India Unlikely to Join FCAS and GCAP 6th-Gen Fighter Jet Programs, Seeks to Focus on Indigenous AMCA Development

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India appears poised to decline offers to join international 6th-generation fighter jet programs, opting instead to concentrate on its own Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) project.

Despite receiving proposals from Germany and Spain to participate in the Future Combat Air System (FCAS) and an invitation from the UK-Japan-Italy consortium to join the Global Combat Air Program (GCAP), India remains committed to its indigenous AMCA.

While official discussions with the UK regarding GCAP have been confirmed, India has not publicly acknowledged the German and Spanish proposals. This suggests a strong inclination towards self-reliance in developing its next-generation fighter capabilities.

The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and the Indian Air Force (IAF) have emphasized their focus on the AMCA, a 5.5-generation fighter designed to bridge the gap between current 5th-generation technology and future 6th-generation platforms. The AMCA is expected to incorporate advanced stealth capabilities, supercruise functionality, and cutting-edge avionics.

DRDO asserts that the AMCA will integrate technologies often associated with 6th-generation fighters, such as artificial intelligence, advanced sensors, and low-observability features. The AMCA is slated for initial induction by 2035, with its development providing valuable experience for a full-fledged 6th-generation project post-2040.

The AMCA's design philosophy aims to position it as a “5.5-generation” platform, incorporating significant advancements over existing 5th-generation fighters. This includes features like directed energy weapons and AI-assisted mission management systems.

Although declining to join the FCAS or GCAP programs at this stage, India recognizes the importance of developing a 6th-generation platform in the long term. The AMCA's success is expected to lay the groundwork for future projects, with the development of a 6th-generation fighter anticipated to commence in the 2040s, targeting induction by 2050.
 
Last I checked, none of the GCAP participants except Japan have developed a 5th generation jet either. The simple fact is that this is a very costly endeavour, hence you have multiple nations teaming up. Do remember that even the F-35 was a multi-national program.
Last time I checked France and Germany neither Spain didn't have technology development for 5gen.... Unlike Japan, Italy and UK have a hands on of development for certain systems for 5gen they even have experience or know-how knowledge of it so skipping it bypass it's needs to developing 5gen, because they are one of the developer of f35 systems and they have other systems beyond applicable for f35....
 
I believe that they're inviting us to share the development cost and buy fully built crafts as a partner and keep importing their expensive components here for 'local' production. So, India's participation in their program is good business proposition for them.

Whether, India gets anything worthwhile out of that deal is a million dollar question!
 
This is plain stupidity. Having experienced the truths about claims by oru DPSUs until now any idiot will know that it's even worse than day dreaming.
we should join or atleast be an observer in these programs so that we can get whatever knowledge why and know how from the more advanced nations.
 
I think you should join the GCAP program. Why try and do things yourself when your security is in a critical situation. There is nothing wrong with partnerships and building allies. By the time the fighter is ready, India's economy will be much larger than it is today. You can afford it especially if you are the 3rd largest economy in the world. If your internal development is delayed or is not competitive then what will you do? Join the GCAP and learn valuable intel on 6 gen technology. It will also help ramp up your manufacturing giving you the technical expertise to build other next generation weapons.
 
The moment we say Indian can't make 4th Gen with 50KN or above thrust aren't we assuming that we can easily develope 3rd Gen 50KN engine?

When China shows fighters with higher thrust certainly that proves their claim of overcoming thrust issue should be believable.

In contrast, where is our actual short coming? Is it Gen or Thrust? Or both of them?
 
I don't understanding the logic why India can't join FCAS or GCAP while simultaneously pursuing AMCA program, when India 's economy is doing well and poised to grow further?
Can any explain please?
 
Wait, let the final output come out. We will have several options to buy ( 6th gen) if our AMCA fails to pan out as expected.

It is important to build inhouse eco system
 
Being self reliant is a good thing.. but we should start with the ordinary household items first... Life furniture, electronic items, washing machines, cooking ovens, air conditioners, plastic items etc and even defense related items like ammunition, engines, motors, gen sets etc...but we should not be delaying the acquisition of fighter aircraft, awacs and other special role aircraft until HAL and the DRDO Get their act together. This has already put India at a disadvantage and the situation will get extremely worse if we wait another 5-10+ years to field the required number of squadrons as we're already behind by that many years... Why we keep giving these PSUs our hard earned money - that we can ill afford - seems to be very very stupid and is going to cost us dearly. Change the management or change policy as we are heading for a major disaster if we don't change our acquisition policy.
 
Focus on making the Tejas an all-out success. That will give you everything you need to develop and manufacture other planes at high speed. Who the heck advises these people?
 
Join the program. 5 and 6 generation aircraft are super complex. Even the USA has had to collaborate with other countries.. EU as well obviously.
India now is so far behind, best they have partners for this. Continue with AMCA if you like ad a longer term solution
 
It would be better to involve Indian private sectors in planning and research, adopton of new technology, building of capacities in future tech etc, rather than outright joining hand and spending money in joint ventures, were time and money is wasted by public sector without much gain.
 
India doesn't want to join other countries for development of 6th generation planes due to lack of fund. Either it will have scrap AMCA or allocate more funds from budget. Allocation from budget means discontinuing freebies, which no political party will dare to.
 
India should be part of both programs and develop AMCA as well. Each is having unique tech and India can leverage from them. We have good amount of money to be part of all these. And those who support only Atma nirbharta, I say to them that all these will be manufactured in India once agreements take place. Yes it's costly for us. But think if Nehru stepped back building the dams, Homi Bhabha stepped back from building Nuclear facilities, if Vajpayee did not press the button, India would have been at rock bottom now. These are all future investments. If given this chance to China it will pay even double amount to grab it. At the same time, I highly push for Indegenization of all these tech.
 

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