India Not Interested in Joining UK-Japan-Italy GCAP 6th-Gen Fighter Program, Reaffirming Commitment to Indigenous AMCA Program

India Not Interested in Joining UK-Japan-Italy GCAP 6th-Gen Fighter Program, Reaffirming Commitment to Indigenous AMCA Program


Officials from the Indian Air Force (IAF) have firmly denied recent media reports originating from Japan which suggested India was interested in participating in the Global Combat Air Programme (GCAP). GCAP is a major international project involving the United Kingdom, Japan, and Italy aimed at developing a sixth-generation fighter aircraft.

Clarifying India's position, an IAF official stated that no official discussions have occurred with Japan regarding GCAP, nor has India formally requested to join the initiative. This statement counters speculation about India's potential involvement in the advanced fighter jet project. The GCAP consortium is known to be seeking additional partners to help manage the substantial estimated development costs of $32.5 billion.

However, the IAF stressed its unwavering commitment remains with its own domestic Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) program, which aims to deliver a 5.5-generation stealth fighter for induction around 2035.

Reports in Japanese media earlier this week had asserted India's interest in the GCAP project. Launched in 2022, GCAP brings together major defence contractors like Japan’s Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Italy’s Leonardo, and Britain’s BAE Systems.

Their goal is to produce a next-generation stealth aircraft by 2035, equipped with cutting-edge features like advanced stealth capabilities, directed-energy weapons, and seamless integration with unmanned aerial systems.

The reports implied that India's participation could alleviate the financial strain and utilize India's expanding aerospace capabilities, a view reportedly shared by the UK and Italy who have previously invited India.

However, IAF officials have labelled these reports as speculative. "No such talks have happened, nor has India sought Japan’s permission to join the program," an official confirmed. They acknowledged that GCAP is actively looking for more partners due to the high project costs, but reiterated that India has not entered formal participation talks.

This stance aligns strongly with India's national policy of 'Atmanirbhar Bharat', emphasizing self-reliance in defence production, clearly demonstrated by the focus on the AMCA project being developed by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA).

While refuting current interest in formal talks, the IAF official did acknowledge that an informal briefing on the GCAP project was provided by officials from the British Ministry of Defence (MoD) a few years prior, around 2022. This occurred when the UK first extended an invitation for India to join the Tempest Project, which subsequently evolved into GCAP. The briefing aimed to outline the program's goals and potential advantages for India.

Both the UK and Italy have since expressed continued interest in India joining the program, with Japan reportedly agreeable to help share the financial and technological load.

During the informal briefing, potential benefits such as access to the same advanced engine technology – possibly led by Rolls-Royce – for both the GCAP aircraft and India's AMCA were discussed. This could potentially streamline development processes. Rolls-Royce, along with France's Safran, has also proposed developing a powerful 110-130 kN engine for the AMCA, offering full intellectual property rights to India.

Nevertheless, the IAF official stressed that this briefing did not result in any agreements, and India's primary focus remains solidly on developing the AMCA.

The AMCA represents India's premier indigenous fighter program, designed as a 5.5-generation aircraft incorporating technologies that bridge the gap between current 5th-generation fighters (like the Rafale or F-35) and future 6th-generation concepts.

Key features planned for the AMCA include high levels of stealth, the ability to sustain supersonic speeds without afterburners (supercruise), advanced artificial intelligence-integrated avionics, and sophisticated sensors.

The first flight is targeted for 2028, with squadron induction planned around 2035. The IAF intends to acquire 126 AMCA jets by 2040. Initial Mk1 versions will use the General Electric F414 engine, while the later Mk2 variant is planned to feature a more powerful 110-130 kN thrust engine, co-developed with an international partner – a contract currently competed for by Rolls-Royce, Safran, and GE.

Despite invitations to join other international next-generation fighter programs, such as GCAP and the Future Combat Air System (FCAS) being developed by France, Germany, and Spain, India has consistently prioritised its domestic AMCA project.

