GTRE Asserts 100% IPR and Full ToT for AMCA Engine, Critical for Long-term Defence Independence

GTRE Asserts 100% IPR and Full ToT for AMCA Engine, Critical for Long-term Defence Independence


India is taking a decisive step towards self-sufficiency in advanced military aviation technology, with the Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE) clearly stating that the nation will require complete ownership of Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) and a full Transfer of Technology (ToT) for the engine that will power its futuristic Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

This firm position is seen as crucial for India's long-term defence independence.

This strict condition highlights India's resolve to become self-reliant in the vital field of aero-engine development, an area where the country has previously faced challenges.

Supporting this national ambition, Dr. Samir V. Kamat, Chief of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), has announced that GTRE is actively seeking a partner for the co-development of a sixth-generation jet engine for the AMCA.

Industry reports suggest that Rolls-Royce of the United Kingdom is currently leading the race, having offered a comprehensive deal that includes full IPR, a proposal that competitors Safran (France) and General Electric (GE) from the USA have reportedly found difficult to match.

The AMCA is a 5.5-generation stealth fighter aircraft, currently under development by the DRDO in collaboration with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL). Envisioned as a key component of India's air power modernisation, its induction into service is anticipated around 2035.

This advanced aircraft requires a powerful engine capable of producing 110 to 130 kilonewtons (kN) of thrust. This level of power is necessary to enable 'supercruise' (sustained supersonic flight without afterburners), maintain stealth characteristics, and support advanced systems such as sophisticated thermal management for potential future directed-energy weapons.

GTRE, which is leading India's engine development efforts, has made it clear that any international collaboration must fully align with India’s ‘Atmanirbhar Bharat’ (self-reliant India) initiative, which prioritises national control over critical technologies.

A senior GTRE official strongly reiterated that India will not compromise on its demand for 100% IPR and complete ToT. Securing full IPR means India will own the engine's design, its manufacturing processes, and the rights to all future upgrades. This will allow India to modify the engine for other platforms or even export it without needing permission from a foreign partner.

A complete Transfer of Technology will ensure that Indian scientists and engineers acquire not just the technical knowledge ('know-how') but also the underlying engineering principles ('know-why') to manufacture, maintain, and independently innovate on the engine technology in the future.

This stance is informed by lessons from past collaborations, such as the Kaveri engine program, where limitations in technology sharing with partners like France’s Snecma (now part of Safran) were perceived to have impeded indigenous progress.

Three major global aerospace companies are in contention to partner with India for the AMCA engine: Rolls-Royce (UK), Safran (France), and General Electric (GE Aviation, USA). However, their proposals vary significantly in how they meet India's non-negotiable terms.

Rolls-Royce has emerged as the strongest contender by offering to co-develop a new 110kN thrust class engine specifically designed for the AMCA, with a commitment to transfer 100% of the Intellectual Property Rights to India. Their offer also includes full technology transfer and support for establishing engine manufacturing facilities within India, which perfectly matches India’s goals for self-reliance.

Rolls-Royce's involvement in developing advanced technologies for sixth-generation engines, such as through the UK-led Tempest program, further strengthens its proposal, as the AMCA engine is expected to incorporate cutting-edge features like variable cycle technology for improved fuel efficiency and thrust across different flight regimes.

Safran, which has a history of collaboration with India, including supplying engines for the Rafale fighter jets, has offered full technology transfer for a new engine in the 110-130kN class. However, the French company has proposed retaining 50% of the IPR, which would likely result in long-term royalty payments to Safran.

GTRE officials have firmly rejected this condition, stating that any agreement is contingent on Safran offering 100% IPR along with the complete ToT. While Safran’s technical proposal, drawing on its experience with engines like the M88, is considered sound, the partial IPR ownership does not meet India’s strategic objective of complete technological autonomy.

General Electric, a long-standing supplier to India providing F404 engines for the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft and F414 engines for the initial batches of the AMCA (Mk-1), has been the least accommodating. The US firm has reportedly offered around 90% ToT but has insisted on retaining full IPR for the engine.

This position is unacceptable to GTRE, given India’s emphasis on complete technological control. GE's stance is likely influenced by stringent US export control regulations, particularly the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR), which often restrict the sharing of sensitive defence technologies. This has effectively placed GE at a disadvantage in the competition, as India prioritises long-term strategic independence over immediate technological access.

Dr. Kamat's confirmation that GTRE is aiming for a sixth-generation jet engine for the AMCA program signifies a forward-looking approach. The initial version, AMCA Mk-1, will be powered by the GE F414 engine, producing 98kN of thrust. However, the more advanced AMCA Mk-2 variant, expected by 2040, will require a significantly more powerful and technologically advanced engine to match contemporary global fighter aircraft, such as China’s J-20 and other emerging sixth-generation fighters.

A sixth-generation engine, potentially incorporating features like adaptive cycle technology, could offer substantial performance improvements, such as up to 30% greater range and 20% faster acceleration compared to current fifth-generation engines. It would also be designed to support advanced capabilities like the integration of AI-driven drone swarms and the power requirements for laser-based defence systems.

