Vying for India's Future Airborne SIGINT/COMJAM Spy Plane Contract, L3Harris offers Proven US Tech while French Thales touts 'Make in India' Edge

Vying for India's Future Airborne SIGINT/COMJAM Spy Plane Contract, L3Harris offers Proven US Tech while French Thales touts 'Make in India' Edge


India is intensifying efforts to acquire a new fleet of specialized surveillance aircraft, signalling a significant move to upgrade its airborne intelligence gathering and electronic warfare capabilities.

According to reports dated March 21, 2025, Indian authorities have entered discussions with major international defence firms, positioning US-based L3Harris Technologies and France's Thales as leading contenders to supply advanced systems for these future platforms.

This initiative highlights India's focus on strengthening its defence capabilities and addressing regional security challenges, particularly concerning advancements made by neighbouring countries like China.

Spearheaded by the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) and the Indian Air Force (IAF), the project seeks to outfit three aircraft, likely based on the Airbus A319 airframe, for sophisticated signals intelligence (SIGINT) and communications jamming (COMJAM) missions.

While initial approvals for the program were anticipated around February 2024, the complex integration of high-tech foreign systems alongside a push for indigenous development has brought global defence leaders into the competition.

Notably, India's own Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL) is also competing, underscoring the nation's strategy of balancing self-reliance with access to world-class technology.

L3Harris, a prominent American defence corporation, offers extensive experience in intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) technology. The company has a track record of equipping specialized aircraft, such as the US Army's ARTEMIS and ARES platforms which utilize Bombardier business jets.

L3Harris proposes advanced SIGINT equipment, electronic warfare tools, and rapid data processing systems – technologies crucial for India's goal of monitoring adversary communications and disrupting enemy electronic systems deep within potentially hostile territory.

Countering the American offer, French aerospace and defence firm Thales leverages its significant existing footprint within India's defence sector. Having already contributed to the Indian Rafale fighter jet program and engaged in joint ventures like BEL-Thales Systems, Thales presents its own suite of ISR and electronic warfare technologies, drawing from experience on projects like France’s CUGE electronic warfare aircraft.

Thales's proposition likely highlights its familiarity with India's defence requirements and its established history of collaborating with local industries, aligning well with the government's 'Make in India' policy promoting domestic manufacturing and technology transfer.

Meanwhile, Bharat Electronics Limited represents the indigenous option in this contest. BEL has prior experience supplying radar and electronic warfare systems, notably for the IAF's Netra Airborne Early Warning and Control (AEW&C) aircraft.

A successful bid from BEL would maximize Indian-made content, potentially lowering costs and reducing reliance on foreign suppliers. However, questions remain regarding its current capacity to develop and integrate SIGINT and COMJAM systems matching the sophistication offered by its international competitors.

The drive for these advanced spy planes stems from India's need to monitor and counter growing military activities along its borders. China's People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) operates sophisticated ISR aircraft like the KJ-500 and Y-9, often deploying from airbases on the Tibetan Plateau, such as Hotan and Ngari Gunsa, located near India's northern borders. These bases position Chinese aircraft within range of critical Indian areas.

The planned Indian SIGINT/COMJAM aircraft are intended to detect and analyse enemy electronic signals, identify radar and weapon locations, and possess the capability to jam adversary communications during potential conflicts, thereby playing a vital role in securing air dominance.
 
Most definitely not. We are not quite there yet when it comes to sensors and EW warfare and other advanced technologies.
Then it's better to develop and refine them than continuously buying stuff from foreign. At most we can ask Israelis for ToT for similar SIGINT and ELINT systems to put on our planes and then we can become world class in EW systems through this. Buying equipment from L3 Harris or Frenchies won't build a technical capability within India.
 
I often think what has India achieved in 77 years of independence. The answer is zero, nothing. India has failed, and we Indians should accept this reality. In each and every sector, India needs foreign help. It's pathetic and shameful.
 
Then it's better to develop and refine them than continuously buying stuff from foreign. At most we can ask Israelis for ToT for similar SIGINT and ELINT systems to put on our planes and then we can become world class in EW systems through this. Buying equipment from L3 Harris or Frenchies won't build a technical capability within India.
This the usually THE MOST highly secretive technology that any country's air force uses. Usually this technology is not even directly operated by air force sometimes but usually by the military intelligence agencies or like CIA.