The IAF official emphasized that the successful development and induction of the AMCA is seen as a crucial stepping stone, building the technological foundation necessary for India to eventually develop its own indigenous 6th-generation fighter, potentially starting in the 2040s for induction around 2050. This long-term approach reflects India's strategic goal of achieving technological independence in critical defence areas.
 
This story must have been purposely spread to get a better deal on F35/SU-57, probably same with getting Rafale F4 on G2G to extract more TOT and get a better price from other OEMs.
 
India should at least the observer member of such programs will get some insight and knowledge of future techs and how to master such techs and will helps in India's future fighter aircraft programs and also helps in up gradation of AMCA techs.
 
That's what I commented a few days ago, and my comment was deleted. IAF hasn't shown any interest and will not show any.
 
IAF is a joke right now. AMCA will not become reality before 2040-45. India should think about joining other defence programmes with foreign countries. India has already made a blunder by cancelling FGFA programme with Russia otherwise India could have gotten 5th gen jets until now. India should not repeat the same mistake again. China is already flying 6th gen jet. Pakistan is getting 5th gen jet from China as well. Things are getting bad to worse for India. 2025 is the make or break year for IAF. Take a decision faster. Time is running out for IAF.
 
IAF is a joke right now. AMCA will not become reality before 2040-45. India should think about joining other defence programmes with foreign countries. India has already made a blunder by cancelling FGFA programme with Russia otherwise India could have gotten 5th gen jets until now. India should not repeat the same mistake again. China is already flying 6th gen jet. Pakistan is getting 5th gen jet from China as well. Things are getting bad to worse for India. 2025 is the make or break year for IAF. Take a decision faster. Time is running out for IAF.
IAF is a disaster at least they should learn from Navy how to do procurements and support indigenized weapons and platforms.
With less budget given to navy among all three defence forces Navy is most efficient in utilizing their budget.
 
India should at least the observer member of such programs will get some insight and knowledge of future techs and how to master such techs and will helps in India's future fighter aircraft programs and also helps in up gradation of AMCA techs.
No, doesn't work that way. Just being a member doesn't mean that countries will share know-how and know-why of critical technologies.

Example, being the case of F-35 program. While the F-35 has partners at multiple levels, only the UK and Israel can claim to have benifited off as a partner. Rest of the partners have received barely any meaningful technology transfer.

As laggards in the aerospace sector, there is nothing we bring to the table in lieu of which the western powers will share their piece of technology barter with us.
 
No, doesn't work that way. Just being a member doesn't mean that countries will share know-how and know-why of critical technologies.

Example, being the case of F-35 program. While the F-35 has partners at multiple levels, only the UK and Israel can claim to have benifited off as a partner. Rest of the partners have received barely any meaningful technology transfer.

As laggards in the aerospace sector, there is nothing we bring to the table in lieu of which the western powers will share their piece of technology barter with us.
UK what learn from f35 is incorporating in there tempest/gcap program as BEA system a British company was one they key partners in F35 development and also leading partner of gcap/ tempest program.
while majority of European partners don't have there aerospace sectors nor have budget to fund such program they rely sole on joint development like GCAP, FCAS, TYPHOON.

Isreal don't make jets because of America not allow them as americans want to safeguard there export market of there jets and Israel being one of there main importer + IAI lavi was at that time going to be direct competitor of America's f16 so America forced them to stop making jets thus IAI sold there lavi project to china which is today we call it as j10 as to gain some return from there lavi developmental and prototype construction cost.
same goes for Japan, Australia etc neither have aerospace sector nor America allow them to make jets to safeguard there defence trade.

only exception is South Korea America won't stop them in making jets and you can see that the knowledge gain from f35 program is helping them in KF21 program

we are lagging in aerospace sector because we don't have technical knowledge and skills and only we can achieve knowledge and skills when we work with such companies or project which are having such skills by not working in such projects we won't gain anything.
 
Visionary decision by GOI. This will give push to our AMCA and now surely will be inducted by 2040. Also now GOI is going for G2G deal for 110 Rafales. Budget constraints are also there.
 
