Safran-GTRE's 110kN Engine for AMCA Will Be Entirely New Design, Not Based on Rafale's M88, GTRE to Retain IPR Ownership

In an exclusive revelation, a senior official from Safran, the French aerospace giant, has confirmed that the upcoming 110kN thrust engine, a collaborative effort with India's Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE) for the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) program, will boast a completely new core design. This new engine will be distinct from the M-88 engines currently powering the Rafale jets.

The Safran official emphasized that the 110kN engine will not share any core components or technology from the M-88. It is being designed from the ground up to specifically meet the unique requirements of the AMCA, underscoring a significant commitment to innovation and ensuring the engine is perfectly tailored to India's 5th-generation fighter jet program.

Addressing the integration of cutting-edge technology, the official revealed that the engine would incorporate some of the advanced technologies that GTRE is keen on exploring, technologies that are also anticipated in 6th-generation aircraft programs. This includes advancements in materials science, propulsion efficiency, and potentially in engine control systems, all aimed at pushing the boundaries of current jet engine capabilities.

Crucially, the Safran representative confirmed that the Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) for the new engine will remain with GTRE. This is a significant step towards India's push for self-reliance in defence technology. Additionally, there will be no export restrictions on the engine, providing India with strategic flexibility in defence exports and future development.

Looking ahead, the Safran official anticipates that GTRE's production partner will receive orders for over 1,000 engines over the coming decades. This substantial number not only reflects the projected needs of the AMCA program but also hints at the engine's potential integration into other Indian fighter jet programs, suggesting a versatile and scalable design.

This partnership between Safran and GTRE holds immense promise for the AMCA program and for India's defence industry as a whole. It showcases India's growing capabilities in developing sophisticated, indigenous aerospace solutions and positions the nation as a key player in the global defence market.

 

[R. Singh]

Don't depend on one Partner, also ink deal with Rolls Royce to make 90-95 Kn engine for Tejas-1A with AIP rights !

 

[RajuB]

This is too good to be true.

 

[sanket]

Nice, with IPR with GTRE plus export rights and further modification with strategic flexibility, Safran suits well as a partner as multiple platforms are concerned, from AMCA, TEDBF, Tejas Mk2, and Rafale (36 Rafale + 26 Rafale M + 114 under MRFA). AMCA, TEDBF & Rafale being twin-engine, the requirement number may exceed beyond 3000 engines for the production partner of GTRE. With all engine components manufactured locally, it will make Bharat "Atmanirbhar" with complete control over the ecosystem, unlike GE, which is a renowned engine manufacturer with a supply chain spread all over instead of within their control, affecting production and delaying fulfilling engine orders.

 

[Ravindra Singh]

this will enable them to not share any technology

 

[Rinku Pandey]

No need. Bharat should enhance and use Kaberi engines. It's already testing in Russia with flying colors.

 

[Rinku Pandey]

If Bharat has to do a partnership with foriegn OEM, it should be with P&W. F35 engine can produce thrust upto "190 KN". This engine is light years ahead of what Safran will manufacture in 10 years time.

 

[Instant Karma]

Safran doesn't have any such engine technology to offer. They wants Indian money to do research on such a future engine with very little Indian scientific participation.

This French offer seems to be another scam from the French.

 

[shekhar]

Because of big orders, they collaborate on IMRH engine and now AMCA engine

 

[Harsh]

This is too good to be true.

Agree. Are we being blindsided or was it always there but we were just not reading the print? Suspicious authenticity.

 

[DNA57]

First, what is the timeline? Secondly, Safran should transfer technology for even the minutest part of the engine, along with IPR, etc. Thirdly, India should be careful, since Safran will develop the engine on Indian money, they will not consider the cost factor and they may delay the process according to their convenience.

 

[Nobody In here]

These Safran monkeys are only interested in India's money and to enhance their own business interests 💩👎

 

[P.K Senapati]

With Safran as the partner the joint development of110kN jet engine for AMCA will be a success and the mistakes of Kaveri will not be repeated.
It is a completely new engine and GTRE will have IPR rights.repeated.

 

[Instant Karma]

Because of big orders, they collaborate on IMRH engine and now AMCA engine

Their engine technology very poor quality. That is why ALH is being grounded regularly.

 

[shekhar]

Their engine technology very poor quality. That is why ALH is being grounded regularly.

Compare with other countries program and then draw conclusions

 

[Baiju Bhaskaran]

Hope it becomes successful like the Shakthi engines for the Helicopter's.

 

[Devasahayam]

Safran offering a decoy, due to having had to give TOT on helo engines...

 

[Dragon]

Why is everyone so sceptical of Safran? Am I missing something?

 

[Sudha]

These Safran monkeys are only interested in India's money and to enhance their own business interests 💩👎

Everyone including you are interested in money. We want hi-tech without doing R&D or lack of knowhow, then we have to pay. There are no free meals except for kids in Bharat.

 

[Sudha]

First, what is the timeline? Secondly, Safran should transfer technology for even the minutest part of the engine, along with IPR, etc. Thirdly, India should be careful, since Safran will develop the engine on Indian money, they will not consider the cost factor and they may delay the process according to their convenience.

"In collaboration" means both have to contribute, not a one way street. Every contract has timelines except with HAL. Safran is definitely not HAL 🤣

 

[Shrujanam Syama]

This is just half truth. The Safran official intended to say that the 110kN engine is unrelated to M88. It doesn't mean GTRE is working with Safran for the new engine.

 

[Sudha]

Their engine technology very poor quality. That is why ALH is being grounded regularly.

Bharat has high quality aero engines, that is why we went for collaboration with French. Now I have heard everything.🤣 BTW ALH isn't grounded because of engine problem. Trying to sound macho?😂

 

[Sudha]

Safran doesn't have any such engine technology to offer. They wants Indian money to do research on such a future engine with very little Indian scientific participation.

This French offer seems to be another scam from the French.

Why not you contribute instead of commenting fictions? You have the tech for aero engines?

 

[Sudha]

If Bharat has to do a partnership with foriegn OEM, it should be with P&W. F35 engine can produce thrust upto "190 KN". This engine is light years ahead of what Safran will manufacture in 10 years time.

One knows US is unreliable. Want to depend on US? Think about F404.

 

[Sudha]

No need. Bharat should enhance and use Kaberi engines. It's already testing in Russia with flying colors.

Present iteration of Kaveri is not even 90kn. So you will upgrade it to 120kn? 🤣