Developing Indigenous Hot Core for 110kN AMCA Engine Hinges on India's Private Sector Synergy, Says Baba Kalyani

Developing Indigenous Hot Core for 110kN AMCA Engine Hinges on India's Private Sector Synergy, Says Baba Kalyani


India needs a collaborative effort from its private sector industries to master the critical technology required for advanced jet engines, according to Baba Kalyani, Chairman and Managing Director of the Kalyani Group.

Speaking recently, the head of the major Indian defence manufacturing conglomerate stressed that developing the 'hot core' section of these engines is essential for the nation's self-reliance, particularly for the planned 110kN thrust engine intended for the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) program.

The hot core, which includes the compressor, combustion chamber, and turbine, is considered the most vital part of a jet engine. It operates under extremely high temperatures and pressures to generate the necessary thrust for flight.

Mr. Kalyani pointed out that while India has advanced significantly in defence production, mastering this complex engine section remains a challenge. He noted that this technology is often closely guarded by global leaders such as General Electric, Rolls-Royce, and Safran.

"India is yet to master the hot core section of the jet engine," Mr. Kalyani stated, highlighting the need to develop this capability to support indigenous fighter aircraft like the AMCA.

Mr. Kalyani proposes that a consortium of private Indian companies should pool their expertise and financial resources to overcome the technological hurdles involved in creating the 110kN engine. This engine is crucial for the AMCA, a fifth-generation stealth fighter jet currently under development by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

The required 110kN thrust is notably higher than the 98kN generated by the GE F414 engines used in the Tejas Mk2 aircraft, indicating the need for a significant advancement in domestic engine technology.

Progress on the AMCA project continues, with goals set for its first flight within the coming years, further emphasizing the urgency for engine development.

According to Mr. Kalyani, such a partnership would achieve two main goals. Firstly, it would allow participating companies to gain invaluable experience and understanding of the complex technologies within the engine's hot core.

Secondly, it would establish India's private industry as a significant contributor to the global jet engine supply network. "If many private sector companies come together, the 110kN engine development can become a learning platform," he explained. This approach, he believes, would enable India to not only supply components initially but eventually produce complete engines independently.

Several Indian companies, including Godrej Aerospace, Mahindra Aerospace, and Tata Advanced Systems, which are already manufacturing aircraft components, could potentially partner with the Kalyani Group and others to form this development consortium.

This collaborative model could potentially incorporate technology transfer arrangements with established international engine manufacturers, similar to past agreements, ensuring Indian firms develop their own intellectual property and manufacturing capabilities. The Indian government's 'Aatmanirbhar Bharat' (Self-Reliant India) initiative actively encourages such indigenous development in the defence sector.

"Once we crack this, we won’t just be a supply chain for engines—we’ll be building them from scratch," Mr. Kalyani affirmed. Achieving this capability aligns with India's strategic objective to become a major defence exporter and significantly reduce its dependence on foreign engine imports, which currently cost the nation billions of dollars annually. Success in this venture would position Indian companies to compete effectively in the global aerospace market.
 
As I said earlier, according to govt. records, it needs redirection of funds of only 2 central govt. freebie schemes, 1 of each WB, UP and Karnataka state govt. funded freebies scheme to fund the entire R&D cost similar to that of P&W used to R&D and deliver F119 jet engine from scratch. But since our dumb population wants freebies over national security and all parties will have to give what people want, it is impossible I guess. I can list all 5 schemes with data but let me assure you it's not gonna happen.
 
In the last couple of weeks I'm suddenly seeing a definitive pattern. It started with Godrej. Crisp, clear show of intent without any ambiguities. Soon L&T followed suit, and now it's Baba Kalyani. Something is happening here. We are possibly at a decisive juncture, may be a pivot and the players in the shadows are weighing in to ensure how the pivot turns.

Won't be surprised if a decision is going to come out finally, maybe in the next 2 to 3 months, on the vexed AMCA engine. And if it ends up being a bit io an unexpected turn of events I won't be surprised at all.
 
Private companies can contribute to aero-components while designing, developing hot core section and manufacturing with lightweight material which can withstand the high temp will be developed with a foreign partner.

