Opinion Tejas Mk1A and Mk2 Export Potential Shackled by US Engines, Funding Indigenous Kaveri 2.0 Needed for India's Global Ambitions

Tejas Mk1A and Mk2 Export Potential Shackled by US Engines, Funding Indigenous Kaveri 2.0 Needed for India's Global Ambitions


India's goal to become a major global defence exporter is facing a critical challenge, with its ambition to sell indigenous Tejas fighter jets being constrained by a reliance on foreign-made components.

Defence experts assert that for India to independently market its Tejas Mk1A and the upcoming Mk2 variants, the government must commit to fully funding the indigenous Kaveri 2.0 engine project.

This strategic investment is seen as essential to break free from the control of international suppliers, particularly the United States, whose American-made engines give it authority over where the Indian aircraft can be sold.

The Tejas Mk1A, a cornerstone of the Indian Air Force's modernisation plans, is currently equipped with the F404 engine from American company General Electric (GE). The more advanced Tejas Mk2 is planned to operate with the more powerful GE F414 engine.

This dependence on U.S. technology places the Tejas program under American export control laws, including the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR).

Consequently, the United States can restrict or veto the sale of these jets to potential international customers based on its own foreign policy and geopolitical interests.

This limitation significantly undermines India's strategic independence and its ability to tap into a growing international demand for affordable, high-performance fighter aircraft.

A homegrown solution, the Kaveri 2.0 engine, is being developed to address this vulnerability. This advanced engine, managed by the Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE), is being designed to provide the necessary power for both the Tejas Mk1A and Mk2 jets.

According to defence analysts, successfully integrating a domestically produced engine would be a game-changer, allowing India to pursue export opportunities without needing clearance from another nation.

Furthermore, offering an aircraft with a fully indigenous engine would greatly enhance its attractiveness to foreign buyers by demonstrating India's technological capabilities and offering more straightforward maintenance and support agreements.

The development of a domestic jet engine has been a long-standing national goal for India.

The original Kaveri engine program, which began in the 1980s, was unable to produce the required thrust and encountered technical difficulties, preventing its use in the Tejas fighters.

However, the revived Kaveri 2.0 project aims to succeed where its predecessor fell short, reportedly benefiting from technological advancements and potential collaboration with international partners like France's Safran.

Experts argue that decisive government funding is now the crucial element needed to accelerate development, complete rigorous testing, and clear the path for the engine's integration into the Tejas fleet, thereby strengthening India's entire aerospace industry.

The international market for lightweight multi-role combat aircraft is highly competitive, featuring jets such as South Korea’s KF-21 Boramae and Turkey’s Kaan.

The Tejas is positioned as a cost-effective and capable option for nations across Asia, Africa, and Latin America, with countries like Argentina, Egypt, and the Philippines having previously shown interest. However, the constraint of foreign-supplied engines remains a primary obstacle.

The call to prioritise and fund the Kaveri 2.0 is therefore not just a technical requirement but a strategic necessity for ensuring the Tejas can compete freely and establish India as a self-reliant and significant power in the global defence market.
 
As a Kattar Hindu, I believe in reincarnation. So, when I am born again, I want to see an engine for Tejas. Atleast not in this life
 
Until corruption is controlled, and getting the best in industry on the best salaries, nothing is gonna happen. See the brain drain even goes to UAE now! They are paying more, so whoever is talented, goes away faster from india! They should confiscate passports of talented people, make contracts harder so that there's fewer brain drain. Add to it the height of corruption from low to ministerial levels, khalaas, Kaveri engines will be like any other flop heroine!
 
