After First F404 Engine Delivery for Tejas, GE Links Delays to Prior Lack of Consistent Indian Orders, Citing Dormant Supply Chain Reactivation

After First F404 Engine Delivery for Tejas, GE Links Delays to Prior Lack of Consistent Indian Orders, Citing Dormant Supply Chain Reactivation


GE Aerospace delivered the first F404-IN20 engine to Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) on March 25, 2025, marking a key step in the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Mk1A programme. This delivery, part of an order for 99 engines, is crucial for India's indigenous fighter jet initiative.

However, the engine arrived approximately two years later than initially anticipated, prompting GE to highlight that a five-year gap in orders necessitated the complex reactivation of a dormant production line, a process further complicated by the global pandemic.

The F404-IN20 engine is a specific version developed for the LCA Mk1A, an upgraded fighter designed to enhance the Indian Air Force's (IAF) operational capabilities. GE had previously supplied 65 similar engines for the earlier Tejas Mk1 variant, completing those deliveries by 2016.

With no new orders placed between 2016 and 2021, GE halted the F404-IN20 production line. The line was only restarted after HAL secured the order for 99 engines in 2021, following the Indian government's approval of a contract for 83 LCA Mk1A aircraft.

Acknowledging the delay, GE Aerospace noted the inherent difficulties in restarting jet engine manufacturing. In a statement, the company indicated that resuming production was especially challenging during the COVID-19 pandemic. The five-year period without orders meant suppliers needed to be re-engaged and the entire supply chain ramped up.

While underscoring its dedication to safety and quality, GE suggested that the lack of continuous orders from India contributed significantly to the extended timeline required to fulfil the new contract.

The delay in engine delivery impacted HAL's production schedule for the 83 LCA Mk1A jets, a contract valued at approximately ₹48,000 crore signed in February 2021. This created concern within the IAF, which is working to modernise its fleet and address a shortfall in squadron numbers (currently reported at around 31 squadrons against a sanctioned strength of 42.5).

In late 2024, India invoked a penalty clause against GE due to the delays, although specific financial details have not been disclosed by the government, which described it as a standard contractual procedure.

From GE's perspective, the extended interval between the final engine delivery for the Mk1 in 2016 and the formal contract for the Mk1A engines in 2021 played a crucial role. This gap occurred while specifications and funding for the Mk1A programme were being finalised.

According to GE, this period without orders allowed the specialised production system to become inactive, making the restart process inherently slow and vulnerable to the global supply chain disruptions that arose during the pandemic. Consistent demand, GE implied, could have kept the production line operational, potentially avoiding these restart challenges.

Despite the setbacks, GE has established a delivery plan, aiming to provide 12 engines by December 2025 and increase output to 20 engines per year from 2026 onwards.

HAL has continued its aircraft assembly work, utilizing reserve engines for initial activities, including the first flight of an LCA Mk1A aircraft (tail number LA 5033) in March 2024.

To meet the IAF's requirements, HAL has expanded its production capacity by adding a new facility in Nashik, complementing its existing line in Bengaluru, potentially enabling the production of up to 24 aircraft annually once engine supply stabilises.
 
Nice face-saving PR from GE Aviation. Before signing the contract, GE had to think about it. They would have avoided it if GE's supply chain were facing challenges.

Why did they sign the deal? It was not forcefully signed, and no one forced GE to sign the contract. It's an international contract. It's HAL who hasn't imposed any penalty on GE. GE should thank HAL for that.

Second, every fighter jet requires 3.5 jet engines in its entire lifespan. GE has supplied engines for 40 Tejas (20 IOC & 20 FOC versions). That means GE, the OEM, has to supply another 100 plus GE-404s, which is a specially developed variant for the Tejas project. GE knew they had to supply 100 plus engines so that these 40 IOC plus FOC remain in the air.

Dassault is making arrangements for 36 Rafale jets that have been bought with 144 engines in the future. That's the difference in professionalism. Not only that, engines need regular overhaul and spares/components, which GE has supplied for 75 GE-404 engines. So, by just supplying engines, GE's responsibility doesn't get over.

On the other hand, Dassault delivered 36 Rafales despite the COVID pandemic. But GE failed completely. After all, a contract is a contract.
 
What is the update regarding the GE F414 engine because it is necessary for AMCA and Tejas MK2? I last heard that the deal is stuck because of cost or is it cancelled? Then AMCA and Tejas MK2 will be cancelled too.
 
History will repeat itself again if the GOI doesn't give clearance ASAP for further 97 Mk1A orders. Also, GE414 should be signed ASAP.
 
