanese civilian ships tracked it once. Not really a threat. Only advanced Chinese SSN is latest type 93b with pump jet which China will give to Pakistan in like 30 years after it becomes obsolete. By then Indian Navy will be even more advanced and can easily deter it.
 
Pakistan will never dare to fire a single missile. The army and Pakistan govt is fooling the public that india is a threat. It is the only means to siphon off funds at the cost of General public. Pakistan govt and their top milltary Generals never ever care for the public. arising national security threat sentiments are mere eyewash. Therefore india should never worry of what Pakistan buy or produce. It should concentrate on development of the economy and increasing the purchasing power of the people. by avoiding Pakistan india should send 90% of its milltary to protect from Chinese aggression.
 
I don't know what have Pak sold to Chinese but with this pace i don't think they will survive for next few years as I don't think they have enough money to paint those 5th generation aircrafts let alone put fuel on these warships they are purchasing
 
SSBNs are hyper expensive. Pakistan is already priced to failure, at best just being able to carry on but not do any better.

F it. Let them Cold War themselves and fail. Add a rise in Baloch insurgency and Afghanistan/TTP rejecting the Durand Line and the Pakistan problem may dwindle to more of a stateless goths problem by next century. Just take out the nukes in case of failure.
 
China won't give latest SSN to Pakistan. The old Chinese SSNs were so noisy even Japanese civilian ships tracked it once. Not really a threat. Only advanced Chinese SSN is latest type 93b with pump jet which China will give to Pakistan in like 30 years after it becomes obsolete. By then Indian Navy will be even more advanced and can easily deter it.
something is better to scare us, when it comes to N, they are a failed State, nobody knows what will happen there.
 
something is better to scare us, when it comes to N, they are a failed State, nobody knows what will happen there.
China won't give Pak nuclear subs. First of all old Chinese subs have low uranium enrichment rate which means they need to be refuelled more often. The refuelling facilities for nuclear subs are very large and cost a lot of money which Pakistan can ill afford. Not to mention the facilities for removing and maintaining warheads of SLBM.
 
China has no dilemma as it has no commitments - everything is on paper only. The real issue China will face is if it decides to equip Pakistan with N- subs and missiles to go with them, then the biggest threat Pak navy will pose not only to India but to Israel. Pakistan flaunts itself as the champion of Islam and has not recognised Israel, so if it acquires N capability with N subs, it could at least potentially threaten the existence of Israel and that will not go down without a fight. Israel will never allow Pakistan to acquire tis capability and if China helps them the wrath o Israel will extend to them as well. Israel is not like India sits on the fence- both China and Pakis now that
 
China has no dilemma as it has no commitments - everything is on paper only. The real issue China will face is if it decides to equip Pakistan with N- subs and missiles to go with them, then the biggest threat Pak navy will pose not only to India but to Israel. Pakistan flaunts itself as the champion of Islam and has not recognised Israel, so if it acquires N capability with N subs, it could at least potentially threaten the existence of Israel and that will not go down without a fight. Israel will never allow Pakistan to acquire tis capability and if China helps them the wrath o Israel will extend to them as well. Israel is not like India sits on the fence- both China and Pakis now that
Lol isreali only fight women and children it doesn't have guts to challenge both china is not something to set still when USA greatest ally threaten them and for Russia north Korea china isreali is a USA base who wants to control middle east that why houthis and hazebollah has Russia and china weapon and not recognize as the terrorist organizations
 
They will let Pakistan make a cheaper version of SSBN just like J17, also Pakistan might show the unrest in both Afghan and Indian border and Bangladesh and ask for more F16’s.
There is no 'cheaper version' of an SSBN. An SSBN costs a ridiculous amount of money regardless of the size. The only ostensible saving you get is with a smaller SSBN like Arihant, but even she is very expensive.

Moreover, Bhikaristan does not have the skill needed in its shipyards to build an SSBN. They are only now starting on corvettes and SSKs (both under license). Can you imagine someone like MDL trying to build an SSBN in the 1980s? We couldn't refit a damned SSK back in those days.

Brazil, with its inexperienced shipyards, is facing a time period of upwards of one and a half decades to build an SSN themselves. Oh, and this is a shipyard that has actually built frigates and corvettes in the past, and has been refitting ships for about a century now.
 

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