Russia's Su-57E Offer to India Includes Complete Customization with Indigenous Systems and Integration, Paralleling Development with AMCA Project

Russia's Su-57E Offer to India Includes Complete Customization with Indigenous Systems and Integration, Paralleling Development with AMCA Project


At the Aero India 2025 exposition, Russia has presented India with a detailed proposal for the domestic production of the Su-57E, the export version of Russia's fifth-generation stealth fighter.

This offer, communicated by Russia's state defence export agency, Rosoboronexport, and the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), features a complete Transfer of Technology (ToT). This would grant India the capability to tailor the aircraft with domestically produced systems and subsystems.

A senior official highlighted during discussions that this proposal positions the Su-57E as a possible key element in India's defence modernization efforts. It also aligns with India's "Make in India" initiative by facilitating local manufacturing and fostering technological partnerships.

The Russian proposal includes the potential for local manufacturing of the Su-57E in India, possibly at the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) facility in Nashik, which previously handled production of the Su-30MKI.

This offer coincides with India's ongoing development of its own indigenous fifth-generation fighter, the AMCA. The AMCA is currently in the design phase, with production not anticipated until 2034-35. The Su-57E is being presented as a viable interim solution to address India's immediate fighter capability needs, while also potentially contributing technological advancements that could benefit the AMCA program.

A crucial element of the Russian offer is the comprehensive ToT, empowering India to adapt the Su-57E to its specific operational needs. Official stressed that the ToT would allow India to incorporate indigenous systems and subsystems, mirroring the approach adopted for the AMCA. This level of adaptability represents a considerable shift from conventional defence agreements, where foreign vendors frequently restrict modifications.

When questioned about India's ability to substitute Russian systems with domestically developed alternatives, the official confirmed Russia's willingness to accommodate further customization, although the precise scope of such alterations would necessitate in-depth negotiations.

"The ToT offer will enable India to customize the aircraft, potentially incorporating Indian-made systems and sub-components," the official stated. "Further discussions will be required to determine the specific modifications India desires, but Russia is receptive to such changes."

This openness to customization is a deliberate strategic approach by Russia to allay India's concerns regarding technological dependence and to ensure the Su-57E aligns with India's objectives of achieving self-reliance.

Likely areas for Indian customization could encompass avionics, electronic warfare systems, and weaponry. This would allow leveraging systems already in development for the AMCA, such as indigenous Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radars, mission computers, and precision-guided munitions. Integrating these indigenous technologies not only enhances the Su-57E's capabilities but also contributes significantly to the growth of India's domestic defence industry.

The engine powering the Su-57E is a vital component of the proposal, directly influencing the aircraft's performance, stealth characteristics, and operational effectiveness.

The official confirmed that the engine currently included in the offer is the AL-41F-1S (also referred to as Izdeliye 117S). This is a well-established afterburning turbofan engine that powers the initial production series of the Su-57. The AL-41F-1S provides a dry thrust of 9 tonnes and an afterburning thrust of 14.5 tonnes, enabling the aircraft to reach supersonic speeds and providing enhanced maneuverability.

Regarding the more advanced AL-51 (Izdeliye 30) engine, specifically designed for the Su-57 and offering improved performance, including supercruise capability (maintaining supersonic speed without using afterburners), the official indicated that this engine remains in the testing phase and has not yet entered mass production.

"The AL-51 may not be available immediately, but it could be offered at a later stage once its development is complete and it is ready for production," the official explained.

The AL-51, boasting a higher thrust rating (11 tonnes dry and 17.5 tonnes with afterburner) and improved stealth features, such as serrated exhaust nozzles to minimize infrared and radar signatures, constitutes a substantial improvement over the AL-41F-1S.

Its eventual integration into the Su-57E could significantly bolster the aircraft's attractiveness, bringing it closer to meeting India's long-term requirements for a cutting-edge fifth-generation fighter.

The development of the AL-51 engine is being closely watched by defence analysts, as it represents a key step in Russia's efforts to field a truly fifth-generation fighter aircraft.
 
Su-57 should only if it is offered with AL-51 & not with AL-41F-1S. But Russia has given autonomy for mission computer, GaN-based AESA radar, avionics, E/W, weapons. There is almost a couple of years time to purchase fighters under MRFA. By that time, if Russia develops AL-51 & the IAF is satisfied, then only Russia will get the order.
 
Making 114 Su-57s in India by a private partner (not HAL) is a far better offer because we would also be integrating the GaN radar on it. We would be able to integrate our own missiles. No strings attached.

Buying F-35s would be a damn blunder 😡😡 and, of course, a logistics nightmare. I hope sense prevails and our government doesn’t fall into geopolitical pressure.

Let the USA have its way in other things. Buy transport aircraft, drones, oil and gas, or whatever, but not aircraft 🙂
 
Making 114 Su-57s in India by a private partner (not HAL) is a far better offer because we would also be integrating the GaN radar on it. We would be able to integrate our own missiles. No strings attached.