IAF is a joke right now. AMCA will not become reality before 2040-45. India should think about joining other defence programmes with foreign countries. India has already made a blunder by cancelling FGFA programme with Russia otherwise India could have gotten 5th gen jets until now. India should not repeat the same mistake again. China is already flying 6th gen jet. Pakistan is getting 5th gen jet from China as well. Things are getting bad to worse for India. 2025 is the make or break year for IAF. Take a decision faster. Time is running out for IAF.
Hahaha...FGFA/Su-57? Even Russia is cancelling 70% of its own orders and China refused to buy it as well, saying it is far too inferior to J-20. So, IAF actually did the best possible thing to pull out of FGFA.
 
IAF is a disaster at least they should learn from Navy how to do procurements and support indigenized weapons and platforms.
With less budget given to navy among all three defence forces Navy is most efficient in utilizing their budget.
Look at what happened when even the Navy tried to deal with HAL. Or not deal with them.

Remember Tejas Mk2? HAL/ADA kept lying to Navy, and finally Navy had to cancel the program after wasting massive sums of money as well as time on it.

Remember NUH? Navy insisted on keeping HAL out of the tender, but HAL butted in, and the program is now in limbo with no solution in sight.

So it's not an IAF problem. It's a HAL sized problem. No one can deal with them.
 
Should jump on this opportunity and develop the AMCA in parallel. We all know just how trustworthy HAL is. That way, if there are delays, and there will be, at least we'll be assured of having a modern fighter within a given timeline.
 
India shouldn’t decide on joining any foreign program at all. We need to focus more on developing the AMCA and Tejas jets as they will allow us to be more self reliant. We can’t keep making foreign expensive partnerships and joint ventures and we have to go through the long and difficult process on designing, developing and manufacturing our jets to high standards.
 
It would be a good idea to join GCAP along with Japan as India will benefit in a big way from such participation. Even if we do not get full IPR, it is fine, as long as we have control over supply chain and not bother about export. Let us focus on acquiring technology and being part of global supply chain first. AMCA will anyway continue on its own path.
 
This story must have been purposely spread to get a better deal on F35/SU-57, probably same with getting Rafale F4 on G2G to extract more TOT and get a better price from other OEMs.
Why would they need India when Saudi wants to join the program and finance it, eventually UAE will also join, so SU-57 for MRFA written all over it, Rafale can only be sold to the Dumb Arabs lying to them that they are same as F35, Rafale brokers here will be heart broken soon.
 
Look at what happened when even the Navy tried to deal with HAL. Or not deal with them.

Remember Tejas Mk2? HAL/ADA kept lying to Navy, and finally Navy had to cancel the program after wasting massive sums of money as well as time on it.

Remember NUH? Navy insisted on keeping HAL out of the tender, but HAL butted in, and the program is now in limbo with no solution in sight.

So it's not an IAF problem. It's a HAL sized problem. No one can deal with them.
HAL is a problem too, but you can't clap with a single hand. What about the MRFA deal? MRFA has nothing to do with HAL, so why is it still pending since 2012? What is the IAF doing? The Navy is also working with DPSUs, and their projects are progressing quite well. Thus, blaming only DPSUs won't give anything. If DPSUs were highly inefficient, then the Navy would also not be getting any ships. The Navy is controlling these DPSUs quite well; thus, their projects are not struggling as much as the IAF's.
 
Visionary decision by GOI. This will give push to our AMCA and now surely will be inducted by 2040. Also now GOI is going for G2G deal for 110 Rafales. Budget constraints are also there.
GOI is not designing and producing AMCA or Tejas Mk2. They can just allocate money to that company whose forces are working with. Ask IAF why they didn't back AMCA from the start. Why did they go with FGFA, and if they went with FGFA, then why leave it? Why is IAF not able to conclude MRFA? If IAF had backed AMCA seriously from day one, then at least by now we would have a prototype.
 
