Opinion How Tejas Mk2 with Twin 75kN Kaveri Engines Could Offer India a Potent Indigenous Alternative to Costly Foreign Jets under MRFA

How Tejas Mk2 with Twin 75kN Kaveri Engines Could Offer India a Potent Indigenous Alternative to Costly Foreign Jets under MRFA


A new conceptual design is sparking discussion about India's indigenous aerospace capabilities. Kuntal Biswas, a prominent Indian 3D military system and defence animation specialist, has unveiled a rendering of a twin-engine variant of the Tejas Mk2 fighter jet.

This visionary concept imagines the aircraft powered by two indigenous Kaveri engines, each potentially delivering 75kN of thrust, placing its projected performance in a similar category to established international fighters like the French Dassault Rafale.

Mr. Biswas's design envisions an evolution of the Tejas Mk2, originally planned as a single-engine medium aircraft, into a more powerful twin-engine multirole combat platform.

Key features in his concept include canard-delta wings for enhanced agility, an Indian-developed Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, and a suite of homegrown weapons systems.

With an estimated Maximum Take-Off Weight (MTOW) around 24 tonnes, this proposed configuration aims for capabilities comparable to the Rafale, which operates with twin Snecma M-88 engines also rated at 75kN thrust each.

Central to this concept is the potential use of an advanced version of the Kaveri engine, a long-term project of the Defence Research and Development Organisation's (DRDO) Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE).

While the Kaveri program has faced developmental hurdles, Mr. Biswas's design assumes a future iteration capable of consistently producing 75kN per engine. This would provide the conceptual Tejas Mk2 with a combined thrust of 150kN, theoretically equipping it with the power necessary for demanding modern air combat operations and multirole versatility, mirroring the Rafale's 24.5-tonne MTOW and proven performance.

Strategically, such an aircraft could address a specific need within the Indian Air Force (IAF). Currently, the IAF operates the lightweight single-engine Tejas Mk1A and is developing the fifth-generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA).

A twin-engine, medium-weight fighter in the 20-25 tonne class, as depicted by Mr. Biswas, could fill the gap between these categories. It potentially offers an indigenous option for the capabilities sought under the IAF's Multi-Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) procurement plan, which is currently considering expensive foreign platforms.

The visual renderings produced by Mr. Biswas effectively translate technical possibilities into a compelling design, highlighting potential improvements in thrust-to-weight ratio and weapon payload capacity over the single-engine version.

Enthusiastic responses on social media platforms, including suggestions like "Super-Tejas," indicate public interest in seeing such indigenous concepts pursued by organisations like Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) and the IAF.

The comparison to the Rafale is relevant, as the French jet is known for its versatility across air-to-air, strike, and reconnaissance roles – capabilities that a twin-engine Tejas could aspire to replicate for India's specific defence requirements.

However, transforming this concept into a flying reality involves overcoming significant technical challenges. The Kaveri engine program requires further development to achieve the reliability, performance consistency, and potentially lower weight needed for serial production and operational deployment.

Integrating twin engines would also necessitate a major redesign of the existing Tejas airframe, impacting structures, air intakes, and internal systems – a complex engineering task. Continued investment, and possibly international collaboration on engine technology, would likely be essential.

Despite these hurdles, Mr. Biswas's conceptual work underscores the potential within India's defence and aerospace sector. It presents a vision for a powerful, homegrown fighter jet that aligns with the national goal of 'Aatmanirbhar Bharat' (self-reliant India) in defence.

If realised, a twin-engine Tejas Mk2 could significantly reduce India's dependence on foreign military imports for its medium fighter needs, providing a boost to the domestic industry while offering a capable platform tailored to the nation's strategic environment.
 
The government did provide HAL with a lot of funds to develop an engine but they failed as they lacked the advanced knowledge, education, experience and highly skilled people to develop it.

Still we managed to develop a 50kn for the UCAV Ghatak drone and looking at developing the Kaveri Marine Engine.
Lots of funds for engine. Are you sure? $250 million over 30 years!
 
Twin Kaveri engine for Super Tejas is a great idea worth pursuing by DRDO and HAL. Till Kaveri is ready, we can use some other engine as well. But let us kill MRFA tender once and for all!
 
Twin Kaveri engine for Super Tejas is a great idea worth pursuing by DRDO and HAL. Till Kaveri is ready, we can use some other engine as well. But let us kill MRFA tender once and for all!
No, it isn't a good idea. Had this been pitched a decade back instead of the Tejas Mk 2, it would have been doable. However, for now, if we start work on an entirely new 4.5th generation fighter, it will only take resources away from other much more higher priority programs.
 
