How HAL's Nashik Plant only Needs 20-30% New Tooling for Su-57E 5th-Gen Fighter Production, Leveraging Existing SU-30MKI Lines

How HAL's Nashik Plant only Needs 20-30% New Tooling for Su-57E 5th-Gen Fighter Production, Leveraging Existing SU-30MKI Lines


Producing Russia's advanced Su-57E stealth fighter jet at Hindustan Aeronautics Limited's (HAL) Nashik facility could require remarkably little new investment, according to a senior official from Rostec, Russia's state-owned defence and technology corporation.

The official stated that the existing infrastructure used for manufacturing Su-30MKI aircraft means only 20-30% new tooling would be necessary to adapt the plant for the fifth-generation fighter.

This potential efficiency stems largely from the extensive experience and equipment already present at the HAL Nashik plant. For the past two decades, this facility has been central to India's air power, manufacturing nearly 200 Su-30MKI multirole fighters under a licensed production agreement with Russia's Sukhoi Design Bureau (now part of Rostec's United Aircraft Corporation).

This long-term project has equipped the plant with specialised ground machinery, assembly jigs, support equipment, and a workforce skilled in complex fighter jet production.

The Rostec representative explained that while the Su-57E, the export version of Russia's premier stealth fighter, features cutting-edge technologies like advanced avionics, composite materials, and a low-observable airframe design, its fundamental assembly methods and manufacturing workflows are quite similar to those of the Su-30MKI.

Consequently, much of the tooling and infrastructure from the Su-30MKI line is reusable. The estimated 20-30% of new tooling would primarily be for elements specific to the Su-57E, such as its unique airframe shape and sophisticated internal systems.

A major advantage highlighted by the Russian official is the potential for significant cost reductions if India opts for local manufacturing. "If India decides to locally manufacture them (Su-57), then it will cut down procurement costs as the money required for their manufacturing locally will be minimum, thus resulting in lower unit cost," the official noted. Refurbishing the existing Nashik line would be considerably less expensive than building a new facility from scratch.

Further savings could be achieved through bulk negotiation leverage for materials and subsystems, the elimination of import taxes, and reduced transportation costs compared to buying fully assembled aircraft.

Moreover, the experienced HAL Nashik workforce, already proficient from years of assembling the Su-30MKI, would require less training, allowing for a quicker transition to producing the Su-57E.

Although the precise cost per aircraft is not public, analysts suggest local production could lower the unit price by 20-30%, potentially making the advanced fighter a more economically feasible option for the Indian Air Force (IAF).

From an operational standpoint, acquiring the Su-57E could substantially boost the IAF's capabilities. Its stealth characteristics are designed to allow penetration of sophisticated enemy air defence systems.

Additionally, its ability to fly at supersonic speeds for extended periods without using fuel-guzzling afterburners (supercruise) offers a tactical advantage in range and response time.

The aircraft is also designed to carry a diverse array of weapons, including advanced air-to-air and air-to-ground munitions, and potentially hypersonic missiles, making it a potent platform for various mission types in future combat scenarios.

This proposal underscores the long-standing India-Russia defence partnership and its potential role in India's ongoing military modernization efforts.
 
I think we are making a mistake not considering Saab. We would get more IP by working with them. They have world class technology and are willing to share the IP and manufacture in India. It would allow India to take a quantum leap forward. If India did a deal with Saab, the jet would become a world beater and India would be in control and become the supply chain for advanced technology for military aircraft. Don't make the same mistake India made with the French Rafale. The fighter jet took off once India bought it. Now India is at the end of the line and will have to wait 5 to 10 years to get the new jets. By then, they would be obsolete.

Europe is rearming and will want non American jets in big numbers. Stop wasting time and act quick and divisively. Even Canada is about to cancel the F-35 deal and the Saab was second in the selection.

Do what China did with Tesla, Build the car, dominate the ecosystem and supply chain and then dominate the world. India needs to start thinking long term. Have a strategy and stick with it.
 