Private companies can only do copy-paste work, not more than that in the initial stage. After getting ToT, they might innovate/create and develop certain critical components.

At the moment, a foreign partner for AMCA engine development is the need of the hour. Private companies' role will be important in building an eco-system of aero-engines.

Yeah, Bharat is going to become a defence manufacturing hub in the future. This is the beginning, so this is where I always said if the consortium of Tempest wants Bharat as a partner, they have to shift the Tempest project to Bharat with a complete eco-system and production line. That will only make them think of joining, just like the F-35 is being manufactured in the US while all others are part of that project.
Bro, in my opinion, what we should do is, we should give the manufacturing of the new engine to private firms, and not only this, we should also give them the technology of the new engine and ask them to develop it into various forms of engines like turboprop, marine engine, and civil aircraft engine, etc.
 
The idea mooted by Baba Kalyani is a brilliant proposal to pool in Indian defend industry's private players together share their expertise and financial resources. This idea would certainly make realise this complex Indian made 110kN engine to power future fighter aircrafts. But the big question is, are these private defence industry players willing to come together to be part of the consortium to share their knowledge, expertise and resources for a common goal for Indian defence industries to move forward? If there is no interest from the private players due to these factors it will take too much time to produce a much needed 110kN engine in the near future. If this great proposal doesn't get off the ground it will take several years probably decades to realise a 110kN engine. I want to be positive and anxious with this great idea of a consortium, however past experiences make me feel sceptical about the willingness of the private players coming together unless there monetary gains from this joint project.
 
Our politicians have been spending huge amount of funds on people welfare activity ,50 % of which do .end up in off shore accounts of politicians.
Why can't we create a special purpose vehicle only gor development of this aircraft engine .

Govt will allocate 5000 crores for thos activity balance ,govt should levy cess on fuel, or any other service to the tune of 50 paise per consumption and that will generate huge amount of funds.
With these funds in place.
Shortlist private companies based on their expertise.
Hire foreign consultants ,pay them good money ,pouch people in foreign metallurgical labs .

We can do it provided we have will and strong determination. It will take time and it is a ling drawn process.
Any small break through on certain critical parts can be experimented on kaveri engine test bed.

First priority try to solve kaveri engine issues and then go to 110 kn .
 
GOI should give new Kaveri 2.0 60/90 KN program to a consortium of GTRE, Godrej and Bharat Forge with target size and weight of F404 and be ready by 2030.

This should be independent of AMCA 110 engine deal.

AMCA 75/110 KN engine should be done by foreign vendor + GTRE + L&T + Kirloskar.

This will create some indirect competition which will be good for engine development
 
.Aeroengine for combat and civil application is a complex technical area.We can have a consortium of aeroengine manufacturing companies that includ DRDO HAL BHEL ISRO Brahmos Aerospace Godrej Aerospace other private companies for developing Indian ecosystem for this development.
 
Our politicians have been spending huge amount of funds on people welfare activity ,50 % of which do .end up in off shore accounts of politicians.
Why can't we create a special purpose vehicle only gor development of this aircraft engine .

Govt will allocate 5000 crores for thos activity balance ,govt should levy cess on fuel, or any other service to the tune of 50 paise per consumption and that will generate huge amount of funds.
With these funds in place.
Shortlist private companies based on their expertise.
Hire foreign consultants ,pay them good money ,pouch people in foreign metallurgical labs .

We can do it provided we have will and strong determination. It will take time and it is a ling drawn process.
Any small break through on certain critical parts can be experimented on kaveri engine test bed.

First priority try to solve kaveri engine issues and then go to 110 kn .
We failed because of red tapism. Half of the allocated money is siphoned of for Babus and ministers welfare activities. And a major chunk is spent by HAL unions
 
I belive this idea is too late. It would have made sense at least a decade back. Now, even established engine makers are vying with one another for developing and making 120 kn jet engines here. it's a rediscovering-wheel effort to start from the scratch. I prefer these Indian Corporates explore building a commercial jets 180 - 210 seat class aircrafts here with lucrative government support. This is the need of the hour!🙂
 

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