India's AMCA Project Spells Trouble for Russia's Su-57 and Su-75 Ambitions

The Security Committee of the Council of Ministers of India has embarked on an ambitious venture: the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) project. With a dedicated investment of 1.8 billion dollars, India is bolstering its aerospace capabilities while marking a significant shift in its defence strategy.

The AMCA project highlights India's determination to become self-sufficient in defence, moving away from its traditional reliance on Russian military technology.

India and Russia have shared a long history of defence cooperation, with India utilizing primarily Soviet-era equipment and technology. However, recent developments signal a changing dynamic.

Russia's introduction of the Su-75 Checkmate, a fifth-generation fighter aircraft aimed at markets like India, has been met with an underwhelming response. India's reduced enthusiasm for Russian hardware highlights its desire to diversify its military procurement and nurture its own defence industry.

The AMCA project embodies India's ambition to plot its own path in military aviation. With substantial investment in developing a fifth-generation fighter jet, India seeks to both reduce its reliance on foreign suppliers and greatly enhance its defence capabilities.

The AMCA promises to be a highly adaptable platform, featuring advanced avionics, stealth technology, and unmatched firepower, all designed to meet the evolving needs of the Indian Air Force.

India's decision to develop the AMCA has far-reaching strategic consequences. By building domestic capabilities in military aviation, India bolsters its national security and cements its position as a sovereign power on the global stage.

Further, the AMCA's development will increase India's standing as a credible partner in defence cooperation, fostering potential collaborations with other nations in aerospace technology.

 

[Pink Panther]

Difference is that AMCA is using many of the subsystems of Tejas mk2 and TEDBF. we have already developed most of the subsystems. KAAN is an empty shell right now. And it the first time turkey is developing modern fighter. HAL has multi decade experience. I know that I may sound overly optimistic, but I choose to believe in my country. In recent years lots of work has been done to improve infra in defence industry and new manufacturing plants have been set up.

Where is the engine.

 

[Pink Panther]

If a fighter with more than 2 flying prototype is long time away.. What about a fighter that is on paper and is going to be made by an organisation that has a dubious reputation with relaxed approach to work.

Absolutely, AMCA wil take atleast 15 years from now to go to production.

 

[Pink Panther]

AMCA can only be expected to ENTER production post 2035 best case or 2040 worst case. Till that time, IAF will have a 5th gen fighter vacuum. While China will have a 300+ fleet of matured 5th gen fighters (if not more) and even P!6stan will BEG and GET 50-60 5th gen fighters (Chinese).

Right, we can’t wait till 2040 for AMCA, we need to operate some foreign 5 th gen jet in the interim till AMCA is ready.

 

[Pink Panther]

Only Time will tell ,But once Russia start inducting Su-57 and AMCA have time to become mature platform so India can think about it Su-57 is better platform than Su-75. India may buy 3 to 4 sqadron of Su-57.

I am sure it will happen till AMCA becomes a matured platform.

 

[Pink Panther]

What Russia only can do make a production ready Model of Su-75 by 2025 and offer it in MRCA tender in place of MIG-35 or Su-35.. But it is very unlikely

There are more possibilities for SU-57 than SU-75.

 

[Pink Panther]

Not happening. Work hasn't even started on the Su-75 prototype. A first flight is not even planned yet, not to mention all of the testing, the LSP and UA tests, and finally a production-ready version. At the bare minimum, that is a 4-5 year cycle.

Russian’s have everything that is made for SU-57, all will go into SU-75, so SU-75 wouldn’t take anytime at all

 

[Pink Panther]

Only short term solution is to speed up MRFA. Dassault is reeling under orders and will only be too happy to make in India, for India and possibly Gulf too. Maybe 114 can be broken into two, 78 Rafale and 36 SU57, assembled here to maintain balance.

And buy $300Mln 4th gen jet when our enemies on both sides will operate 5th gen jets, it is just too dangerous for us and Rafale offers false confidence.

 

[Pink Panther]

Its pointless to pursue the SU 57. In terms of stealth it is inferior to American and Chinese stealth planes. Western sensors and avionics are far superior to Russian ones. Without significant investment by China or India the SU 57 has no future as Russia on its own lacks the resources to develop it to its full potential. Better to have a strategic partnership with Dassault to manufacture Rafales.

Did you personally check the stealth of SU-57, you are believing what is said on Western media, for the price and stealth SU-57 is much better than Rafale.

 

[Pink Panther]

Projects like AMCA needs to be made national priorities. Teams working on it should be expanded and resources provided without delay.

Only HAL will work on it, they already have plate full of food to eat.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

Where is the engine.

We have already signed deal for 414 ToT and have few engines already for the prototypes. We would have already started engine production, by the time we start mass production of these aircraft.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

They are already Production ready and are proper stealth jets unlike what the western Media says, Chinese started removing Canard's from J20 to make it more stealthy.

I am not talking about J20. FC-31 is still long way away from being inducted by pakistan. Even after J-20 started production, it took china half a decade to fix its issues.

 

[Apocalypse gupta]

Now this is what you call being overly optimistic: J 35 was seen in production ready final config( PLA Navy) just a few days ago.( I think u haven't seen that news- so at most 2029 for J31, right!?

I am being optimistic for India and being pessimistic about China, turkey and Pakistan. I have given reasons for all. It is upto you to believe what you want.

 

[Anant]

Russian’s have everything that is made for SU-57, all will go into SU-75, so SU-75 wouldn’t take anytime at all

It won't, unless Russia is willing to invest a fair amount of resources and time into the aircraft. That won't happen unless they have guaranteed orders, or atleast a lot of interest.

Moreover, they can have all the stuff ready, but they still need to put it together and ensure it all works together, and then ensure everything works to the customers' satisfaction. That is what I wrote.

 

[Axszelll]

we have won 6 of 7 wars post independence with heavy dependence on foreign maal

Yes, we have won 6 of 7 wars post independence with heavy dependence on foreign maal but don't forget that the other party was also dependent on foreign maal

 

[Pink Panther]

It won't, unless Russia is willing to invest a fair amount of resources and time into the aircraft. That won't happen unless they have guaranteed orders, or atleast a lot of interest.

Moreover, they can have all the stuff ready, but they still need to put it together and ensure it all works together, and then ensure everything works to the customers' satisfaction. That is what I wrote.

If whatever components, subsystems that we make for Tejas MK2 would go into AMCA, why wouldn’t the components and subsystems made for SU-57 go into SU-75, your comment doesn’t make any sense at all, this is exactly what Russians said about SU-75, I didn’t say it, do SU-75 prototype will be made in no time.

 

[Pink Panther]

I am not talking about J20. FC-31 is still long way away from being inducted by pakistan. Even after J-20 started production, it took china half a decade to fix its issues.

FC-31 is the first stealth jet they made without Canards and tested, after this, Chinese started removing canards from J20, So FC-31 is almost production ready, they are already testing them in their carriers and would induct them anytime within this year.