Wow, a lot will depend on the foreign engine development partner for the AMCA engine of 110 kN to 130 kN thrust that may impact the winner of MRFA too. As the French in the past have promised big but delivered nothing, under the 36 Rafale deal under the offset clause, Safran was going to fix the problem of the Kaveri engine and was going to make it flight-worthy for the Tejas MK1A project, but again the French failed to fulfill the offset clause.

If RR wins the engine development partnership for AMCA, then anything can happen in MRFA. At the moment, Dassault is unwilling to start a local assembly line with a local private player with an eco-system and ToT. Russia is far ahead; this is the difference. Sometimes I think was MRFA deliberately delayed for the inclusion of Su-57 in the competition.

Anyway, Su-57 participation in MRFA will put pressure on Dassault. Rafale may impress with the technical evaluation, but as I mentioned, will they share ToT and start a final assembly line with a complete eco-system plus autonomy of sensor/weapons integration, whether it is indigenous or third party, sharing of source code for future upgrades? The most important thing is the French Exocet missile is outdated plus short of range compared to the indigenous NASM-MR, then Dassault lacks an anti-radiation missile in its weapon package. Dassault hasn't yet allowed the integration of Rudram on Rafale, and the most important part is charging a fee for integration on Rafale indigenous as well as third party is too high from Dassault.

Will Dassault allow local integration just like the Su-30 MKI has autonomy for integrating any indigenous or third-party weapons/sensors? Overall, Dassault knows selling a fighter jet is a one-time profit, but selling weapons/sensors for the lifetime of the fighter jet is the real profit.

Now, the most important part is Dassault lacks a GaN-based AESA radar at the moment, while Bharat has developed one on its own. A GaN-based AESA radar can be integrated on Su-57, while Dassault will not allow it on Rafale. Virupaksha GaN-based AESA radar can be integrated on Su-57, that's the difference, plus Brahmos-NG, SAAW, Rudram Family, GANDIV Missile, Nirbhay Air Launch, etc., etc.

French Funda wants to buy DRAL with complete control over fighter jet production, plus it can easily avoid ToT to Bharat by keeping it within themselves by buying out the entire stake in DRAL. This will be the bitter truth after the failure in the 36 Rafale deal and the offset clause fulfillment of the Kaveri engine ready.
 
Rostec will solicit offers and announce benefits only so long as they get to collaborate with our desi DPSUs.

The day government announces 100% disinvestment of DPSUs lile HAL, AVNL, BEML etc., all these offers and talks of benefits coming from Rostec will disappear like dinosaurs disappeared from the planet Earth.
 
Now, IAF won't purchase since it's cheap.

Now, if Russians are attacked by, say, China, will Russians rush to buy American F35 or will Russians lose the battle with China?

This is my point. Every aircraft is good enough versus the current Chinese fleet. Therefore, Su-57 is a good choice where you can negotiate engine indigenisation to, say, 90 percent.
 
Problem with Rafale is it's too costly. I don't know why. You can buy 2 SU-57s in opposite of 1 Rafale. India is buying 26 Rafale M and just look at the cost, it's insane. SU-57 will be cheaper but geopolitics will not allow it. If MRFA happens in eternity then either France or US will get the contract. It's literally visible.
 
F35 cost maintenance is beyond IAF budget but remember US kill switch policy.
Remember Kill switch can be used only once. The moment they use the kill switch, their export market will immediately die which they cannot handle.

US will only use the Kill Switch if they are being attacked by F-35 or maybe their very close ally by another F-35.

Given the tensions between US and Europe, they are already looking to build European 5th or 6th gen aircrafts. I don't think US will want to jeopardize their very lucrative export market in Europe. They will most likely not come to Pakistan's aid and definitely not for China by using the F-35's kill switch.
 
Remember Kill switch can be used only once. The moment they use the kill switch, their export market will immediately die which they cannot handle.

US will only use the Kill Switch if they are being attacked by F-35 or maybe their very close ally by another F-35.