Nice face-saving PR from GE Aviation. Before signing the contract, GE had to think about it. They would have avoided it if GE's supply chain were facing challenges.

Why did they sign the deal? It was not forcefully signed, and no one forced GE to sign the contract. It's an international contract. It's HAL who hasn't imposed any penalty on GE. GE should thank HAL for that.

Second, every fighter jet requires 3.5 jet engines in its entire lifespan. GE has supplied engines for 40 Tejas (20 IOC & 20 FOC versions). That means GE, the OEM, has to supply another 100 plus GE-404s, which is a specially developed variant for the Tejas project. GE knew they had to supply 100 plus engines so that these 40 IOC plus FOC remain in the air.

Dassault is making arrangements for 36 Rafale jets that have been bought with 144 engines in the future. That's the difference in professionalism. Not only that, engines need regular overhaul and spares/components, which GE has supplied for 75 GE-404 engines. So, by just supplying engines, GE's responsibility doesn't get over.

On the other hand, Dassault delivered 36 Rafales despite the COVID pandemic. But GE failed completely. After all, a contract is a contract.
What nonsense! Why should GE think about others' concerns, they need to look at their own interests. It was HAL's error for opting for the F404 engine, the production of which had stopped in 2016. Do you think GE is an Indian company to take care of HAL and Bharat? Being a fanboy is one thing, but blaming others for our own fault is like acting like inefficient HAL, which always blames others for their own mistakes. 😡
 
Why did they sign the deal? It was not forcefully signed, and no one forced GE to sign the contract. It's an international contract. It's HAL who hasn't imposed any penalty on GE. GE should thank HAL for that.
Had GE communicated this upfront, we would understand. But they gleefully took the order, promised untenable timelines and now cribbing.
 
So it is not GE to blame, it's HAL's lack of planning and forward thinking. It's high time to shift part of the aircraft production to private players.
 
The GOI delayed 83 MK1a approval till 2021. After that, the order was placed for 99 engines. Chai Samosa Cartoon should have advised the GOI to approve 99 engines in 2016. Five years' delay. That was the period (2014-2020) when the GOI was busy trying to sabotage HAL.

Also, during 2016-2021, the GOI did not have the budget to place an order for 99 engines. During that period, all the budget was allocated for buying 36 tapporrees.
 
This is the fault of GOI and IAF. They dithered on the Tejas Mk1A purchase till 2021 and then ordered it as a stopgap arrangement, but the production line for the engines was shut down in 2016. GOI thought they'll wrap up the F414 engine contract for Tejas Mk2 by then and that's why they waited but it never happened. They should've fast-tracked the F414 deal for the Mk 2 purchase instead of giving stopgap orders for an engine whose manufacturing line had already shut down. The same thing happened with the C-17 Globemaster order.
 
If IAF and HAL seriously want additional 97 Tejas MK1A aircraft, then they should take some risk and place the order for engines now itself if they don't want to repeat their mistakes again.
 
HAL, DRDO, GOVT must place the order for the next batch of 97 aircraft engines well in time to avoid time loss.

Instead of waiting for endless procedures, approvals and time delays, GE must be given an anticipatory order with confirmed orders and staged payments 2 years well before the 83 aircraft under production are completed and the old set of MOD babus retire and a new set comes in and starts the circus all over again.

This way GE has time to procure materials, alloys, metals and parts from its supply chains and supplies are streamlined without delays.

Similarly, without wasting time, the deal for production of F-414 must be completed by end of 2025 to commence production by 2027-28.
 
What non sense excuse, we are held up here on national priority, GE says it's supply chain glitch from our side. if so then terminate the entire supply chain that was there and get new one and order 300 engines. We don't lack money on defence related matters anymore so do it ASAP.
 
What's this hotel type ordering in defence matters, where all know surplus means of use in war ,this cut to cut spending on critical tech that we can't manufacture is real headache . Aim for low means going below the needed always . Somone go GE and tell the buggers to ship whatever engines they got to us now , rest is future .This shopkeeper mentality is a major hurdle since 1947 ,nothing new.Defence means Dil khol ke .
 
Tejas got made in early 2000s ,25 years on ,one upgraded engin has come , this is so useless that one can think was possible but last 10 years of failure in defence is so glaring that one can't ignore anymore. All think of nations readiness but high time this all fits in and we get some 500 jets in next 5 years, 100 per year to tip the balance of power permanently in our favour.
 
