DRDO Actively Seeks Domestic and Global Partners to Develop Indigenous 3000+ hp Marine Diesel Engine for Project-76 Submarines

DRDO Actively Seeks Domestic and Global Partners to Develop Indigenous 3000+ hp Marine Diesel Engine for Project-76 Submarines


India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) is initiating efforts to secure vital technology for its next generation of submarines under Project-76.

As this significant naval program approaches final government approval, expected from the Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) in the coming months, DRDO is actively searching for partners to help develop the marine diesel engines essential for these vessels.

Project-76 represents a major stride in India's naval capabilities, aiming to design and construct six advanced conventional diesel-electric submarines domestically.

A key objective set for DRDO is achieving an exceptionally high level of indigenous content, targeted at 90-95%. This goal makes long-term reliance on imported engines impractical beyond the initial phase, driving the need for a domestic manufacturing solution, likely involving a Transfer of Technology (ToT) agreement with an established international partner.

The technical demands for these engines are considerable. Each submarine will require two engines producing over 3,000 horsepower each. These engines must work seamlessly with other advanced systems like the Air-Independent Propulsion (AIP) and lithium-ion batteries, presenting a complex engineering integration task.

Furthermore, India currently lacks established expertise in designing and building high-performance marine diesel engines specifically suited for the demanding underwater environment, which requires exceptional reliability, endurance, and quiet operation for stealth. This differs significantly from the nuclear propulsion technology used in the Arihant-class submarines.

DRDO is currently evaluating potential collaborators both within India and internationally. While domestic companies such as Kirloskar Oil Engines, Cummins India, and Ashok Leyland possess experience with industrial diesel engines, none have previously developed marine propulsion systems of this scale and complexity.

Developing the necessary local supply chains and specialized workforce will require substantial time and investment, which must be carefully managed against the project's deadlines.

Project-76, which follows the successful Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV) program, is expected to receive CCS clearance around mid-2025, initiating a three-year design phase. Construction is anticipated to take approximately five years per submarine, with the first vessel projected to join the Indian Navy by 2033.

These submarines, estimated to displace 3,000-4,000 tons when submerged, will incorporate cutting-edge features including AIP for extended underwater endurance and potentially vertical launch systems for missiles.

Given the tight timelines and the challenge of developing a new indigenous engine, it is anticipated that the first two submarines built under Project-76 will likely be equipped with imported marine diesel engines.

Industry sources suggest that the German company MTU, known for its reliable MTU 4000 series engines used in submarines globally (such as Germany's Type 212A class), is a probable supplier for these initial units.

This approach would allow the Navy to begin inducting the new submarines in the early 2030s while parallel efforts continue to establish indigenous engine manufacturing capability for the subsequent vessels, fulfilling the long-term goal of self-reliance in this critical defence technology.
 
Designing a 1500 HP engine would have given DRDO good experience. They should not only develop a 3000 HP engine but a 2000 HP as well. Scorpènes use a diesel engine MTU 16V 396 SE84 of ~2900 HP. Midget subs may use 2000 HP engines.
 
Diesel is pointless in subs at this point. It's a 100 years old tech. They should have opted for hydrogen fuel cell hybrid tech. Hydrogen is flammable, so is diesel. Toyota have shot bullets, put the tanks on fire at 1000 degrees yet it came out less dangerous than petrol.
 
Go for a technology transfer development with MTU/MAN of Germany. The second best option would be Kawasaki of Japan. Indian firms like Kirloskar, already producing Pielstick engines of France which has now joined MTU, would be a win-win situation.
 
These submarine diesel engines are extremely complex. Not for the power generation aspect but for the noise levels they should emit and the vibration absorption within the submarine. MTU is making diesel engines for over a century and for submarines since WW2. Even major global players like Wartsila and Cummins could not make the cut for diesel sub engines. Will be very surprised if this can be made in India to the required specifications.
 
Developing a diesel engine for a submarine is a niche technology, just like the fighter jet engine. There will be none willing to share the technology that has been developed over decades and billions.

The real deal is making an engine that is below specified noise levels. The engine noise is the dead giveaway in a diesel submarine. I believe Thailand rejected the Chinese offer due to excessive noise.

Again, Pakistan wanted to install German engines on its new Hangor class, but MTU refused. China copied the German engine and still could not make an engine up to Western noise level standards.

No Indian company can make such high standard large engines alone in India. We struggled to make the Datran engine after a long time, let alone a submarine engine.
 
Go for local players like Kirloskar, Greaves Cotton, Cummins, Simpsons etc. Encourage with timely payments and quantity to meet viability.
 