Israel will give Tot on lot of other things but this is something they will draw a line on. Nobody will give you this type of technology. As far as I know, Israeli's are using American equipment for SIGINT most likely. The Americans have a deal where they are suppose to gather data from Israeli Intelligence to boost the capabilities of F-35.

The "Software Updates" that everyone keeps talking about for F-35 is not a change in software but updating the data collected from SIGINT. This helps F-35 stay ahead of any new or emerging Radars and EW warfare in order to stay stealthy.

As far as developing it, it is extremely complicated. Even the Brits use American equipment under a signed deal.
 
I often think what has India achieved in 77 years of independence. The answer is zero, nothing. India has failed, and we Indians should accept this reality. In each and every sector, India needs foreign help. It's pathetic and shameful.
Lack of R&D and serious development from the ground up. AKA from basics like maths, chemistry, and physics and build knowledge up.
 
I would go for L3Harris. They are the best. I have a family member who worked for them for a year. Even though I do not know many details of L3Harris, Thales does not come near them in capacity or capability.
 
This is Brand new technology for IAF. IAF has never operated any equipment even close to what they will have access to with this type of plane. With a platform like this, we will boost our capabilities by a huge margin.

I am guessing US is only helping to build this because they want the SIGINT data on the Chinese which we encounter regularly on the border.
 
This the usually THE MOST highly secretive technology that any country's air force uses. Usually this technology is not even directly operated by air force sometimes but usually by the military intelligence agencies or like CIA.

Israel will give Tot on lot of other things but this is something they will draw a line on. Nobody will give you this type of technology. As far as I know, Israeli's are using American equipment for SIGINT most likely. The Americans have a deal where they are suppose to gather data from Israeli Intelligence to boost the capabilities of F-35.

The "Software Updates" that everyone keeps talking about for F-35 is not a change in software but updating the data collected from SIGINT. This helps F-35 stay ahead of any new or emerging Radars and EW warfare in order to stay stealthy.

As far as developing it, it is extremely complicated. Even the Brits use American equipment under a signed deal.
Vice versa: "The AEW&C solution is based on a battle-tested L3Harris platform design using Bombardier’s premier Global 6500™ high-altitude business jet, and includes the integration of IAI/ELTA’s advanced radar technology and artificial intelligence algorithms, providing the world’s most advanced airborne battle management platform". https://www.l3harris.com/newsroom/e...lta-advancing-roks-airborne-early-warning-and. Regards...
 
Excellent initiative. Will be a huge enabler with our huge and sensitive land and sea borders. Don't hesitate for foreign technology. We need the best, if possible, rope in Israeli tech also.
 
All three proposals need to be examined. Whoever brings better capability can get the first lot. The second lot can be developed here.
 
India needs more of these type of planes and we need to start developing this technology ourselves. We should install our own indigenous technology first and continue to refine and improve on it. We need to have at least 10 spy planes just to use it against China as the border is very long.
 
This the usually THE MOST highly secretive technology that any country's air force uses. Usually this technology is not even directly operated by air force sometimes but usually by the military intelligence agencies or like CIA.

Israel will give Tot on lot of other things but this is something they will draw a line on. Nobody will give you this type of technology. As far as I know, Israeli's are using American equipment for SIGINT most likely. The Americans have a deal where they are suppose to gather data from Israeli Intelligence to boost the capabilities of F-35.
Israel never gives real ToT. They give you final assembly ToT only. Then they give another state of the art know how: how to replace all 'made in Israel' plates with 'made in India' plates. We are usually happy with that - less hassle and higher probability of getting selected.
 
Israel never gives real ToT. They give you final assembly ToT only. Then they give another state of the art know how: how to replace all 'made in Israel' plates with 'made in India' plates. We are usually happy with that - less hassle and higher probability of getting selected.
So 70% local content in Drishti drones is for final assembly?
 