Buying F-35s would be a damn blunder 😡😡 and, of course, a logistics nightmare. I hope sense prevails and our government doesn’t fall into geopolitical pressure.

Let the USA have its way in other things. Buy transport aircraft, drones, oil and gas, or whatever, but not aircraft 🙂
Agree with you, but AL-51 engine is not yet ready. It has to do replacement in future. There is no sense in buying US fighter jet. Autonomy is important. Super Sukhoi is a great example.
 
Agree with you, but AL-51 engine is not yet ready. It has to do replacement in future. There is no sense in buying US fighter jet. Autonomy is important. Super Sukhoi is a great example.
This year certification will be completed, and it goes into production. If it's bought, then it will be arriving with the AL51 engine only from the beginning.
 
Russia doesn't keep its word...India has manufactured more than 200 Sukhois...What % of technology has Russia given? ...Now take Brahmos...till date, Brahmos' Ramjet engine is coming from Russia...No country will give you 100% TOT...India has enough Russian junk...we don't need it anymore...Russia always used India and now is showing that it will give you everything...I am not saying the USA is very good...but India needs the US...US market...India cannot afford losing the US market...look at it as a geopolitical scenario...SU57 is not at all a true 5th gen jet...It also has Chinese components and nowadays Russia is too much influenced by China...India has to align with the West...
 
Making 114 Su-57s in India by a private partner (not HAL) is a far better offer because we would also be integrating the GaN radar on it. We would be able to integrate our own missiles. No strings attached.

Buying F-35s would be a damn blunder 😡😡 and, of course, a logistics nightmare. I hope sense prevails and our government doesn’t fall into geopolitical pressure.

Let the USA have its way in other things. Buy transport aircraft, drones, oil and gas, or whatever, but not aircraft 🙂
No private company will touch Russian defense aircraft production with a barge pole (not even Adani). A DPSU like HAL will have to be roped in. HAL will learn how to assemble it, just like they have learned for the Su-30MKI or MiG-21. That will not have any significant impact on our learning. We will not learn engine technology or sensor technology. The only positive thing is that Russia will allow us to integrate our missiles with the Su-57E. But that is the reason we are saying that the India-US G2G F-35 deal should be modeled based on the US-Israel deal where the US agreed to allow Israel to integrate their missiles with the F-35.
 
Everyone is ready but the Indian govt. is not ready. 🤣🤣 Still thinking & thinking & thinking. No engine deal signed yet! Mark my word, no deal will be signed till China & Pak attack us!! Just pray to Bhagwan to save us!
 
Su-57 should only if it is offered with AL-51 & not with AL-41F-1S. But Russia has given autonomy for mission computer, GaN-based AESA radar, avionics, E/W, weapons. There is almost a couple of years time to purchase fighters under MRFA. By that time, if Russia develops AL-51 & the IAF is satisfied, then only Russia will get the order.
Doubtful if they're willing to share tech for AL-51, though. Why would any sane country share their best propulsion tech?

I'm still open to the 177S deal, so that engines and other components can be built here instead of waiting for engines, as is evident with the GE engines for the Tejas circus.
 
The big battle is between INSTC and IMEC. Turkey is a member of INSTC. US is doing everything to kill off INSTC. Surely they will not let Turkey have the F35.
 
What more can we ask for? India, what more do you want? This is an extraordinary offer at a crucial time of changing geopolitics of the world. We can be in the camp where we truly belong, we can have complete ToT, we can pay in Rupees, we can enter commercial aircraft manufacture too. We can customize the fighter jet to our needs, which we are good at, and this is our second chance as we walked out of FGFA development, with no backup plan and after investing more than a billion dollars.
 
No private company will touch Russian defense aircraft production with a barge pole (not even Adani). A DPSU like HAL will have to be roped in. HAL will learn how to assemble it, just like they have learned for the Su-30MKI or MiG-21. That will not have any significant impact on our learning. We will not learn engine technology or sensor technology. The only positive thing is that Russia will allow us to integrate our missiles with the Su-57E. But that is the reason we are saying that the India-US G2G F-35 deal should be modeled based on the US-Israel deal where the US agreed to allow Israel to integrate their missiles with the F-35.
Bhai, for USA, India is not Israel.. be clear about it..!!F35 ka khauf hai, maanta hu, but it just doesn't fit into our forces.. way too many restrictions as well for it.. it will forever be a foreign aircraft in India's inventory..Just like Mirage 2000.. we could never make Mirages our own, despite having everything.. but see what we did with MiG, Su30MKI.. that's the kind of flexibility we get.. and an aircraft is bought for the next 30-40 years.. every 10 years it needs a technological overhaul in today's time.. Su57 is what can give us that flexibility.. and private would join in if sought.. and I am not saying HAL, because they are overburdened with work..
 
