Developing Indigenous Hot Core for 110kN AMCA Engine Hinges on India's Private Sector Synergy, Says Baba Kalyani

Developing Indigenous Hot Core for 110kN AMCA Engine Hinges on India's Private Sector Synergy, Says Baba Kalyani


India needs a collaborative effort from its private sector industries to master the critical technology required for advanced jet engines, according to Baba Kalyani, Chairman and Managing Director of the Kalyani Group.

Speaking recently, the head of the major Indian defence manufacturing conglomerate stressed that developing the 'hot core' section of these engines is essential for the nation's self-reliance, particularly for the planned 110kN thrust engine intended for the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) program.

The hot core, which includes the compressor, combustion chamber, and turbine, is considered the most vital part of a jet engine. It operates under extremely high temperatures and pressures to generate the necessary thrust for flight.

Mr. Kalyani pointed out that while India has advanced significantly in defence production, mastering this complex engine section remains a challenge. He noted that this technology is often closely guarded by global leaders such as General Electric, Rolls-Royce, and Safran.

"India is yet to master the hot core section of the jet engine," Mr. Kalyani stated, highlighting the need to develop this capability to support indigenous fighter aircraft like the AMCA.

Mr. Kalyani proposes that a consortium of private Indian companies should pool their expertise and financial resources to overcome the technological hurdles involved in creating the 110kN engine. This engine is crucial for the AMCA, a fifth-generation stealth fighter jet currently under development by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

The required 110kN thrust is notably higher than the 98kN generated by the GE F414 engines used in the Tejas Mk2 aircraft, indicating the need for a significant advancement in domestic engine technology.

Progress on the AMCA project continues, with goals set for its first flight within the coming years, further emphasizing the urgency for engine development.

According to Mr. Kalyani, such a partnership would achieve two main goals. Firstly, it would allow participating companies to gain invaluable experience and understanding of the complex technologies within the engine's hot core.

Secondly, it would establish India's private industry as a significant contributor to the global jet engine supply network. "If many private sector companies come together, the 110kN engine development can become a learning platform," he explained. This approach, he believes, would enable India to not only supply components initially but eventually produce complete engines independently.

Several Indian companies, including Godrej Aerospace, Mahindra Aerospace, and Tata Advanced Systems, which are already manufacturing aircraft components, could potentially partner with the Kalyani Group and others to form this development consortium.

This collaborative model could potentially incorporate technology transfer arrangements with established international engine manufacturers, similar to past agreements, ensuring Indian firms develop their own intellectual property and manufacturing capabilities. The Indian government's 'Aatmanirbhar Bharat' (Self-Reliant India) initiative actively encourages such indigenous development in the defence sector.

"Once we crack this, we won’t just be a supply chain for engines—we’ll be building them from scratch," Mr. Kalyani affirmed. Achieving this capability aligns with India's strategic objective to become a major defence exporter and significantly reduce its dependence on foreign engine imports, which currently cost the nation billions of dollars annually. Success in this venture would position Indian companies to compete effectively in the global aerospace market.
 
Those with R&D facilities can join. That would be a good thing. For all future projects.
 
Private companies can contribute to aero-components while designing, developing hot core section and manufacturing with lightweight material which can withstand the high temp will be developed with a foreign partner.

Private companies can only do copy-paste work, not more than that in the initial stage. After getting ToT, they might innovate/create and develop certain critical components.

At the moment, a foreign partner for AMCA engine development is the need of the hour. Private companies' role will be important in building an eco-system of aero-engines.

Yeah, Bharat is going to become a defence manufacturing hub in the future. This is the beginning, so this is where I always said if the consortium of Tempest wants Bharat as a partner, they have to shift the Tempest project to Bharat with a complete eco-system and production line. That will only make them think of joining, just like the F-35 is being manufactured in the US while all others are part of that project.
 
Consortium of companies working for jet engine would be a good step. Before taking a moon shot, they should work on basics, like first completing our 12 years of study and then getting into graduation. Develop a small KN engine first, then go for 110 KN or so. Target both civilian and military markets.
 
Consortium of companies working for jet engine would be a good step. Before taking a moon shot, they should work on basics, like first completing our 12 years of study and then getting into graduation. Develop a small KN engine first, then go for 110 KN or so. Target both civilian and military markets.
Core technology which has to be developed has nothing to do with small or big engine but research inmetallurgy technology.
 