Like everything else in Indian defence ecosystem, this is very much a case of what could have been or might have been.

Any sensible country would have started on this effort in 2018 when ordering 36 Rafales. You already had a 73kN engine by then which is practically the same output as the Rafale, just needed to shed some weight which could have been achieved.

Instead, you gut the program because our dear IAF was besotted by the dream of imported stuff, and now when the world is turning adversarial with strained supply chains, you are now scrambling and second-guessing what could have been.

Now, with MK2 and AMCA as priorities, you have no bandwidth to take on this or even make an ORCA from the TEDBF design. So yet again, you are going to let the Kaveri go dormant and collect cobwebs.
Oh it wasn't due to our IAF. I totally agree, this should have been explored, and not in 2018 but in 2015-2016 itself.

But our fantastic DM at that time messed everything up. He came up with this brilliant idea of Tejas Mk1A, allowing HAL and ADA to mess up Tejas Mk2.

Instead, if only he had pushed ahead with Tejas Mk2 at that point, along with a twin engine plane like Rafale, based on Kaveri. France had offered to get Kaveri working as part of the offsets (albeit with some extra money). The upgraded engine was supposed to generate over 80 kN.

But instead he came up with this bright spark Mk1A. The plane itself is too expensive and still doesn't do what IAF wanted to achieve. Mk2 is now pushed well over a decade back, while wasting 1000s of crores on it. And we will still have to buy MRFA. And Kaveri still doesn't work.
 
What do you expect from IAF when GOVT provides nothing for R&D!!! You want IAF to wait for another 20 years with 70 years old jets by not importing??
Oh GoI provides blank check funds bro. It is DRDO and HAL who refuse to get anything done. Where are our Mk1As?
 
Govt can't dictate because they don't provide enough for R&D. Do you expect scientists to spend from their pockets to do experiments?
Blank checks were given for Kaveri! What are you even talking about? So much money was given that GTRE had no idea what to even do with those funds. Go and read Parliamentary documents from 2015-2017. Leftover funds were present in DRDO's accounts and they had no clue what to do with it.
 
I see no hope for MRFA and Kaveri engine. The Kaveri engine has been plagued with problems since 1980. The GTRE scientists are just warming the chairs. No accountability. ISRO has done the most commendable job. The only way for India is to procure Russian 5th generation AL-51 engines from Russia for Tejas Mk 2. Can't rely on USA. They have an old track record for putting sanctions and betraying. France too can't be trusted. They made a U-turn on Saffron engine TOT. Russians are reliable and old weather friends. We need to involve Mahindra, Tatas, and IIT to develop the MRFA engine along with the Russian Aerospace team.
Relying on Russia is the worst thing one can ever do. Look at their old track record. Remember their black mail on Vikramaditya?

As for France, they never made a u-turn. It was DRDO who refused to take their help and Safran was left high and dry, trying to meet offset requirements at the last moment.
 
No, it isn't a good idea. Had this been pitched a decade back instead of the Tejas Mk 2, it would have been doable. However, for now, if we start work on an entirely new 4.5th generation fighter, it will only take resources away from other much more higher priority programs.
But Super Tejas will give us alternative to MRFA. That is the point.
 
Iran could not make it in jets so it made up in drones, it can keep the whole world busy for months so it's become a regional power. We are in a diffrent era , the old WW2 carpet bombing ,dog fighting in air type bravado, real is that drones are doing much work and two engin or one engine of what that has not been tested is good mentality exercise but in reality ,its hopeless.
 
That will be a complete waste of time. HAL and DRDO can't deliver a new aircraft and produce it in even 7 or 8 years. Even if they could, it will be outdated by that time. We needed MRFA in the 2000s. The tender was cancelled two times. Now there is no point in jinxing it again. Also, we need a Gen 5 or 5+ aircraft. We don't have the technology to develop them any time soon. A G2G deal with good technology transfer would be a good one. At least HAL and DRDO can learn something and develop their own by 2035 or 2040.

Remember that we still can't manufacture Su-30 MKI without the help of Russia.
 
Keep in mind that Kaveri is flat-rated for all levels and conditions. That means its max thrust is anywhere from 2 kN to a max of 15 kN extra, based on conditions.
The key failure of Kaveri was always it could not provide a flat-rated thrust and had poor metallurgy. They tried to salvage Kaveri and turn it into a marine gas turbine engine, yet it even failed at delivering a flat-rated performance at sea level and subsequently had to be junked. It was not before they roped Godrej Aerospace in the project that the dry engine started showing some promising results. Even Godrej, with all their expertise in manufacturing rocket motors for ISRO, reportedly had to change a lot of things in the Kaveri-Derived Engine project to get it to work.
 