How did the Indian Govt fall for an unreliable US partner. It is another matter funds if allotted to Kaveri 2 would go the way funds of Kaveri 1 went
 
Kaveri work is already in progress. BrahMos Aerospace is taking on the afterburner section, and apart from funds, LSP Tejas has been allotted for further testing of the Kaveri engine. Flat-rated technology has already been developed. Most importantly, forget about export restrictions; GE should first aim to deliver GE-404 on time rather than delaying. Their first target is to fulfill the international contract which they have signed. By the time an additional 97 orders are placed, there will be enough time for fine-tuning and refinement of the Kaveri-2 engine with weight reduction and a desired thrust of 85 to 90 kN.
These two tasks cannot be taken in series..... The efforts for delivery of 97 ordered & kaveri 2 by different agencies & has been parrale..
The dev of kaveri 2 is crucial for self reliance
 
As a Kattar Hindu, I believe in reincarnation. So, when I am born again, I want to see an engine for Tejas. Atleast not in this life
😄😄😄...well, that is exactly the condition with Kaveri engine. There were too many weaknesses from the beginning before embarking on the engine project. There was no R & D in place to provide opportunities to develop advanced technologies. There are plenty of highly talented and skilled engineers who could contribute immensely to develop a credible military products. The people in the government none had a vision to propel India into a military technology power house. But none was keen to see India realise its potentials utilising the local expertise to produce Indian made military products.
 
To rely on US or any other country for the engine or any critical defence related equipment is a fatal mistake because no country in the world wants India to become more powerful than it already is. We must pour more money in research and develop our own equipment. It is not a choice , it is a necassessity of our times.
 
To rely on US or any other country for the engine or any critical defence related equipment is a fatal mistake because no country in the world wants India to become more powerful than it already is. We must pour more money in research and develop our own equipment. It is not a choice , it is a necassessity of our times.
Our leaders are nuts. They don't know what, when, why and where to do. This will lead our country to a quagmire situation
 
😄😄😄...well, that is exactly the condition with Kaveri engine. There were too many weaknesses from the beginning before embarking on the engine project. There was no R & D in place to provide opportunities to develop advanced technologies. There are plenty of highly talented and skilled engineers who could contribute immensely to develop a credible military products. The people in the government none had a vision to propel India into a military technology power house. But none was keen to see India realise its potentials utilising the local expertise to produce Indian made military products.
I am really surprised one of the few countries who landed on Moon to its south pole is struggling like a man tied with his hands back to produce a jet engine. There is something horribly wrong going on with Kaveri. High time that the engine should be given to some Indian private players to get it developed. I will never agree that India and its resource of mind cannot deliver the jet engine. Out of the box thinking is required, dedicated minds who will work relentlessly is needed. I would say we are desperately missing our genius Dr. Kalamji.
 
I am really surprised one of the few countries who landed on Moon to its south pole is struggling like a man tied with his hands back to produce a jet engine. There is something horribly wrong going on with Kaveri. High time that the engine should be given to some Indian private players to get it developed. I will never agree that India and its resource of mind cannot deliver the jet engine. Out of the box thinking is required, dedicated minds who will work relentlessly is needed. I would say we are desperately missing our genius Dr. Kalamji.
HAL for last 3-5 knowingly wasting time so managers can make foreign trips with family on our money. Kaveri should have been given to DRDO 5 yrs ago but that would stop foreign trips
 
Bhai we have been hearing Brahmosh after burner for quite sometime. Is it just a rumor to get further funding of Kaveri? Even no updates of recent testing of this engine in Russia. Looks like again it got flopped and hence no updates.
DRDO chief had recently confirmed the use of Kaveri core engine without the afterburner in the Ghatak UCAV..... So it seems the engine is flight worthy and delivering around 50KN for UCAV programme..... But the Brahmos afterburner and use in Tejas MK1A are not confirmed...... It may require 82KN to 85KN to potentially fly the engine in Tejas.......
 
We can't make or get engines for ourselves is a pity so we must get to work earnestly and end this matter . Gives no joy to know all this as last 10 years have been not a failure but slow paced work.
 
We have no power plant to fit Tejas now besides all this US made stuff , why no one got worried that this time will come , when no engin will be there. So Tejas project began in Bajpai govt and over 25 years it's still dependent is a pity. We must get to work more than ever to make an engine and end this talk . This talk of no engine is useless.
 
For want of a nail, a kingdom was lost!

When will we learn?
The Marut story is not enough?
Wake up India!!
 
India can make Kaveri Engine 80/143KN Dry/Wet Thrust easily.
Ok.... If this happens, no need for foreign collaboration.....