So 70% local content in Drishti drones is for final assembly?
Yes sir. The way IC content is calculated is as follows: (Total value paid by GOI - Forex exchange part) / Total value paid by GOI.Now take a hypothetical example where semi-knocked down kit is imported (including material, system and subsystems) and cost is Rs 40 (paid in Forex). Final assembly is in India. Assembly labour and other direct and indirect costs is say, Rs 10 (incurred in INR in India). Training, simulator, warranty costs are Rs 20 (also in INR). In addition, there will be Sales, General and admin costs, Corp Overhead etc., another Rs 10 (also in INR). So, total cost is Rs 80. You sell it to GOI, after adding your margin of Rs 20 (also in INR), for Rs 100. Import content is only Rs 40. So, IC content is (100-40)/100 = 60%, although only final assembly is undertaken in India.
 
Yes sir. The way IC content is calculated is as follows: (Total value paid by GOI - Forex exchange part) / Total value paid by GOI.Now take a hypothetical example where semi-knocked down kit is imported (including material, system and subsystems) and cost is Rs 40 (paid in Forex). Final assembly is in India. Assembly labour and other direct and indirect costs is say, Rs 10 (incurred in INR in India). Training, simulator, warranty costs are Rs 20 (also in INR). In addition, there will be Sales, General and admin costs, Corp Overhead etc., another Rs 10 (also in INR). So, total cost is Rs 80. You sell it to GOI, after adding your margin of Rs 20 (also in INR), for Rs 100. Import content is only Rs 40. So, IC content is (100-40)/100 = 60%, although only final assembly is undertaken in India.
There are a few errors in this assumption/theory.

Firstly, you are talking about the total deals, not the product itself. When calculating indigenous content of any platform, you don't take costs like training etc. into account. Secondly, you are assuming that there is a 150% value addition at the last step itself, which is again a faulty assumption. and that is for your assumption of 60% indigenous content. For 70%, this jumps to 233% value addition, which is quite absurd by any stretch of imagination. Or look at Drishti 10, which had a 70% IC even before GoI placed any orders. So indigenous content is different from what you are suggesting buddy.
 
There are a few errors in this assumption/theory.

Firstly, you are talking about the total deals, not the product itself. When calculating indigenous content of any platform, you don't take costs like training etc. into account. Secondly, you are assuming that there is a 150% value addition at the last step itself, which is again a faulty assumption. and that is for your assumption of 60% indigenous content. For 70%, this jumps to 233% value addition, which is quite absurd by any stretch of imagination. Or look at Drishti 10, which had a 70% IC even before GoI placed any orders. So indigenous content is different from what you are suggesting buddy.
I stand behind my assertion. As per DAP, you take the entire deal cost for a given contract and not just cost of the product itself. The numbers are, more or less, representative of Drishiti-10. I should stop here. You are free to trust what you want.
 
I stand behind my assertion. As per DAP, you take the entire deal cost for a given contract and not just cost of the product itself. The numbers are, more or less, representative of Drishiti-10. I should stop here. You are free to trust what you want.
I am also considering DAP. What you are missing is that the IC being mentioned is with reference to the product, and the price being mentioned is for package. DAP doesn't say that both are interchangeable. So yeah, feel free to trust what you want.
 
This the usually THE MOST highly secretive technology that any country's air force uses. Usually this technology is not even directly operated by air force sometimes but usually by the military intelligence agencies or like CIA.

Israel will give Tot on lot of other things but this is something they will draw a line on. Nobody will give you this type of technology. As far as I know, Israeli's are using American equipment for SIGINT most likely. The Americans have a deal where they are suppose to gather data from Israeli Intelligence to boost the capabilities of F-35.

The "Software Updates" that everyone keeps talking about for F-35 is not a change in software but updating the data collected from SIGINT. This helps F-35 stay ahead of any new or emerging Radars and EW warfare in order to stay stealthy.

As far as developing it, it is extremely complicated. Even the Brits use American equipment under a signed deal.
If that is so then why would L3 Harris or Thales give such equipment to us? Anything they are giving then will have huge strings attached.

We already made ELINT satellites to detect signals from space. With enough effort and funding we can make decent sensors to be used on planes.
 
1st, let us buy and go through these advanced technologies and decode the know-how and build our own accordingly.

China would have never got to that spot if it had never got to study crashed US spy planes.
Yeah, we should do both. Get these advanced tech but also study them instead of buying them and using them like any other normal user country.
 

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