HAL Delivers Light Combat Helicopters to Indian Armed Forces for Evaluation and Potential Production Deal

[Akshat]

DRDO statement was back in 2011 for its IOC config. - How smart of u to think that Tejas of 2011-12 is equal to Tejas IOC official 2016.

DRDO had made that statement for the 2016 version as well and changed it only in 2019. Official letter was written to MoD and IAF. So funny that you want to change the narrative. Caught lying again.

IAF made the mistake of trusting DRDO and HAL. They said they will deliver on time but didn’t. They also tried to get MMRCA, and were again denied. Again HAL failed to close the deal.

Again, DRDO have in writing that the plane must not be used in combat under any circumstances. DRDO’s written words.

So please tell me how is a plane which simply can’t be used for war is better than a plane which is ready to fight and is in fact being exported?

Also, you again skipped the main point. Even the orders already placed are delayed. So what’s the point of more orders? It’s not like there was a single extra plane that HAL could have produced but IAF said don’t give it to us.

 

[Amit Ray]

Again, DRDO have in writing that the plane must not be used in combat under any circumstances. DRDO’s written words.

Excuse my language, you people blabber too much, might be knowledgeable, but it doesn't matter, what matters is what you can achieve in the field.

 

[Akshat]

you people blabber too much

Our fields also matter bro

 

[Ashutosh]

DRDO had made that statement for the 2016 version as well and changed it only in 2019. Official letter was written to MoD and IAF. So funny that you want to change the narrative. Caught lying again.

DRDO statement was not for the Tejas which was comfortably firing BVRAAMs and was rather for the immature platform.
Compare today's IOC with Mk1a - not much has changed. Just simple basic upgrades.

Again I would say Tejas in its any config. is far better than Jf17.

HAL had no problems with Russians but yeah France - point to be noted:

Dassault literally owns DRAL now and Reliance in DRAL doesn't actually exist ( Anil kuch sikhleta apne Bhai se)
So if kept clearly, Dassault wanted no ToT to India.

If only u knew how the world works but ofcourse u wouldn't know- now I will say some facts and u will say I m defending HAL:-

40 aircrafts ordered - and plenty of time given for that but for that u want the production line to go in its full potential!?

 

[BnglrTester]

HAl should setup a subsidiary or proxy in Russia or a western country and try to sell the same item. Our army will definitely order the same product in hundreds or thousands.

 

[Akshat]

DRDO statement was not for the Tejas which was comfortably firing BVRAAMs and was rather for the immature platform.

The statement was for the 2016 version and was kept in place till 2019. Written and signed statement from DRDO itself. The BVR missile was also cleared only in 2021, by DRDO itself.

Russians had no issues because they don’t want to implement the offsets. Like Su30mki. Even after making 272, HAL says it has no idea what can be the percentage of indigenous content in the new order of 12 planes and will have to ask Russians.

And as of now, Anil bhai still has its share in DRAL intact. Wish you knew how contract law works but of course you won’t.

Let’s talk about this full production line thing now.

HAL had a capacity of 8 planes annually, since 2016. That means by 2021, they should have made 40. That was the order. In 2021, a new line was inaugurated and a fresh order was placed. So orders were placed as per capacity even when th deadlines were missed. That’s how punctual and on time IAF and MoD were. But where are the planes?

 

[beencensured]

Oh Please stop it, It was supposed to be an attack helicopter, but as of now without an anti tank missile is little more than an armed scout helicopter and fills the role similar to the US Kiowa Warrior or the MD-500.

What they do not accept Helina and Sant missile that was developed for it. Obviously arm forces / MOD have more hurdles.

 

[Ashutosh]

The statement was for the 2016 version and was kept in place till 2019. Written and signed statement from DRDO itself. The BVR missile was also cleared only in 2021, by DRDO itself.

the statement was for IOC ,be a little practical . It got removed as soon as the plane got FOC. For u IOC , there is no difference of IOC of 2013 and 2016.

As for Derby- ofcourse the certification will come only after FOC. Point is Derby was already fired and integrated.
Even Astra is not certified for Tejas but does that matter anymore!?

Anil Bhai has its own shares- ofcourse he does , who denied that!? But who rules the DRAL!?
And look at ur immaturity - the one who holds the max. shares is the king. Baat uski hi chalni hai. When I said that practically Dassault totally owns the DRAL I don't know what's wrong with that statement ofcourse as a counter u brought that Anil too owns the shares - be practical and don't deny the truth.

It goes the other way around too sir- ur no. of orders define the production rate.

 

[ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR]

What they do not accept Helina and Sant missile that was developed for it. Obviously arm forces / MOD have more hurdles.

It has to clear proof trials. If it cant then it won't be inducted as simple as that. It would have been best if the preliminary block production would have incorporated the Israeli Spike LR, while Helina and SANT could have eventually integrated later on in the late block production variants. By waiting for DRDO to deliver, we seem to have constrained the capabilities of LCH Prachand significantly, which as usual has failed to deliver the products on time.

 

[Sunnyj]

First setup a dummy company in France, Russia or Israel then you will get order for 145 helos, 1000 Arjun LCA etc. People forget Switzerland is a beautiful country.

 

[desigandu]

IAF and AAC must realize that Prachand and AH64Es are different classes and thus will have different capabilities...It is good to improve and add more firepower but we need to be realistic...Things I have read - Indian Armed Forces tend to have unreasonable requirements that no one in the world has (a mix of capabilities that always need tradeoffs) and thus domestic capabilities don't come up to the mark, while we then tend to buy expensive foreign equipment that still does not meet the original/revised expectations...First we must develop our military-industrial base, ensure private players are involved, develop scale and then go world class...It is okay to be 5-10 years behind cutting edge as long as it is domestic, reliable and reasonably priced as compared to failing with delays, cost overruns and lack of capability...Currently we don't need all our equipment at cutting edge but very expensive...mostly we will be fine with slightly older but reliable equipment that are developed domestically...Something to think about...Just look at American R&D and even NASA and compare that with SpaceX, Tesla, NVIDIA, etc.