What are our requirements?
(1) 25KN Dry thrust / 40Kn with afterburner...... HAL research

(2) 55Kn DT / 85Kn with AB
(3) 65Kn DT / 100Kn AB
(4) 80KN DT / 120Km AB
(5) 90Kn DT / 135Kn AB

But don't know when they will be our reality......

85KN might come soon but that too many take years together.....
🙏🙏🙏

We are always good in our dreams........
 
The Tejas (in all its Marks) is a 'mighty fine' low-cost fighter for SE Asia and Africa.
With the Yanks 'threatening' to supply us with the 414 engine for the Mk2, life couldn't be rosier for HAL.
But, we can expect a repeat of the same 'dialogue' that they gave us for the 404. You can't trust them to stick to timelines, specially with the Don at their helm.
The long and the short : they will ditch us.

GTRE, unfortunately has not been able to 'toe the mark' in this regard and this, not for want of money.
Without somebody holding our hand and teaching us how to make jet engines, I seriously wonder when Kaveri 2.0 will come about.

Am not a pessimist nor one denigrating our institutions. Just a pragmatist.
Will be the happiest man if we succeed in the very near future - will distribute sweets!
 
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The Tejas (in all its Marks) is a 'mighty fine' low-cost fighter for SE Asia and Africa.
With the Yanks 'threatening' to supply us with the 414 engine for the Mk2, life couldn't be rosier for HAL.
But, we can expect a repeat of the same 'dialogue' that they gave us for the 404. You can't trust them to stick to timelines, specially with the Don at their helm.
The long and the short : they will ditch us.

GTRE, unfortunately has not been able to 'toe the mark' in this regard and this, not for want of money.
Without somebody holding our hand and teaching us how to make jet engines, I seriously wonder when Kaveri 2.0 will come about.

Am not a pessimist nor one denigrating our institutions. Just a pragmatist.
Will be the happiest man if we succeed in the very near future - will distribute sweets!
Africans refuse to sign contracts for Tejas, ASEAN countries are interested in buying American, Korean, European or Turkish advanced aircraft such as F-16 Block 70, JAS-39 Gripen E, Rafale F4, KF-21 Boramae, Kaan, why do they need the outdated Tejas? Tejas Mk1 looks like an aircraft from the 90s.
 
Africans refuse to sign contracts for Tejas, ASEAN countries are interested in buying American, Korean, European or Turkish advanced aircraft such as F-16 Block 70, JAS-39 Gripen E, Rafale F4, KF-21 Boramae, Kaan, why do they need the outdated Tejas? Tejas Mk1 looks like an aircraft from the 90s.

This very site has at some point in time spoken about some African countries showing interest in the Tejas; was quoting them.

As regards the fighters you've spoken about, cost is always the deciding factor during the selection process.

If the KF-21 is the way to go, why has the Philippines got into negotiations with HAL about acquiring the Tejas armed with the BrahMos-NG missile? The Indonesians are renegotiating the deal to acquire the KF-21. Many countries have shown interest in the KF-21 but none have bought it so far.

The Tejas has already participated in International air exercises and has performed well.
Ear to the ground.
 
This very site has at some point in time spoken about some African countries showing interest in the Tejas; was quoting them.

As regards the fighters you've spoken about, cost is always the deciding factor during the selection process.

If the KF-21 is the way to go, why has the Philippines got into negotiations with HAL about acquiring the Tejas armed with the BrahMos-NG missile? The Indonesians are renegotiating the deal to acquire the KF-21. Many countries have shown interest in the KF-21 but none have bought it so far.

The Tejas has already participated in International air exercises and has performed well.
Ear to the ground.
The Philippines has withdrawn Tejas from fighter procurement . The KF-21 is also in question there, the Philippines is leaning towards buying the Gripen E after seeing the price of the F-16V Block 70. The F-2 option looks like a fantasy. Tejas has lost all the tenders where it was presented, Botswana is no longer interested in this fighter, as is Nigeria. Egypt has refused the offer for Tejas, most likely it will buy the J-10C.