Lots of funds for engine. Are you sure? $250 million over 30 years!
You can only spend money on something that you can actually create or develop. They spent years just designing something on paper and then changing them again several times. They also had to research a lot on metallurgy and run a lot of tests on different materials etc. Then the specifications would change and then they would have to repeat everything again. Also they spent about 350m according to the latest figures and current prices.
 
Why not, there is a twin-engine naval jet design also from HAL. It would be easier to make mods to MK2 to fit a twin engine and make two variants for both the IAF and Indian Navy instead of designing from scratch like TEDBF. It is pretty sure that we are not going for either Rafale or the EF Typhoon or any US jets, because of the interest shown towards Tempest. As we don’t have much time for this, we should at least explore the possibility. It’s a good idea nevertheless.
We should skip single engine MK2 and instead fit twin engine and call it MK2, make more MK1Bs with single engine, MRFA is not feasible at all for the next 4-5 years in the tariff situation.
 
Kaveri is grossly overweight with a terrible thrust/weight ratio. 2x Kaveri would double the inefficiency resulting in a heavy sluggish aircraft. Maybe suited for a bomber role like a Jaguar , but clearly not for a 4-5 gen fighter
 
Why are we building four different types of jet at the same time? I don't think even one will be ready in time.
 
First & foremost, before we talk of exporting, we need to refine our product. Identify where we need to improve, where we need further intense attention etc. From Tejas Mk 1 to 1A is a giant step forward. Most important, we need our own Engine. So, special metallurgy for that. Once we master the Engine, everything else will fall in place. To this end, IAF & IN need to be the main customers. Once, these Users all apprehensions are attended, we do not need any validation from anyone else. So, closer coordination & interaction is the most essential requirement. Avoid going to the media, taking complaints against each other. That should be sorted out at various chain levels & at the Ministry & Govt level.

What can go wrong:-
1) Does the World want us to succeed?
2) Who wants us to fail? Powerful Enemies & POWERFUL FRIENDS.
3) Every trick in the trade will be utilised to ensure we fail.
4) Highlighting of failure will be at hyper level.
5) Sanctions will be imposed. Important components will be stopped or delayed.
6) Hyper Media coverage of failure & how, India is put to extreme danger etc.
7) War like scenario might be created to force Govt to commit immediate important of other aircraft.
 
Because of shortage of jet engines in coming decades in the world, India must go for indigenous Kaveri engine...first complete the existing Kaveri development ASAP and make twin engine jets based on that this way our tech experts and aviation industry will get more confidence also we can make it stealth
 
No, there is no chance for the twin engine Tejas MK2. It will take another decade to fine-tune the Kaveri engine and design for a twin engine aircraft. Then prototypes, bla bla, MRFA will happen and Dassault or a Russian fighter jet is likely to win.
I think we are making a mistake not considering Saab. We would get more IP by working with them. They have world class technology and are willing to share the IP and manufacture in India. It would allow India to take a quantum leap forward. If India did a deal with Saab, the jet would become a world beater and India would be in control and become the supply chain for advanced technology for military aircraft. Don't make the same mistake India made with the French Rafale. The fighter jet took off once India bought it. Now India is at the end of the line and will have to wait 5 to 10 years to get the new jets. By then, they would be obsolete.

Europe is rearming and will want non American jets in big numbers. Stop wasting time and act quick and divisively. Even Canada is about to cancel the F-35 deal and the Saab was second in the selection.

Do what China did with Tesla, Build the car, dominate the ecosystem and supply chain and then dominate the world. India needs to start thinking long term. Have a strategy and stick with it.
 
We want Tejas Mk2 with GE414 engine fly at earliest by early 2026.
Let Kaveri dry successfuley complete flight test demonstrating 50kN dry thrust in non afterburner. Let Kaveri with afterburner complete flight test demonstrating 80plus kN thrust .
We have TEDBF that can be fitted with two Kaveri with afterburner.
We go ahead with AMCA fifth generation with 100kN GEF414 that can be produced in India with 80percent ToT. And a joint development with GE imroved 110kN engine with IP rights.
 
Wow think of baby doll flying with screwdriver boys running behind to keep it working. Can't we find any other alternative like giving free food to poor instead of wasting money like this. HAL is already working on engine from last 20 years we need atleast another 20 years to prove they are pathetic.
 

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