Rolls-Royce’s offer of full Intellectual Property Rights uniquely aligns with India's long-term strategic vision. By owning the engine technology outright, India would not only equip the AMCA but could also adapt the core technology for other indigenous military aviation projects, such as the Twin Engine Deck-Based Fighter (TEDBF) for the Indian Navy or a future true sixth-generation fighter aircraft.

Furthermore, the establishment of local production facilities, as proposed by Rolls-Royce, has the potential to transform India into a significant player in the global aero-engine manufacturing landscape, possibly opening up future export opportunities.

Conversely, Safran’s proposal to retain 50% IPR is seen as undermining India’s objective of true self-reliance, as it would likely entail ongoing financial obligations through royalties and restrictions on independent modifications.

GE’s offer, while technologically credible, is hampered by geopolitical and regulatory constraints that make it the least attractive option for India's strategic requirements.

The focus remains firmly on securing a partnership that guarantees India's sovereignty over critical defence technology for decades to come.
 
Good, that's what I was saying, it's RR, and that Deal Engine will likely impact MRFA.

Dassault has to share ToT for the Rafale Fighter jet too for winning MRFA. Safran wants GTRE to depend on it and wants to hold some critical hot core section tech and mfg of certain components, and wants GTRE to import from France.

Its all funds are being invested by GTRE, but Safran wants joint IPR and wants to hold tech to get regular royalty. That's the reality of Safran. Earlier in the Kaveri Engine too, under the 36 Rafale offset clause, they promised big big things but delivered nothing. Safran has been exposed.

Now all eyes are on MRFA too. Will Dassault start a local assembly line with a local private player from Bharat's second eco-system for the M-88 for MRFA to win? Ha ha ha, RR all the way for engine development foreign partner.

First engine thrust for AMCA is 1120 kN to potential up to 145 kN and not 110 kN to 130 kN. Safran wants 50% IPR, ha ha ha, on the investment of GTRE. Joke of the day, and not only that, they want to manufacture certain components in France and supply to GTRE. Ha ha ha, it will assure long-term secured business for Safran. Nice dreams from Safran.

This deal is an eye-opener for Dassault too, who is unwilling to share ToT for starting an assembly plant under MRFA with a local private player. The prototype of the AMCA engine should be assembled in Bharat with all components sourced from the local eco-system.

By the time the engine eco-system will be ready for the AMCA engine with export-free restriction, Bharat will have a restriction-free AMCA export deal in the fighter jet market. Safran just wants remote control on investment by GTRE. Ha ha ha, nice joke made by Safran.

Plus, not to forget, the French are involved in the FCAS project, that tech developed for the AMCA engine can be used in FCAS too without investing a peanut. Keep Safran out of the engine project. Already bad experience from GE in supplying GE-404 Engine for Tejas MK1A, no more delay in the AMCA stealth fighter jet project further.
 
Good, please sign the deal and make the desired engine with complete indigenous production capabilities. Now, please bring India amongst the very best in engine technology. Good luck to Bharat, Jai Hind.
 
Will GTRE/DRDO also set stiff technology absorption and skill for its own staff as well?

End of day, technology transfer is only as meaningful as to how well the people receiving it can absorb it. If we only restrict technical knowledge to "know-how" and not "know-why", any knowledge passed will become obsolete and eventually ineffective.

GTRE must see to it that they involve brightest minds "by aptitude" and not "by seniority" into the jet propulsion project.
 
I think by the end of 2025, we can see many deals will be signed. GE F414 and the jet engine deal with RR too. It's good. If India somehow gets this technology, then we can say India is fully atmanirbar in defence, but of course, no further delay. Conclude each and every deal this year. IAF has asked for another 40 Rafale for its fleet. The Govt should clear it.
 
Whatever JV you plan to go with, it can go the FGFA way. Ensure we fast-track our own R&D. Start small, be consistent. Develop a 10-15 kN engine every 3-4 years, move up the kN number.
 
I believe there were 4 companies which had offered engine. What happened to the Russian offer, it's unlikely they would have made an offer worse than the Americans. Going by the 3 mentioned we should close deal with RR asap even if a bit costly.
 
No one will give hot core tech for any amount of money.
They will give it because it will be a brand new engine and it won’t be used by that other company in their jets. Therefore they aren’t restricted by their country on how much ToT or local manufacturing takes place as they will still retain a military advantage over their enemy.
 
Indian planners stay closer to reality by taking this pathway. UK needed reliable partner and india is a proven reliable partner to Russia as we always loyal to them and never tried to reverse engineering or steal engineers from Russia to try to develop engine technology like china.

That's the big plus for India as a nation moving forward. We gained trust and always kept our side of promises to whomever. For some it looked weak but in truth we gained the respect and trust among all democratic nations.

If UK wanted a good reliable partner and building strategic alliance with us they will surely okayed with us to jointly develop these next gen engine technology.

India has huge defensive market and partnering with us give UK a big boost for their industries and co- develop future defensive technologies also plus plus.

Hopefully things will develop nice and smoothly.
 