Bharat Forge, Godrej,MIDHANI and L&T should form R &D teams to seek tech for hot core section, MIDHANI + Bhrat Forge should provide such metal alloy that can resist temperature required for hot section !
 
These esteemed private companies should not wait for govt orders or funding. They should develop the engine asap and showcase it to the world. I'm sure our PRIVATE sector companies can make a world.class product.
 
All talk unless you are willing to invest in R&D. If you are not willing to invest in R&D then shut up. Plain and Simple.
 
India is yet to finalise a partner for the 110kN engine for AMCA. Then we have the indigenous Kaveri 90kN program for Tejas.

Public sector companies like HAL and BHEL who have experience in gas turbine can contribute.

Apart from that, private companies associated with HAL GTRE and have some capability in precision casting, machining, forging, brazing have a chance to become a partner.
 
All talk unless you are willing to invest in R&D. If you are not willing to invest in R&D then shut up. Plain and Simple.
They have already been making big investments. Their products would not have come to fruition without in house R&D.
 
Those with R&D facilities can join. That would be a good thing. For all future projects.
If not capable get technology from private/gtre/ midhani sector and others..kaylani should stop dreaming of screw driver and foreign help.. Further by saying big old fat colonial era companies name is like making thieves into developers. We need start ups who are willing to take risk.
 
It's a prudent decision. If they feel confident, they can submit their idea to the Government and certainly, the Government will refer it to DRDO/HAL/ADA for their input. If there is professional merit in the project, it should move forward. The Government must and am sure will involve the IITs also which have world-class talent in their pool.
 
Bharat Forge/Kalyani is a metallurgical forging company. Why is it not part of engine R&D, as they have been making barrels which is all about metals and their treatment under different conditions? If they are not capable like Midhani or Godrej, then it's a different issue.
 
Designing, developing and manufacturing jet engines are very complex and not easily achievable as there’s only a few countries in the world who have achieved that after decades.

It doesn’t just come down to manufacturing as you need knowledge or experience in the science, engineering, mathematics, software, metallurgy and critical parts etc.

The best option is that we quickly make a deal with Safran and learn how to design, develop and manufacture a proper and advanced stealth engine for the AMCA. Once that is achieved then the private sector can learn and gain knowledge on how to do it properly and then take that forward to create even better engines in future. If not then that collaboration of several private sector companies can try to develop a reliable engine and keep failing again and again after spending millions or billions.
 
These esteemed private companies should not wait for govt orders or funding. They should develop the engine asap and showcase it to the world. I'm sure our PRIVATE sector companies can make a world.class product.
With out gov funding why would a private sector company invest Billions of dollars in developing engine. What is the guarantee that they will recover their investments. It's a question of billions and years of R&D.
 
Those who expect GE, RR and Safran to help us to be self-reliant are either fools or colonial bootlickers. We can get help from them as much as they allow us, but we need our own R&D who should directly work under PMO as a national emergency. Bureaucracy can still thrive on production and procurement. 😁
 
India definitely has the talent and resources to build a jet engine, but it is surely not GTRE. Private participation with a nationalistic outlook will help us achieve this.
 
Yes that could be one way that they float a new private company each holding 25 percent and balance equity from public. No HAL . IIT can put there best services to get the product and technology. Even in USA or Europe the R&D came from participation of prestigious universities.
 
Can they all form a small firm with each one getting stakes as per their investment and make a fighter trainer aircraft or a small engine for HALE or MALE class with thrusts of 60kN or something and then talk about AMCA. End of the day they are Indian companies we don't know what they can actually make.
 
With out gov funding why would a private sector company invest Billions of dollars in developing engine. What is the guarantee that they will recover their investments. It's a question of billions and years of R&D.
With some R&D, some help here and there and some jugaad they will develop it. They won't invest much on R&D.
 
These esteemed private companies should not wait for govt orders or funding. They should develop the engine asap and showcase it to the world. I'm sure our PRIVATE sector companies can make a world.class product.
Investment in test facilities is still required and it is in billions of dollars. Nobody can sidestep it, whether private or DPSUs.
 

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