USAF Report Reveals Unexpected Weakness in Pakistan's J-10CEs

Remember how Pakistan got those shiny new J-10CE fighter jets? Well, a leaked report from the US Air Force (USAF) throws some shade on their potential dominance in the sky. Here's the deal:

Pakistan hoped these jets, armed with China's fancy PL-15E missiles, would give them a big advantage over India's air force. The PL-15E boasts a super-long range, supposedly hitting enemy planes from way out. But according to the USAF report, that long range might be a bit of a tall tale.

Turns out, these missiles might not be as powerful as advertised. The report suggests they only reach their top range under very specific conditions, like the fighter jet launching them needing to be flying super fast and super high. Real-world combat situations are messy, so the USAF estimates the missiles' actual effective range is more like 65 miles – not quite the knockout punch Pakistan might have been hoping for.

Here's the kicker: This range is roughly what Pakistan's older F-16s can already achieve with their missiles. So, all that hype about the J-10CEs and PL-15Es giving Pakistan a big edge? The USAF report suggests it might not be that big of a deal after all.

Meanwhile, India's got its own long-range missiles that could potentially outrange the PL-15E according to the report. So, things might be a bit more balanced in the air than Pakistan was hoping for.

 

[Akshat]

Any other time I would have gone with your joke but after the balakot fiasco I'm not so sure. There is a big question mark on the competence of IAF fatcats, those at the very top. The rot was first evident with the Ty agi chap. The IAF brass wants nothing short of futuristic wonder weapons big ticket items but could not think ahead of sourcing low expense items like SDR for its existing planes. Abhinandan was shot down because his mig21 did not have it and his legacy radio was jammed and he couldn't heed the ground controller's warning of threats ahead. Then they also did the balakot strike without recording it blaming low cloud cover. Balakot was a deterrent public relations exercise and it's recording was a must. That is why the pa kis can get away with the narrative of few craters and trees felled along with a crow. The shooting down of its own helicopter was another mark of incompetence. The chopper crew did not have their iff transponder on and the ad unit could not understand that a slow flying machine at 250 odd knots on its radar so deep inside its own territory was not a hostile supersonic warplane as they thought. Or did they think pa kis could penentrate deep inside with a lone chopper in that time of heightened war nerves? The mind boggles. Basically the entire sorry spectacle reflects lack of good leadership.

IAF had already ordered SDR and even long range BVRs well before the attack. But the tender as usual took its own sweet time. Even long range BVRs were ordered but were delivered afterwards.

 

[Akshat]

Leaked us intelligence reports will be atleast intelligent enough to support American weapons. The fact remains that PAF remains a professional force and knows exactly what it is buying and what it needs to do to keep its edge over its adversaries. Let us not underestimate our adversaries just because they are on the otherside.

Professional force who knows what it needs to do to keep its edge? Its edge? Can you please tell me which war has it ever won? In its entire history?

 

[Bhishma]

Any other time I would have gone with your joke but after the balakot fiasco I'm not so sure. There is a big question mark on the competence of IAF fatcats, those at the very top. The rot was first evident with the Ty agi chap. The IAF brass wants nothing short of futuristic wonder weapons big ticket items but could not think ahead of sourcing low expense items like SDR for its existing planes. Abhinandan was shot down because his mig21 did not have it and his legacy radio was jammed and he couldn't heed the ground controller's warning of threats ahead. Then they also did the balakot strike without recording it blaming low cloud cover. Balakot was a deterrent public relations exercise and it's recording was a must. That is why the pa kis can get away with the narrative of few craters and trees felled along with a crow. The shooting down of its own helicopter was another mark of incompetence. The chopper crew did not have their iff transponder on and the ad unit could not understand that a slow flying machine at 250 odd knots on its radar so deep inside its own territory was not a hostile supersonic warplane as they thought. Or did they think pa kis could penentrate deep inside with a lone chopper in that time of heightened war nerves? The mind boggles. Basically the entire sorry spectacle reflects lack of good leadership.

lol, dear ISI psyops wing, lets go through these facts:

1. Pakistan has admitted that Indian jets entered Pak air space
2. Pakistan has admitted that they did not shoot down any Indian jet during the said "BaLaKoT fIaSScO" - which is a complete failure of Pakistani air defence capability - their SAMs, fighters, radars, everything
3. Pakistan has admitted that two pilots parachuted. One is Abhinandan sir, who is the second ?definitely not India, which means he is Pak pilot, which means one PAF jet got shot down. We have AMRAAM parts to prove F16s were involved. Put them together we have solid proof that Abhinandan sir shot down F16 - the highest rated jet in Pakistani arsenal using a lowest expendable MiG21 jet in the Indian air force
4. Out of threat of war, Pakistan released Abhinandan sir within 36 hours totally unharmed in mint condition. Pakistan peed their pants and chickened out. Which leadership failed ?
   Election is already over bruh. Dont the ISI have any other projects ? Why are you wasting your and our time here ?

 

[Bhishma]

To be fair SDR are expensive and those Mig 21 were planned to be retired the next year or two. Just going through the bids, contract, testing, negotiations and price would take a few years unless imported directly at a very expensive price. As for the Air Force wanting expensive jets then that has been tightly controlled by the government and if they think India is going to spend $25 billion on 114 jets then they are even mental. As for video recording the attack then maybe it would of helped but we had their Air Force recording between pilots and controller which clearly highlighted their loss. Then we had satellite imaging of the building showing the destruction as another proof. Then we had the Pakistan army sealing the entire area off and some media journalist even managed to get a few images of their army carrying out a large amount of dead bodies. So the world knew that India launched an attack but the narrative was mainly on how effective or successful was it and the answer is it was. The sad part was that our helicopter was blown up. Mainly down to a lack of discipline in following their procedures, tactics and rules to the letter. The helicopter should of had his IFF on and the base commander should of been aware that they had their own helicopter in the region. But we were ready for a war where officers had their hand on the button to fire at the slightest provocation and the fear of being attacked and killed. The Indian military need to carry out multiple live training exercises and real time exercises to gain experience. These exercises have to be conducted without warning and suddenly so they aren't just treated as a practice.

Entering and exiting their air space itself is a victory - Pakistan has admitted this. So India can enter their air space, drop bombs in their territory, exit safely any time we want and there is not a thing they can do. All of this according to Pakistan's own admittance. How about that.

 

[Mridul baruah]

Whether you like it or not...PAF's plans to upgrade their fleet with what ever limited funds they have looks more planned and well thought through compared to India. Although we spend way more it seems most of the money goes in purchasing outdated items or spending exagerrated amounts in upgrading obsolete or near obsolete fighters. Be it Jaguars, Migs or the mirages.

 

[Bhishma]

Professional force who knows what it needs to do to keep its edge? Its edge? Can you please tell me which war has it ever won? In its entire history?

Successfully conducted airstrikes on Afghani women and children

 

[Rahul Singh]

Why is are we trying to trivialise the Chinese weaponry by equating it with US origin ones. The significant thing is the transfer of such an advanced platform to Pakistan. Deal with that.

 

[Hari Sud]

Without knowing the results of Chineese a2a missiles India should not be complacent. What if it works?. We should have strategy to have upper hand over them.

Chinese stuff never works as stated.

 

[Hari Sud]

Some of the comments writers are Chinese propagandists with Indian names. Watch out for them when they praise Chinese stuff too much.

 

[rtnguy]

Dual Pulse A2A missiles are pretty useless. AMRAAMs could not take down Su30 at 30km range. There is a reason why IAF is adamant on 114 rafales despite its inferiority to Su 30 in all aspects. Thats the METEOR A2A missiles which is the only RAMJET A2A missile in the world.

 

[Akshat]

Whether you like it or not...PAF's plans to upgrade their fleet with what ever limited funds they have looks more planned and well thought through compared to India. Although we spend way more it seems most of the money goes in purchasing outdated items or spending exagerrated amounts in upgrading obsolete or near obsolete fighters. Be it Jaguars, Migs or the mirages.

And yet we keep winning wars and everything, except one war where IAF wasn’t involved. Interesting.

 

[Akshat]

Dual Pulse A2A missiles are pretty useless. AMRAAMs could not take down Su30 at 30km range. There is a reason why IAF is adamant on 114 rafales despite its inferiority to Su 30 in all aspects. Thats the METEOR A2A missiles which is the only RAMJET A2A missile in the world.

