NATO Membership Complicates Potential BrahMos Deal for Greece

Greece's top military official, General Dimitrios Choupis, recently wrapped up a trip to India aimed at boosting defense cooperation between the two countries. While there's been buzz in Indian media about Greece potentially buying a cutting-edge missile system, a deal seems unlikely anytime soon.

The missile in question is the BrahMos, a supersonic cruise missile developed with Russia – a serious weapon with the power to shift the balance at sea. But Greece's membership in NATO, the Western military alliance, throws up some hurdles. Getting the BrahMos to work smoothly with existing NATO systems would be a major challenge. Plus, other NATO countries might frown upon Greece buying a major weapons system from outside the alliance.

There's also the elephant in the room: Russia. As a partner in the BrahMos project, Russia might not be thrilled with the idea of selling it to Greece, a country actively supporting Ukraine against the Russian invasion. Moscow could easily block it.

So, if the BrahMos is off the table, what did they talk about? Chances are, the focus was on building broader defense cooperation. Think things like joint military drills, sharing information, and maybe even exploring ways to work together on developing new defense technologies.

 

[Bharat007]

It is a waste. I already knew due to Ukraine factor, Russia will surely veto. Days ago, Greece transferred a battery of Patriots system to Ukraine.

 

[Baiju Bhaskaran]

Don't waste time. Neither Russia or NATO will allow integration of both systems.

 

[Pink Panther]

They are getting 40 F35’s.

 

[ASHOK CARROL]

ATAGS , MARGS, 105 mm mounted and kalyani lightweight guns , Bharat forge armoured vehicles , TATAS and MAHINDRAS Ashok leyland Stallions , Arjun tanks , Small arms , bullet proof jackets , helmets , night vision scopes , and a lot of other equipment developed in India can be sold to Greece .First positioning of Defence Attaches,Army , navy Airforce is a must .

 

[Provocateur Extraordinaire]

As usual an armchair general passing himself off as strategist and a knowledgeable defense expert. Can happen only on a fluff website like this. Whether Brahmos makes it to Greece, only time will tell but not for the reasons mentioned here. Does Turkey with its acquisition of S 400 ring a bell? Has it been thrown out of NATO yet? Anyone think Turkey is not supporting Ukraine as a matter of policy since it is an integral part of NATO? As for the Russians, they'd want countries to buy their systems, one that has already been peddled to a country that has a security pact with US, the Philippines, only for the reason it'd give them leverage later on.

 

[beencensured]

As usual an armchair general passing himself off as strategist and a knowledgeable defense expert. Can happen only on a fluff website like this. Whether Brahmos makes it to Greece, only time will tell but not for the reasons mentioned here. Does Turkey with its acquisition of S 400 ring a bell? Has it been thrown out of NATO yet? Anyone think Turkey is not supporting Ukraine as a matter of policy since it is an integral part of NATO? As for the Russians, they'd want countries to buy their systems, one that has already been peddled to a country that has a security pact with US, the Philippines, only for the reason it'd give them leverage later on.

Further, Greece had bought Russian's s-300

 

[Sandeep]

Greece can still buy and use this as a standalone system without installing it with the rest of NATO radars, systems, software, network etc which will bypass any restrictions or refusal from other NATO country. The main question is does Greece need such a system? Can't it get a similar NATO approved missile system? Greece doesn't have any enemies and there's no urgent need for them to suddenly buy such a system from us. It's better to concentrate selling them with our other indigenous weapons like guns, grenade, machine gun, RPG, MBRL, artillery, missiles, body armour, EW etc.

 

[Gobbra]

Greece can still buy and use this as a standalone system without installing it with the rest of NATO radars, systems, software, network etc which will bypass any restrictions or refusal from other NATO country. The main question is does Greece need such a system? Can't it get a similar NATO approved missile system? Greece doesn't have any enemies and there's no urgent need for them to suddenly buy such a system from us. It's better to concentrate selling them with our other indigenous weapons like guns, grenade, machine gun, RPG, MBRL, artillery, missiles, body armour, EW etc.

Greece does not have any enemies? Which world do you live in! Hello

 

[BCharlie]

They are getting 40 F35’s.

WHY NOT ? THEY ARE WH I TOS , N A TO AND NOT WH I TO MU S LIMS LIKE TUR KEY; THATS WHY TU R KEY WILL NOT, NEVER GET F-35s;

 

[Pink Panther]

WHY NOT ? THEY ARE WH I TOS , N A TO AND NOT WH I TO MU S LIMS LIKE TUR KEY; THATS WHY TU R KEY WILL NOT, NEVER GET F-35s;

We can’t sell Greece Brahmos either because of this.