They will give it because it will be a brand new engine and it won’t be used by that other company in their jets. Therefore they aren’t restricted by their country on how much ToT or local manufacturing takes place as they will still retain a military advantage over their enemy.
The problem is not whether the foreign OEM is going to use that engine or not. Jet engine tech is guarded next to nuclear weapons. It's difficult to believe that someone will share this.
 
The problem is not whether the foreign OEM is going to use that engine or not. Jet engine tech is guarded next to nuclear weapons. It's difficult to believe that someone will share this.
ScramJet Engine tech is far more complex then Jet Engine technology, also Thorium Reactors are also more complex then Jet Engine and we are very ahead in this two technology.
 
Go for the best negotiated deal beneficial to India in terms of money invested. I think we have heard news that Safran is not willing to do both 100 percent IPR and ToT. I am wondering why India is still going after Safran instead of looking for best alternatives with RR. In my opinion RR has long years of experience in engine technology for various platforms.
 
Nobody is gonna give you full Tot. Why don't these idiots just understand?

This is their bread and butter for income in those countries.

Are we gonna pay them 20-30 billion dollars and offer them hectares of farmland in return? No. So they are not gonna give that up for peanuts worth of money India will offer. Every year these companies make billions from selling engines around the world. WHY would anyone give that away?
 
India should categorically insist that we get 100% of the technology, intellectual property rights and manufacture it all in India with Indian raw materials. These requirements are not negotiable at all so we

Whichever company gets chosen they should make a legally binding contract that’s enforceable and with strict penalties if they fail to comply with any of the above requirements. In most cases it involves a fine as that’s the maximum amount of damage that we can do.
 
India should categorically insist that we get 100% of the technology, intellectual property rights and manufacture it all in India with Indian raw materials. These requirements are not negotiable at all so we

Whichever company gets chosen they should make a legally binding contract that’s enforceable and with strict penalties if they fail to comply with any of the above requirements. In most cases it involves a fine as that’s the maximum amount of damage that we can do.
We need to do codevelopment with Indian engineers embedded in the development process. This will automatically ensure ToT and maintain timelines.
 
Best way is to take help of RR. As they have already offered 100% TOT and full IPR with know-how and know-why. But to get confirmation that they don't back-off later, so make contract through G2G deal, this way they can't deny later.
 
Nobody is gonna give you full Tot. Why don't these idiots just understand?

This is their bread and butter for income in those countries.

Are we gonna pay them 20-30 billion dollars and offer them hectares of farmland in return? No. So they are not gonna give that up for peanuts worth of money India will offer. Every year these companies make billions from selling engines around the world. WHY would anyone give that away?
RR have already given TOT to Japan, so they can do it again if we make contract through G2G
 
Why not Russian engines? Always ignoring a reliable partner. More experienced 5th gen engine manufacturer.
Russia has no variable cycle engines developed yet or they have started working on them yet but the 5th gen engine al51 is still under development which should be par with the present western engines. Will have to wait and see what they develops for the mig 41. Our project ie amca is similar to what GCAP and the other European project are which means they to will have a 110-130 kn engine making development faster and easier meanwhile all russian projects are for the heavy category even the american one too. Moreover only RR apart from the twin american companies have any experience working on a variable cycle engine till now. It takes time developing from scratch considering such engines are a leap above all the working engine technology till date.
 
Nobody is gonna give you full Tot. Why don't these idiots just understand?

This is their bread and butter for income in those countries.

Are we gonna pay them 20-30 billion dollars and offer them hectares of farmland in return? No. So they are not gonna give that up for peanuts worth of money India will offer. Every year these companies make billions from selling engines around the world. WHY would anyone give that away?
It depends, it's a new engine for India, there's always some terms and conditions in each deal, and they have to agree with. Things are not so easy as you think. I'm trying to say that engine will be fully for India, and not like GE 404 or 414 which GE offers to integrate with other jets. I don't know if I made you understand it.
 
It depends, it's a new engine for India, there's always some terms and conditions in each deal, and they have to agree with. Things are not so easy as you think. I'm trying to say that engine will be fully for India, and not like GE 404 or 414 which GE offers to integrate with other jets. I don't know if I made you understand it.
The terms and conditions India wants like full Tot and IP rights, those companies will not agree with that. How do I know that?, I live in US and worked an internship at pratt and whitney before. GE's HQ was in my hometown for the longest time before they moved to Boston. Our paychecks come from this technology, and we don't want to go jobless because India wants it. Even if the company wants to, pressure from politicians will not allow it after people will protest that we might loose our jobs.

What you are proposing is different. I think you are hinting at a deal that Taiwan got many years back. Honeywell/ITEC F124 was produced by Honeywell for the Taiwan's fighter project completely from ground up. Honeywell developed it completely on their own based on the requirements of the Taiwanese Air Force. Taiwan fully funded the project and got rights to manufacture it (I think). BUTTTT, IP rights stayed with Honeywell so they can export it to other countries (including India) they offered those engines for Jaguar. That is the type of deal these companies are willing to offer. NOT what GTRE wants.

If they give up IP rights, then India will cut into their sales entirely. India has advantage of cheap labor and they will miss out many deals with other countries, mind you there are probably like 12-15 countries max who buy things like advanced jet engines.
 

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