Hahaha...FGFA/Su-57? Even Russia is cancelling 70% of its own orders and China refused to buy it as well, saying it is far too inferior to J-20. So, IAF actually did the best possible thing to pull out of FGFA.
Cancelling 70% of its order - says no to the recently added 2 Su-57.

They are being inducted but at a lower rate because in Ukraine Su-35, Su-30, and Su-34 are more useful.

I don't know where your bias comes from for Russian things, and why would China buy it if they have their own stealth jet which itself is a ripoff of the MiG 1.44 (a claim which is viable as agreements did take place between MiG and China in the early 2000s).

The main reason IAF pulled out of FGFA was ToT as Russians were reluctant to transfer technologies. It wanted India as a partner because even by your words, Su-57 is less stealthy than a Rafale (unrealistic compared to a loaded Rafale, but still let's say). It is miles better than Su-30 MKI.

At that time, Super Sukhoi isn't upgrading entirely any time soon, and your first Rafale will enter service for the navy not before 2030.
 
Cancelling 70% of its order - says no to the recently added 2 Su-57.

They are being inducted but at a lower rate because in Ukraine Su-35, Su-30, and Su-34 are more useful.

I don't know where your bias comes from for Russian things, and why would China buy it if they have their own stealth jet which itself is a ripoff of the MiG 1.44 (a claim which is viable as agreements did take place between MiG and China in the early 2000s).

The main reason IAF pulled out of FGFA was ToT as Russians were reluctant to transfer technologies. It wanted India as a partner because even by your words, Su-57 is less stealthy than a Rafale (unrealistic compared to a loaded Rafale, but still let's say). It is miles better than Su-30 MKI.

At that time, Super Sukhoi isn't upgrading entirely any time soon, and your first Rafale will enter service for the navy not before 2030.
Ummm...no. They actually cancelled Su57 orders in 2020 itself, and ordered more Su35. That was well before the war. So it's not my biasness but yours.

And why would China buy? Because they do. Whenever something is available in Russia that's better (as Russia is the only nation ready to supply them weapons), they take a few and reverse engineer. Like they had J10 but still bought Su35 and made J11. Or had their own SAMs but bought S400.

And nope. India specifically pulled out because it was a jet that wasn't good enough. Ex-CDS is on record saying that we are even ready to buy it off the shelf if it meets our requirements in the future. So no, it wasn't reluctance to share tech but the sheer bad quality of the product.

I never said Su57 is less stealthy than Rafale. I said it is inferior to Rafale. Stealth is one way to achieve superiority. And these are not my words. This is a conclusion based on evidence at hand. IAF refused FGFA and went with MRFA (where Rafale is almost guaranteed to win). Russia cancelled Su57 orders and went with Su35, which has been defeated by Rafale in Egypt.

And you think Su57 will enter service tomorrow? 🤣🤣🤣
 
HAL is a problem too, but you can't clap with a single hand. What about the MRFA deal? MRFA has nothing to do with HAL, so why is it still pending since 2012? What is the IAF doing? The Navy is also working with DPSUs, and their projects are progressing quite well. Thus, blaming only DPSUs won't give anything. If DPSUs were highly inefficient, then the Navy would also not be getting any ships. The Navy is controlling these DPSUs quite well; thus, their projects are not struggling as much as the IAF's.
Since 2012? Bro, till 2015 it was HAL who was negotiating MMRCA deal. It was only in 2016, after order for 36 Rafales was signed, that MoD decided to go with fresh MRFA. And till 2021, then CDS was on record saying that they haven't decided whether to buy the planes in tranches or all in one go. IAF had then mentioned that they are clear that they want all 114 in one go. It was MoD which was not clearing the file.

And talk specifically about HAL bro. IAF is unhappy with them. IN is unhappy with them. Ecuador literally sued them. IAF is also handling well when it comes to inducting armored vehicles from private vendors or Brahmos from Brahmos Aerospace or drones from various vendors. No one is able to control HAL and ADA. That is the problem.
 