No private company will touch Russian defense aircraft production with a barge pole (not even Adani). A DPSU like HAL will have to be roped in. HAL will learn how to assemble it, just like they have learned for the Su-30MKI or MiG-21. That will not have any significant impact on our learning. We will not learn engine technology or sensor technology. The only positive thing is that Russia will allow us to integrate our missiles with the Su-57E. But that is the reason we are saying that the India-US G2G F-35 deal should be modeled based on the US-Israel deal where the US agreed to allow Israel to integrate their missiles with the F-35.
Very true. If it's HAL, then both Russia and the US will be happy. Nothing India will learn from TOT. At least money they can take by saying TOT.

Su-30MKI from HAL is costlier than Su-30 from Russia. Same will apply for Su-57 also if HAL.
 
What more can we ask for? India, what more do you want? This is an extraordinary offer at a crucial time of changing geopolitics of the world. We can be in the camp where we truly belong, we can have complete ToT, we can pay in Rupees, we can enter commercial aircraft manufacture too. We can customize the fighter jet to our needs, which we are good at, and this is our second chance as we walked out of FGFA development, with no backup plan and after investing more than a billion dollars.
You think Russians are going to accept INR.
 
Better to go for SU57 with TOT rather than going for F35.

Engine may not be an issue.
Did anyone notice that Russia always prefers to collaborate with Indian PSUs like HAL, while Western countries avoid HAL and other PSUs? Russia knows that even with ToT, the people in HAL are too dumb to understand or absorb any knowledge and will always remain dependent, while Western countries worry about the quality of product that HAL will produce, along with timelines.
 
It will be a huge mistake that may have future complications if the Indian Govt buys Su-57E fighter jets instead of F-35s!!!! Russia won't share any technology whatsoever and will force India again to merely assemble the Russian-made parts as they did with India in the case of the Su-30MKI!!!! Russian officials talk big, but at the end, they won't share any technology. Americans also won't share technology, but their product is much more advanced than the Russian one. Being a buyer, India should choose the more advanced one as a stopgap until AMCA materializes. It makes sense.
 
Everyone is ignoring the main concern that lies in getting the engine of the Tejas jets. If we deal with Russia, the US will stop supplying engines for the Tejas (MK1A & MK2), and our 30-year-long effort will go in vain as the whole project gets delayed by 7-8 years more.

No doubt, Russia's current offer is lucrative and will benefit India in the long term. Before this, Russia too was not giving a TOT offer to India, neither in the case of Sukhoi nor in the case of MiG jets. HAL was just assembling these jets with rare modifications.

Yes, of course, in the past few years, we have seen a drastic change in the modifications of SU-30 jets, which is quite admirable for the Indian aero industry.
 
Everyone is ignoring the main concern that lies in getting the engine of the Tejas jets. If we deal with Russia, the US will stop supplying engines for the Tejas (MK1A & MK2), and our 30-year-long effort will go in vain as the whole project gets delayed by 7-8 years more.

No doubt, Russia's current offer is lucrative and will benefit India in the long term. Before this, Russia too was not giving a TOT offer to India, neither in the case of Sukhoi nor in the case of MiG jets. HAL was just assembling these jets with rare modifications.

Yes, of course, in the past few years, we have seen a drastic change in the modifications of SU-30 jets, which is quite admirable for the Indian aero industry.
Russian-made fighter jets are two decades behind the US-made ones, considering research & development as well as integration of cutting-edge technologies. And the earlier FGFA deal with Russia was postponed due to technical reasons when the IAF had pointed out shortcomings in the Su-57.
 
India has to plan very careful acquisition of 5th gen super fighters, keeping both the US and Russians happy.
The first step would be to acquire at least four squadrons of F-35s to keep the Chinese under check and simultaneously talk of TOT for future acquisitions.
We can leave the SU-57 at present and think of acquiring TU-160 bombers from the Russians so that channels of future military acquisitions from both the US and Russians are kept open.
 
This jet is still being developed and improvements are continuously being made to its technology, equipment and capabilities. Although it’s much better than the Chinese junk and fake stealth fighter jet we should wait until they complete developing the entire jet program and it enters production.

If we wanted to increase and improve our squadron numbers and give us a technological boost until our AMCA jet starts production then we could always lease 1-2 squadrons for about 10 years or so. This will save us a lot of money from buying and maintaining it for the next 40 years along with the upgrades and refits.
 
Russian-made fighter jets are two decades behind the US-made ones, considering research & development as well as integration of cutting-edge technologies. And the earlier FGFA deal with Russia was postponed due to technical reasons when the IAF had pointed out shortcomings in the Su-57.
They didn't even allow our pilot to fly the PAKFA once, and our scientist to go near the jet, even after taking $250 million. Also, they wanted us to take care of 50% of the budget but were only willing to give 10% of the work share. It was a great decision to pull out of this program.
 

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