Inferiority? 😂😂😂

It has a lower RCS. It has far better sensor suite. It has much higher availability. These are the things that matter. Not just weight class or fancy stunts.

 

[rtnguy]

Inferiority? 😂😂😂

It has a lower RCS. It has far better sensor suite. It has much higher availability. These are the things that matter. Not just weight class or fancy stunts.

Su 30MKI has more power, more thrust, better radar, far better weapons payload than Rafale. Upgraded Su sensor suite is superior to Rafale. Rafale lower RCS is useless since its well above Stealth Threshold so RCS does not matter for non stealth aircraft.

 

[beencensured]

Professional force who knows what it needs to do to keep its edge? Its edge? Can you please tell me which war has it ever won? In its entire history?

With Pakistani brain, war is not so winnable, but now they have invented ai and sensor fusion, so it may help them much compensate. Chinese have brain and already gave them rockets to target Delhi. India never utilized the Shimla accord to stop this. .

 

[ABHIJIT APSINGIKAR]

Su 30MKI has more power, more thrust, better radar, far better weapons payload than Rafale. Upgraded Su sensor suite is superior to Rafale. Rafale lower RCS is useless since its well above Stealth Threshold so RCS does not matter for non stealth aircraft.

Although I do feel Rafale is inordinately expensive, the Rafale is indeed a great 4--4.8 generation fighter aircraft and its capabilities cannot be understated. Its greatest strength comes from its extremely potent SPECTRA EW system. The SPECTRA system is highly classified and has neither been sold to Egypt, UAE, Qatar or Indonesia. Only the NATO allies and India, Rafales have a full spec avionics suite that includes SPECTRA.

SPECTRA has this unique feature of active spoofing, where it takes the adversary's radar signal and remodulates it to feed spoofed signal back with ghost contacts. For an enemy radar it would see targets and tract them which really would not exist and since the radar priority changes it would compel enemy to unload missiles and waste them on ghost targets.

 

[Santosh Kumar pal]

Though A2A missile range is important,in the real world war scenario, fighter jet pilot's war technique capabilities will determine will decide who is the ultimate winner or loser in fighter jet war.
So, AMRAAM AlM-120C,Chinese PL-12 and PL-15 A2A missiles have better range but India airforce should not loose any kind of hope.Our lndian airforce pilots can defet PAF fighter jets with Astra Mark 1 and Astra Mark 2 missiles with using war technique capabilities.
That's why our pilot Avinandan vartaman killed advance F16 jet with old generation russian A2A missile with vintage Mig 21 fighter jet.

 

[Akshat]

With Pakistani brain, war is not so winnable, but now they have invented ai and sensor fusion, so it may help them much compensate. Chinese have brain and already gave them rockets to target Delhi. India never utilized the Shimla accord to stop this. .

More future rants with nothing to show for in the present or past.

 

[Akshat]

Su 30MKI has more power, more thrust, better radar, far better weapons payload than Rafale. Upgraded Su sensor suite is superior to Rafale. Rafale lower RCS is useless since its well above Stealth Threshold so RCS does not matter for non stealth aircraft.

Where is the so called upgraded superior sensor suite? And RCS always matters. There is a reason countries around the world are working to reduce it even on 4th gen planes. Even a minor difference works a lot. And with Rafale and Su30, the difference can be as much as 50% in targeting range since RCS difference is in the range of 10 times (after missiles).

 

[BCharlie]

Criminal chinese ccp and its PLAAF missiles are short on performance and long on hype.
BTW India has a far superior Meteor missile on Rafales.
Perhaps India can procure some of Russian new generation of long range BVRAAMs just in case.
No worries, mates.

Indian Astra Mk II intercept ranges - head on chase range is 130 kms and tail chase is 160 kms.

Thats what we call Paper Tigers; We have such superior Air Force compared to that Chinese Junk with Pakistan and is of no match;

 

[BCharlie]

Without knowing the results of Chineese a2a missiles India should not be complacent. What if it works?. We should have strategy to have upper hand over them.

It wont and never work.. We have full assurance from America & Israel. So, no worries.