Imagine going for a 4th Gen Jet for MRFA who's complete induction (114no.s) will go beyond 2045 & will get obsolete in 5/10 years when 6th Gen Jets start arriving.
Atleast use MRFA money to buy any 5th Gen Jet which we can operate till 2070.
 
Ummm...no. They actually cancelled Su57 orders in 2020 itself, and ordered more Su35. That was well before the war. So it's not my biasness but yours.

And why would China buy? Because they do. Whenever something is available in Russia that's better (as Russia is the only nation ready to supply them weapons), they take a few and reverse engineer. Like they had J10 but still bought Su35 and made J11. Or had their own SAMs but bought S400.

And nope. India specifically pulled out because it was a jet that wasn't good enough. Ex-CDS is on record saying that we are even ready to buy it off the shelf if it meets our requirements in the future. So no, it wasn't reluctance to share tech but the sheer bad quality of the product.

I never said Su57 is less stealthy than Rafale. I said it is inferior to Rafale. Stealth is one way to achieve superiority. And these are not my words. This is a conclusion based on evidence at hand. IAF refused FGFA and went with MRFA (where Rafale is almost guaranteed to win). Russia cancelled Su57 orders and went with Su35, which has been defeated by Rafale in Egypt.

And you think Su57 will enter service tomorro
 
Ummm...no. They actually cancelled Su57 orders in 2020 itself, and ordered more Su35. That was well before the war. So it's not my biasness but yours.

And why would China buy? Because they do. Whenever something is available in Russia that's better (as Russia is the only nation ready to supply them weapons), they take a few and reverse engineer. Like they had J10 but still bought Su35 and made J11. Or had their own SAMs but bought S400.

And nope. India specifically pulled out because it was a jet that wasn't good enough. Ex-CDS is on record saying that we are even ready to buy it off the shelf if it meets our requirements in the future. So no, it wasn't reluctance to share tech but the sheer bad quality of the product.

I never said Su57 is less stealthy than Rafale. I said it is inferior to Rafale. Stealth is one way to achieve superiority. And these are not my words. This is a conclusion based on evidence at hand. IAF refused FGFA and went with MRFA (where Rafale is almost guaranteed to win). Russia cancelled Su57 orders and went with Su35, which has been defeated by Rafale in Egypt.

And you think Su57 will enter service tomorrow? 🤣

Ummm...no. They actually cancelled Su57 orders in 2020 itself, and ordered more Su35. That was well before the war. So it's not my biasness but yours.

And why would China buy? Because they do. Whenever something is available in Russia that's better (as Russia is the only nation ready to supply them weapons), they take a few and reverse engineer. Like they had J10 but still bought Su35 and made J11. Or had their own SAMs but bought S400.

And nope. India specifically pulled out because it was a jet that wasn't good enough. Ex-CDS is on record saying that we are even ready to buy it off the shelf if it meets our requirements in the future. So no, it wasn't reluctance to share tech but the sheer bad quality of the product.

I never said Su57 is less stealthy than Rafale. I said it is inferior to Rafale. Stealth is one way to achieve superiority. And these are not my words. This is a conclusion based on evidence at hand. IAF refused FGFA and went with MRFA (where Rafale is almost guaranteed to win). Russia cancelled Su57 orders and went with Su35, which has been defeated by Rafale in Egypt.

And you think Su57 will enter service tomorrow? 🤣🤣🤣
You must have poor understanding of fighter jet technology if you believe a 4th gen rafale is anyway comparable to a 5th gen su57. Su57 is a league above it if you actually study it's capabilities.
 
India should focus on 5th generation indigenious AMCA and a110kn jointventure engine with involvement of Indian publicsector and private companies.
Next step could be indigenious 6th generation aircraft and indigenious 120 to 140kN engine.
 
Why would they need India when Saudi wants to join the program and finance it, eventually UAE will also join, so SU-57 for MRFA written all over it, Rafale can only be sold to the Dumb Arabs lying to them that they are same as F35, Rafale brokers here will be heart broken soon.
I have read many sources that the Saudis want GCAP
UK and Italy are all for it
Just need Japanese approval
 

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