Diesel is pointless in subs at this point. It's a 100 years old tech. They should have opted for hydrogen fuel cell hybrid tech. Hydrogen is flammable, so is diesel. Toyota have shot bullets, put the tanks on fire at 1000 degrees yet it came out less dangerous than petrol.
Hydrogen fuel is highly flammable and very hard to control its ignition and is not a military proven technology. Diesel fuel has a high energy density, meaning it contains a lot of energy per unit volume or weight. Diesel engines are typically more fuel-efficient. Diesel fuel infrastructure is well-established. Hydrogen requires specialized storage methods, such as high-pressure tanks or cryogenic storage, which can add to the complexity and cost. Maybe in the far future it can be practical, but in terms of today's technology, it will be very costly to produce such submarines.
 
Developing a diesel engine for a submarine is a niche technology, just like the fighter jet engine. There will be none willing to share the technology that has been developed over decades and billions.

The real deal is making an engine that is below specified noise levels. The engine noise is the dead giveaway in a diesel submarine. I believe Thailand rejected the Chinese offer due to excessive noise.

Again, Pakistan wanted to install German engines on its new Hangor class, but MTU refused. China copied the German engine and still could not make an engine up to Western noise level standards.

No Indian company can make such high standard large engines alone in India. We struggled to make the Datran engine after a long time, let alone a submarine engine.
So, according to you, this means we should stop trying to make such engines and just import them.

Trying and failing is better than failing to try. Once, Chinese electronic manufacturers were failing to make products to western standards and now the entire world buys Chinese goods. Earlier, China was unable to produce fighter jets and now they are making jets at par with western levels.

Once, our car companies were struggling to make good cars; now, in 2024, the Tata Punch is the most selling car, and Mahindra has become second in India in terms of car sales.

If we do not try, then we will not fail; if we do not fail, then we do not learn; and when we do not learn, we do not enhance knowledge, and with no knowledge, there is no difference between humans and animals.
 
India needs to 100% indigenously design, develop and manufacture our own submarine engine. India also needs to comprehensively start developing our own marine engines that can power our submarines, corvettes, frigates, destroyers and aircraft carriers. We must become self reliant and stop the foreign expensive imports and heavy reliance on them.

We should let the private sector and DRDO collaborate together or if a private company can develop an engine by themselves then funding should gladly go to them.
 
Diesel is pointless in subs at this point. It's a 100 years old tech. They should have opted for hydrogen fuel cell hybrid tech. Hydrogen is flammable, so is diesel. Toyota have shot bullets, put the tanks on fire at 1000 degrees yet it came out less dangerous than petrol.
Do you even know the volumetric specific energy density of hydrogen? It's 8 MJ/L when compared to 37 MJ/L of diesel. I think you have only heard about its gravimetric energy density.
 
Hydrogen fuel is highly flammable and very hard to control its ignition and is not a military proven technology. Diesel fuel has a high energy density, meaning it contains a lot of energy per unit volume or weight. Diesel engines are typically more fuel-efficient. Diesel fuel infrastructure is well-established. Hydrogen requires specialized storage methods, such as high-pressure tanks or cryogenic storage, which can add to the complexity and cost. Maybe in the far future it can be practical, but in terms of today's technology, it will be very costly to produce such submarines.
The primary purpose of a submarine is stealth, not noisy and cheap. Underwater, H2 and diesel are both equally dangerous since the air inside is oxygen-rich. H2 will be inside anyways in the AIP; there is an onboard generator for H2 and O2, just generate more, no need to put it in a cryogenic tank. Directly send it to the fuel cell membrane to make electricity.
 
India has some experience in 1500hp diesel engine development for MBT. With this technical experience and some collaboration and design support, the diesel engine for submarine P86 project can be a success.
 
These submarine diesel engines are extremely complex. Not for the power generation aspect but for the noise levels they should emit and the vibration absorption within the submarine. MTU is making diesel engines for over a century and for submarines since WW2. Even major global players like Wartsila and Cummins could not make the cut for diesel sub engines. Will be very surprised if this can be made in India to the required specifications.
... nuclear subs are even more noisy. Diesel-electric subs with AIP tech. is most preferred around the world.
 
These submarine diesel engines are extremely complex. Not for the power generation aspect but for the noise levels they should emit and the vibration absorption within the submarine. MTU is making diesel engines for over a century and for submarines since WW2. Even major global players like Wartsila and Cummins could not make the cut for diesel sub engines. Will be very surprised if this can be made in India to the required specifications.
Someone report of getting foreign collobaration when there is a report of the failure of the helicopter to get the development of the engine with french partnership nowadays controversial
 

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