 

[Anant]

WHY NOT ? THEY ARE WH I TOS , N A TO AND NOT WH I TO MU S LIMS LIKE TUR KEY; THATS WHY TU R KEY WILL NOT, NEVER GET F-35s;

Turkey isn't getting F-35s because the US doesn't like the fact that they purchased the S-400 system. Their religion doesn't have anything to do with it, as far as the 'modern liberal' (read 'being overtaken in their own home nations') West is concerned.

 

[Anant]

As usual an armchair general passing himself off as strategist and a knowledgeable defense expert. Can happen only on a fluff website like this. Whether Brahmos makes it to Greece, only time will tell but not for the reasons mentioned here. Does Turkey with its acquisition of S 400 ring a bell? Has it been thrown out of NATO yet? Anyone think Turkey is not supporting Ukraine as a matter of policy since it is an integral part of NATO? As for the Russians, they'd want countries to buy their systems, one that has already been peddled to a country that has a security pact with US, the Philippines, only for the reason it'd give them leverage later on.

Turkey hasn't been thrown out of NATO because it has its uses there. Turkey is the boogey-man within NATO, but they have a role in NATO trying to face off Russia, which is the big boogey-man for them. Regardless, Turkey has maintained a policy of being nominally neutral in the conflict while conforming to NATO's pro-Ukraine policy. Why? Two reasons, primarily:

Firstly, Turkey and Russia have decent relations with each other, and Turkey is dependent on Russia for a lot of things. That has also allowed them to position themselves as a potential mediator, which would bring Erdogan a lot of clout and further his ambitions of resurrecting the Ottoman Empire.

Secondly, Turkey still sees Russia as a long-term geopolitical challenge in the Black Sea. As a result, they will want a counterbalance in the region, and Ukraine pretty much fits that bill, especially if Russia's invasion ends on bad terms for them.

As for the Philippines' purchase of the BrahMos, it gives Russia little leverage. Yes, the sale does help their case in the Philippines' case long-term, but the limited scope of the purchase means that said leverage is nowhere near what they would like. Worst case scenario, the US would just send in a few dozen Harpoons and/or Tomahawks in return for the BrahMos being retired. Not that this would happen anytime soon.

 

[Anant]

Further, Greece had bought Russian's s-300

Greece didn't buy the S-300. They got one battery from Cyprus as a result of de-escalating the Cyprus Missile Crisis. Before the current bottleneck for Patriot systems developed, there was the proposal for Greece to transfer the system over to Ukraine in return for a Patriot battery. As such, this may very well still happen once the present bottlenecks resolve to an extent.

 

[Anant]

Greece can still buy and use this as a standalone system without installing it with the rest of NATO radars, systems, software, network etc which will bypass any restrictions or refusal from other NATO country. The main question is does Greece need such a system? Can't it get a similar NATO approved missile system? Greece doesn't have any enemies and there's no urgent need for them to suddenly buy such a system from us. It's better to concentrate selling them with our other indigenous weapons like guns, grenade, machine gun, RPG, MBRL, artillery, missiles, body armour, EW etc.

Greece doesn't have enemies? Have you, perchance, heard of one of their neighbours called Turkey?

 

[Sandeep]

Greece does not have any enemies? Which world do you live in! Hello

It only has border friction with turkey and disagreement with them but they are both NATO members so no chance of armed conflict starting out.

 

[Sandeep]

Greece doesn't have enemies? Have you, perchance, heard of one of their neighbours called Turkey?

They are both NATO members who although they have border friction and dispute they can’t attack each other or fight against them.

 

[Pad UwU]

It's obviously waste of time and effort
Greece is NATO member... Look at Turkiye they are goodie ol shoe Moslem majority country... Buying air defense system from Russia like s400 that is said to be it's mai purpose is destroying stealth target and the new s500 as it's complimentary partner that is main purpose is destroying hypersonic target and space base satellite... Its secondary purpose is targeting 5gen aircraft too....

NATO literally hate everything and anything whenever Russian are involved with to all matters😹😹😹
BTW Russian Federation is like a republican democracy with mix bag of autocracy(imperial monarchy) and some communism/capitalism since the fall of Soviet Union... Russia Federation is not the same as the pure Soviet Communism of the past.... But west still consider it and understand it as same as Soviet 😹😹😹 WTF

 

[Pad UwU]

They are getting 40 F35’s.

I want Turkiye and Greece go stabbing one another again for who's the real boss of Cyprus 😹😹😹