Why Indian Army Prioritizing Foreign Spike and Javelin ATGMs Despite Failed Field Trials, While Indigenous MPATGM and Nag Proved Worthy Repeatedly

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The Indian Army's procurement strategy for Anti-Tank Guided Missiles (ATGMs) is under scrutiny, with questions being raised about the prioritization of foreign systems that have failed field trials, while domestically developed options, which have repeatedly proven their capabilities, await larger orders.

Recent reports indicate that both the Israeli Spike ATGM and the American Javelin ATGM have underperformed during Indian Army trials.

The Spike, acquired in limited numbers starting in 2019, reportedly encountered difficulties during tests conducted in the Thar Desert. Sources indicate the missile's sensors struggled to acquire targets in the extreme heat and dusty conditions prevalent in that region.

Similarly, the Javelin faced challenges during trials in the high-altitude terrain of Ladakh in September and October of 2024. Reports suggest the system did not fully meet expectations, potentially due to the older variant that was tested.

These failures have sparked criticism from defence analysts, who are questioning the rationale behind procuring these foreign systems, particularly when indigenous alternatives have demonstrated their effectiveness.

They point to the Man-Portable Anti-Tank Guided Missile (MPATGM) developed by India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), which has undergone extensive and rigorous testing, yet remains in the final user evaluation stages before induction.

The history of the Spike ATGM acquisition highlights the complexities of the situation. Initially selected in 2014 over the Javelin in a significant deal, the agreement was repeatedly canceled and revived, and finally, a limited number were procured in 2019 through fast track process.

This occurred despite reports that the Spike's sensors failed to consistently detect targets in the intense heat and dust of the Thar Desert, conditions representative of India's western border. Despite those failings limited number of Spike MR and LR missiles had been purchased to fulfill the immediate need.

The Javelin ATGM, famed for its fire-and-forget capability, was evaluated in Ladakh as part of ongoing discussions under the U.S.-India Defence Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI). Trials were performed with intention to examine its performance in the thin air and freezing weather and performed alongside Stryker.

The results of tests, conducted at altitudes between 13,000 and 18,000 feet, were reportedly disappointing. The Army has requested further trials, but the initial outcome has intensified skepticism.

In contrast, India's indigenous ATGM programs have shown considerable promise. The MPATGM, a third-generation fire-and-forget missile, has successfully completed numerous trials across diverse terrains, including a successful warhead penetration test in August 2024.

With a 4 km range, a lightweight design, and advanced imaging infrared seekers, it is comparable to, or even surpasses, the capabilities of the Spike and Javelin.

Another indigenous system, the Nag ATGM, completed successful summer trials in 2019 and is reportedly ready for induction. The helicopter-launched version, Helina (known as Dhruvastra in the Indian Air Force), has also demonstrated its effectiveness, including a 7 km range capability, in high-altitude tests in Ladakh.

Despite these successes, these domestically developed systems have faced lengthy and rigorous testing procedures, often spanning a decade, while foreign systems with documented failures have, at times, been fast-tracked for procurement.

The discrepancy in treatment between foreign and indigenous systems has puzzled defence analysts. The temporary acceptance of underperforming foreign systems as "stop-gap" measures, exemplified by the Spike's partial induction despite desert trial failures, raises concerns. The Javelin's Ladakh setback, coupled with past reluctance from the U.S. to transfer crucial technologies, further complicates the argument for co-production.

While the need to address immediate operational requirements, particularly after the 2020 Galwan Valley clash, is understandable, critics argue that short-term solutions should not overshadow the long-term goal of self-reliance in defence production.

The Indian Ministry of Defence (MoD) issued a Request for Information (RFI) in October 2024 for 1,500 ATGMs under the "Buy (Indian-IDDM)" category, which prioritizes indigenous design, development, and manufacturing. This may signal a shift towards greater reliance on domestic solutions, albeit after a period of favoring foreign systems that have faced performance issues in Indian conditions.
 
I think the main reason is corruption, which is almost in every industry. But even for short term needs, reliable weapons should be inducted because if weapons malfunction or underperform in battle, enemies can get into our territory.
 
Nag and Namica are great missiles. Don't get impressed with shiny manuals and some unrealistic specifications which totally fail in the tests. Lesson learned, and move on.
 
MPATGM had to pass through grueling tests; 14 times is mentioned. But what was the end result? Did it pass all criteria at the end? Same question for Nag and Helina.

