India Needs to Learn from China's J-20 Success to Mass Produce Indigenous Fighter Jets, Say Former IAF Pilots

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Former Indian Air Force (IAF) pilots are expressing admiration for the manufacturing quality and production scale of China's J-20 stealth fighter, urging India to learn from its neighbor's success in indigenous defence production.

While acknowledging India's progress in indigenous defence development, experts are urging the nation to learn from China's long-term commitment and strategic investments in its aerospace sector.

Retired IAF pilot Sameer Joshi, who flew Mirage-2000s, recently praised the "top-grade manufacturing" of the J-20, highlighting its impressive appearance and build quality. This sentiment has been echoed by other IAF veterans and defence analysts, who have been observing China's advancements in indigenous defence production, particularly in the aerospace domain.

"The build quality of the J-20 exhibited at recent airshows demonstrates top-notch manufacturing, and now at scale," a former IAF official remarked. This achievement, experts say, is a result of decades of focused efforts by China to develop advanced aircraft systems domestically, a strategy that is now yielding results as the country seeks to narrow the gap with Western aerospace standards.

Initially met with skepticism, the J-20, a fifth-generation stealth fighter developed by Chengdu Aerospace Corporation, has steadily gained recognition for its capabilities. Developments such as the indigenous WS-10C engines and advanced stealth features, once considered areas of weakness, now demonstrate China's growing technological prowess.

Former IAF pilots attribute the J-20's success to China's unwavering commitment to self-reliance. Despite early challenges with substandard equipment, China's defence industry has benefited from sustained investment and continuous improvement over the past two decades. This progress, according to Joshi and other experts, reflects a clear vision and dedication by Chinese leadership to prioritize local defence capabilities.

India, too, has embarked on the path of indigenous defence production, with ambitious projects like the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas, the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), and various initiatives under the "Make in India" program. However, experts point to challenges such as funding constraints, limited private sector participation, and delays in scaling up production.

While India's commitment to indigenization is undeniable, the observations from former IAF officials underscore the need for consistent investment, institutional patience, and unwavering support for domestic innovation. China's success with the J-20 serves as a potent example of the benefits of maintaining a long-term focus on defence manufacturing, even when initial outcomes may not match the quality of foreign counterparts.

The J-20's manufacturing quality and production scale provide a valuable case study for India's own aspirations in defence self-reliance. While India has made significant strides with the Tejas, Akash missile system, and other indigenous programs, the J-20's journey emphasizes the importance of perseverance and a long-term commitment to overcoming initial setbacks in establishing a robust and globally competitive defence industry.
 
Only engines are the challenge. A select group of companies dealing with all spheres of Jet engine making should come together and meet weekly once and address the challenges ahead. And power specified should be 10-20% more considering flat rated power output
 
Thats why Bharat too Need Indigenous Fighter jet development proects (Tejas MK1A,Tejas MK2,TEDBF & AMCA) & one Fighter jet project under MRFA for Establishing world class Aero-Industry
 
Due to the earlier regimes and commission lobby, the emphasis was on imports. Bharat is late by at least two decades. It will take time to catch up but surely Bharat can do it
 
Company like TATA should take a lead on R&D for engine, alongwith support from IITS, IISC, ISRO and constant funding from Govt. Hopefully, India will achieve its goal.
 
What India needs is increase in defense budget and more funds for R&D.
With defense budget lower than 2% of GDP, we are just inviting Chinese and Pakistan hostile adventurism in our borders as they are keenly watching this meagre defense budget and knows that India is not capable of waging a full scale war.
So capture India territory slice by slice and then negotiate and give India some face saver.
 
What India needs is increase in defense budget and more funds for R&D.
With defense budget lower than 2% of GDP, we are just inviting Chinese and Pakistan hostile adventurism in our borders as they are keenly watching this meagre defense budget and knows that India is not capable of waging a full scale war.
So capture India territory slice by slice and then negotiate and give India some face saver.
Though your response is logical, funds will always be problem.
Along with legitimate reasons, freebies and populist measures can squeeze the GoI dry.

Once the Ruling Party starts honouring it's promises, there will be no end to further demands.

More will be considered less.
Ours is a selfish population.
 