Given the tensions between US and Europe, they are already looking to build European 5th or 6th gen aircrafts. I don't think US will want to jeopardize their very lucrative export market in Europe. They will most likely not come to Pakistan's aid and definitely not for China by using the F-35's kill switch.
Yeah true. And also Lockheed Martin and Pentagon denied that they have a kill switch. Even UK and Italy were like they can operate F35's independently.
 
This is a good option for IAF and also a backup plan for any delays in AMCA development though it is not a 5 gen aircraft in purest terms, it is still the most capable aircraft in terms of speed, range, payload and weaponry. Indian avionics like Gan AESA radar, E warfare suite and weapons like Gandiv, Brahmos and Rudram would make it a very potent platform.
 
It is a nice offer, but F-35 is more advanced and proven than Su-57. If India just gets it to negotiate with the Pentagon for ToT and somehow integrate it with Su-30, then it's done. F-35 will integrate by itself into the rest of the systems. If India spends $100 billion on these, even China would fear attacking us, because it needs to face the world's most advanced fighter jet.
 
It is a nice offer, but F-35 is more advanced and proven than Su-57. If India just gets it to negotiate with the Pentagon for ToT and somehow integrate it with Su-30, then it's done. F-35 will integrate by itself into the rest of the systems. If India spends $100 billion on these, even China would fear attacking us, because it needs to face the world's most advanced fighter jet.
There will be no ToT offered. Forget about ToT.

First of all its not even possible to integrate SU30MKi with F-35. F-35's electronics are on whole another level.
 
Yeah true. And also Lockheed Martin and Pentagon denied that they have a kill switch. Even UK and Italy were like they can operate F35's independently.
India is not the UK and Italy; they are NATO countries; India is not.

Remember, eight Apache attack helicopters have not been delivered yet, ordered five years ago, and MH-60 Romeo is also completely delivered.

Trusting the USA will make IAF life suffer.
 
India is not the UK and Italy; they are NATO countries; India is not.

Remember, eight Apache attack helicopters have not been delivered yet, ordered five years ago, and MH-60 Romeo is also completely delivered.

Trusting the USA will make IAF life suffer.
Then how did India sign the lease for the KC135 Stratotanker if they did not trust the US?And also, Israel is not a NATO member, but it can use its F-35 customized and independently.

Even if India tries to negotiate, the US can offer F-35 ToT to India in the same way it reduced tariffs on India on April 2.
 
Lemme put this simply. MoD will not go for Su-57 until the AL-51 engine is fitted and tested with it. There has been no official F-35 offers made yet to us so that is still out of question. Again, if F-35s are offered, they'll be offered in a coupled package with the US's old 4th gen tech fighters for MMRCA like F-16Vs, F/A-18s or F-15EXs to make us further bow down to the US for all tech and support needs. Need I remind you that the US will bleed us just to integrate our own missiles on their jets.
 
What I think is that govt should start discussion with Russia for the acquisition of Su-57 for MRFA and finalise the deal once the war is over and some of the sanctions are lifted meanwhile reform HAL or whatever is needed to fast track the development of AMCA as our Fifth generation fighter I think like this because the cost required to acquire and maintain F-35s or Rafale (in large numbers for MRFA) is very high and can restrain the Indian defence forces to invest in other security needs.
 
Russians are desperate for cash and they also know well that the Indians are desperate for a 5th gen fighter aircraft to match the Chinese threats and soon with the Pakistanis. Crucial decisions should not be made out of desperate needs. Thorough study is essential to make a decision on opting for Su-57 up till now which hasn't proved much as a worthy 5th gen fighter. Much hyped stealth feature in Su-57 is not confirmed how stealthy the fighter really is. There are other better options 4.5 gen fighters available in the market but the only minus point is stealth. The dire situation we are in right now is Eurofighter Typhoon, F-15EX or the last option for me is Rafale F5. The GoI has to make a wise decision fast to close the gap in IAF fighter squadrons.
 
Nothing wrong with this fighter if we have it. An elephant in the sky will acquire space where ground force is not present or needs support. For the F-35, we need a completely different world, and the US has shown their treatment of friends too. At least we don't have the F-35 as an option now, but AMCA is the ultimate solution in the future.
 

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