Welll, considering the outstanding order foe 180 Tejas Mk 1s and Mk 1As, we will need more engines. Far more engines. Better place the orders soon, and we can then use that as leverage to force GE to increase production rates beyond the current plan of 20 per year.
 
Welll, considering the outstanding order foe 180 Tejas Mk 1s and Mk 1As, we will need more engines. Far more engines. Better place the orders soon, and we can then use that as leverage to force GE to increase production rates beyond the current plan of 20 per year.
GE has the needed manpower , we should pay them to get work done 24×7×365 and all will be done. We have need so we pay double and get the work done, once engines are in country, keep making more airframes with private players here locally.We can't make engines ,on top is sloppy procurement process with red tape that was of 1947 era but its still there .
 
Who is responsible for the 5-year gap in ordering GE 404 engines? HAL, IAF, Ministry of Defence? What does the Air Chief have to say about this? Hopefully, at least, HAL is ordering for upcoming orders plus replacement requirements; otherwise, if GE closes shop for 404 engines, we will have nowhere to go!
 
Have gut feeling that we will not learn and will again mess up for upcoming 97 orders. Wish that I am proven wrong.
 
So, the real picture will start from 2026 onwards. HAL will not be able to blame GE for any further delays. 12 engines in 2025 and 20 in 2026, which means by March 2027, HAL will need to deliver at least 30 if not 32 jets by then, as they already have 3 production lines ready. Only time will tell what HAL does, a new excuse or streamlined delivery.
 
What nonsense! Why should GE think about others' concerns, they need to look at their own interests. It was HAL's error for opting for the F404 engine, the production of which had stopped in 2016. Do you think GE is an Indian company to take care of HAL and Bharat? Being a fanboy is one thing, but blaming others for our own fault is like acting like inefficient HAL, which always blames others for their own mistakes. 😡
In order to bash competition, Frenchie propagandist has now turned GE apologist. Not gonna work.

GE knew what it was signing up in 2021. First engine is late by two years. Isn't it that simple?

It's true our babus and IAF took lot of time to place Mk1A order. But that's how it is. It does not justify contractual violations by GE. The Mk1A order (or for that matter even the MK1 FoC repeat order) should have been placed in 2016 itself, when the first Tejas squadron formation was decided. India's security interest would have been served much better. But then IAF was only after Rafale and most of the budget were forked out for it. MK1A Price negotiation took 3 years after HAL RFP but gave 5 years to Dassault for 36 Rafale ... unimaginable. Why not ask all 36 in two years ... after all Dassault makes such tall claims for productivity or so their agents want us to believe.

Engines were selected by ADA with IAF acting as the gatekeeper through CDRs and finally approved by MoD and CCS. HAL has no role in it. But then Frenchies would love to lie and try to beat competition.
 
Nice face-saving PR from GE Aviation. Before signing the contract, GE had to think about it. They would have avoided it if GE's supply chain were facing challenges.

Why did they sign the deal? It was not forcefully signed, and no one forced GE to sign the contract. It's an international contract. It's HAL who hasn't imposed any penalty on GE. GE should thank HAL for that.

Second, every fighter jet requires 3.5 jet engines in its entire lifespan. GE has supplied engines for 40 Tejas (20 IOC & 20 FOC versions). That means GE, the OEM, has to supply another 100 plus GE-404s, which is a specially developed variant for the Tejas project. GE knew they had to supply 100 plus engines so that these 40 IOC plus FOC remain in the air.

Dassault is making arrangements for 36 Rafale jets that have been bought with 144 engines in the future. That's the difference in professionalism. Not only that, engines need regular overhaul and spares/components, which GE has supplied for 75 GE-404 engines. So, by just supplying engines, GE's responsibility doesn't get over.

On the other hand, Dassault delivered 36 Rafales despite the COVID pandemic. But GE failed completely. After all, a contract is a contract.
As you said GE should thank HAL for not imposing penalty. Does HAL have any other option? Tejas structure is designed according to dimensions of GE engine, any change of the engine would had required changes to the structure that would had cost years perhaps decades keeping in view the past performance of HAL. Besides if not GE who else, as not much choice is available as the saffron and roll royce engines do not deliver the required thrust.
 
What nonsense! Why should GE think about others' concerns, they need to look at their own interests. It was HAL's error for opting for the F404 engine, the production of which had stopped in 2016. Do you think GE is an Indian company to take care of HAL and Bharat? Being a fanboy is one thing, but blaming others for our own fault is like acting like inefficient HAL, which always blames others for their own mistakes. 😡
The buggers are getting paid for that! If they thought that production of F404 engines would be a problem, why did GE sign the contract?
 

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