  1. Cancel MRFA
  2. Get 36 Rafale
  3. Add 84 Su-30 MKI (72+12) all super Sukhoi standard with Virupaksha GAN AESA and AESA Jammer and wide area display cockpit.
  4. Instead of 97 Tejas MK1A get 120
Manufacture GEf404 here
 
The reason why china is so advanced is because the people of china wanted change, work as one and catch up with the West. Whereas Indian people are disunited, self centred and stuck in the past, and this is reflected in the types of elected politicians - film stars, cricketers, wrestlers murders, etc……
 
The reason why china is so advanced is because the people of china wanted change, work as one and catch up with the West. Whereas Indian people are disunited, self centred and stuck in the past, and this is reflected in the types of elected politicians - film stars, cricketers, wrestlers murders, etc……
That's not the biggest negative aspect of Indians.

Most important point is that:
  • Indian mindset competes with smaller and poorer nations like Pak.
  • China aims at matching US, which is superior, and India should have aimed at matching China too.
  • Indians mock and ridicule growing economic and military might of China, when one belittle success of others that means dismissng them as pointless. No lesson learned from enemy.
  • Despite so many drawbacks, too much nationalistic ego among Indian makes us think that we are still the best, and it prevents us from making honest & neutral analysing that is essential for strategic and geopolitical affairs. We overestimate ourselves by underestimating enemy.
That's why we are blind and China has surpassed us. They're adding new sq. of jets every year whereas ours is depleting instead.
 
Widen input programs invite wider brainstorming sessions generating passionate ideas then decide and stick with them for the long run.
Before the idea, someone thinks of it and others evaluate and support it only then resources are allocated for prototypes. From my uninformed view it seems engine manufacturing is critical for indigenous production.
 
While applauding China for the record turnout around in terms of journey from drawing board to functional unit, I would like to stress that considering their total assertive political leadership with a monolithic structure and matching financial muscle it makes things much more easier and faster. In a democracy that too with weak leadership of the prior 2014 and weaker economy of the ast with little to show in terms of defence exports itmade our task much more difficult. In the last ten years the progress made,with booming defence exports and the talent pool with us,with the active involvement of the private sector it's only a matter of time before we would be rubbing shoulders with our US mates in terms of aircraft design and manufacturing!!
 
Around 40 Years back HAL made first jet plane in Asia! China and Japan was way behind! Many people don't know that HAL used to make AVRO passenger plane too! Those were golden days of HAL. After that they started believing that they can only do assembling! Since then HAL is only assembling. Ingenuity is vanished. Research is an anathema. Trade unions are spreading roots. Now a days HAL is becoming a liability on rax payers. We are buying Rafale at around 200 million a piece! And at that price China is making 2 (per piece around 90 million) J 20. Unless HAL is privatized, there will not any improvement.
 
I see major flaw in indian eco system that is jet engine that is heart of any aircraft. We can also design best jets but not a jet engine. China master it by doing reverse engineering👨‍🔧
 
It requires good systems... Get more people educated, quality of education, selection by merit and not religion, caste, more colleges, research, remove reservations from education jobs, better pay. A better foundation leads to strong building.
 
No excuse for India. Go all out to make Tejas and Kaveri....and then fuse them together. HAL should be replaced by ISRO to make Kaveri engine better and faster.
 
China believes in incremental improvements, did not care when every body were criticizing the initial versions...unlike us who expects the perfect platform to start with, no matter how long it takes..
Also seeing the speed of developments, it feels as if we work on weekdays only, from 10 to 5 with 2 hr. daily breaks..
 
Have someone been to Aero India show in Bengaluru because I have been there; thrice. Around 800 aerospace companies have their stalls in this 5 days long display. I won't compare with western companies but the stall of DRDO, HAL, BEL or any other Indian companies are so pathetic. R&D and invocations are not even deserve mention. Few transponders here and there, few antennas, few boxes and they are done. DRDO tries to save it's face by prominently showing Agni and Brahmos. Of course there is LCA on display too but then any of us knows it's already an outdated 3rd generation aircraft which is dying a slow death even before we could scale it's manufacturing. DRDO has made sure that India remain embarrassed for last 60 years.
 

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