Indonesia is just a scammer without money. They should have been kicked out of the KF-21 program a long time ago, but now they have reduced their share in the project, confirming the purchase of fighters. It is also unclear where they will find the money for the Kaan, and the terms of the Rafale deal are hidden. They wanted to pay for the Su-35 with palm oil

Thailand has already confirmed the purchase of JAS-39E/F, Singapore bought F-35, Myanmar bought Su-30SM and JF-17, Indonesia will buy KF-21, Rafale, Kaan, Brunei and Cambodia have no plans to buy fighters, Malaysia bought FA-50 and will buy F/A-18 Hornet from Kuwait, Philippines is looking at Gripen. Vietnam is likely to buy F-16V, Laos J-10C. East Timor doesn't have money for aircraft.

Tejas in its current form is obsolete. Tejas Mk1A is a prototype, Tejas Mk2 is just a CGI(Currently). All of the above aircraft are either in serial production, or in the process of launching serial production (KF-21 in 2026, Kaan in 2028), or are widely represented on the secondary market (F/A-18).
 
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The Philippines has withdrawn Tejas from fighter procurement . The KF-21 is also in question there, the Philippines is leaning towards buying the Gripen E after seeing the price of the F-16V Block 70. The F-2 option looks like a fantasy. Tejas has lost all the tenders where it was presented, Botswana is no longer interested in this fighter, as is Nigeria. Egypt has refused the offer for Tejas, most likely it will buy the J-10C.

Indonesia is just a scammer without money. They should have been kicked out of the KF-21 program a long time ago, but now they have reduced their share in the project, confirming the purchase of fighters. It is also unclear where they will find the money for the Kaan, and the terms of the Rafale deal are hidden. They wanted to pay for the Su-35 with palm oil

Thailand has already confirmed the purchase of JAS-39E/F, Singapore bought F-35, Myanmar bought Su-30SM and JF-17, Indonesia will buy KF-21, Rafale, Kaan, Brunei and Cambodia have no plans to buy fighters, Malaysia bought FA-50 and will buy F/A-18 Hornet from Kuwait, Philippines is looking at Gripen. Vietnam is likely to buy F-16V, Laos J-10C. East Timor doesn't have money for aircraft.

Tejas in its current form is obsolete. Tejas Mk1A is a prototype, Tejas Mk2 is just a CGI(Currently). All of the above aircraft are either in serial production, or in the process of launching serial production (KF-21 in 2026, Kaan in 2028), or are widely represented on the secondary market (F/A-18).

Please quote the report that says that Philippines has pulled out of the Tejas interaction.
We are going round in circles talking about the pros and cons of other fighters. Will do is not good enough.
Like I said, price is always the deciding factor and none of the offerings can beat the cost and maintainability of the Tejas.

Everyone has an opinion and you are more than welcome to yours.
Have better things to do than to go around in circles.
Have a great day.
 
Please quote the report that says that Philippines has pulled out of the Tejas interaction.
We are going round in circles talking about the pros and cons of other fighters. Will do is not good enough.
Like I said, price is always the deciding factor and none of the offerings can beat the cost and maintainability of the Tejas.

Everyone has an opinion and you are more than welcome to yours.
Have better things to do than to go around in circles.
Have a great day.
Isn't it funny, the maintainability of the Tejas, which suffers from a shortage of engines discontinued from production? In terms of characteristics, it is only slightly better than the Mirage 2000, the export price is unknown. So, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, Myanmar have already signed firm contracts for the supply of aircraft, Laos is a zone of influence of China, where Beijing wants to sell the J-10C. That leaves Vietnam, which wants the F-16V and the Philippines, which are leaning towards the Gripen, the rest of the ASEAN countries do not have combat aircraft at all. It is possible to expand the geography to all of Asia - Iran is immediately out of the question due to sanctions, Kazakhstan ordered the Su-30SM, Mongolia has no plans to purchase fighters, Sri Lanka chose the Kfir, Bangladesh is an enemy of India. In Africa, Botswana and Egypt have refused to purchase Tejas, in Europe there are no prospects at all, there is already a 5th generation(F-35, Su-57) and the 6th is being developed. South America is choosing either the F-16 (Argentina, Chile) or the Gripen (Colombia, Brazil, Peru), Venezuela bought Su-30.

 

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