If these have passed, then they should be inducted ASAP. If they are still falling short of any parameter, then the criticality of that parameter needs to be evaluated.
 
NAG & NAMICA should be ordered by IA .

Combat capabilities in field trials is the sine qua non for defence procurement.
 
India army prioritizing foreign systems because , some time gun barrel bursts other time howitzer shell bursts killing Jawans, HAL made Helicopter ALH Dhruv is accident prone ! So better use both made in India as well as foreign missiles,Howitzers,Tanks,Helicopters UCAVs etc !
 
India never said that the military are going to buy the Javelin and Spike ATGM at all and we are only conducting these trials . We are only focusing on 100% indigenously designing, developing and manufacturing our own ATGM. A small batch of Spike LR was bought to give our helicopters an advantage of having no line of sight capability but that’s it.

Designing and developing ATGM are complex and very difficult as there are different type's of tank hull material, thickness, ERA etc so we need a variety of ATGM with more penetration power. No matter what we will only be developing and buying our own 100% indigenous ATGM.
 
MPATGM had to pass through grueling tests; 14 times is mentioned. But what was the end result? Did it pass all criteria at the end? Same question for Nag and Helina.

If these have passed, then they should be inducted ASAP. If they are still falling short of any parameter, then the criticality of that parameter needs to be evaluated.
I don't understand, are Army and DRDO working in silos? If 14kg is too overweight, then who is to blame? Did IA give a requirement for the max weight? Did they change the requirement midway? Is it a DRDO issue for not meeting the weight guideline? We need answers to these questions. Someone in MoD should come forward like Parrikar did and make them talk to each other and find the issue.
 
India never said that the military are going to buy the Javelin and Spike ATGM at all and we are only conducting these trials . We are only focusing on 100% indigenously designing, developing and manufacturing our own ATGM. A small batch of Spike LR was bought to give our helicopters an advantage of having no line of sight capability but that’s it.

Designing and developing ATGM are complex and very difficult as there are different type's of tank hull material, thickness, ERA etc so we need a variety of ATGM with more penetration power. No matter what we will only be developing and buying our own 100% indigenous ATGM.
B.S. When you decide to test foreign material, you give a kind of commitment to buy it. Then the foreign company will say, "OK, we will sort out the problem," and you cannot get away from your commitment.
 
B.S. When you decide to test foreign material, you give a kind of commitment to buy it. Then the foreign company will say, "OK, we will sort out the problem," and you cannot get away from your commitment.
You are absolutely wrong again. We test a lot of foreign products, technology and weapons but it doesn’t mean that we will buy it at all. The military or the government haven’t said that they are going to buy it.

Also they can’t buy it legally as there’s a complete embargo that stops all imports in armoured vehicles or joint venture deals.

Also trump can think he has the PM in his control but that’s absolute BS. The USA needs India much more than to keep China’s power in check and under control. That’s why more investment is being poured into India because of the work the PM has done. No other leader has made India this strong, powerful and capable economically or militarily.

So your so called evidence is a load of rubbish and the PM isn’t being blackmailed by pictures or by anything.
 
Main reason is CYA. With buying foreign arms if things don't work then you can blame on user error as every other country is using it. Where as if bought Indian and things don't work then who is responsible? Nothing to do with corruption but cya is big in any government purchase.
 
India never said that the military are going to buy the Javelin and Spike ATGM at all and we are only conducting these trials . We are only focusing on 100% indigenously designing, developing and manufacturing our own ATGM. A small batch of Spike LR was bought to give our helicopters an advantage of having no line of sight capability but that’s it.

Designing and developing ATGM are complex and very difficult as there are different type's of tank hull material, thickness, ERA etc so we need a variety of ATGM with more penetration power. No matter what we will only be developing and buying our own 100% indigenous ATGM.
Make in India should have a follow up with Approvals upon successful evaluation strategy. Once equipment has passed the testing phase producers compensated with assured orders.
 
Chinese news agency declare new breakthrough to basic science and defence prospects continuously for the years and Indian agencies are engaged to find out corruption, malfunctioning and mismanagement on other side of the border
 
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Chinese news agency declare new breakthrough to basic science and defence prospects continuously for the years and Indian agencies are engaged to find out corruption, malfunctioning and mismanagement on other side of the border
Keep bringing up the truth and someday it will sink into their brains that they are where the problem is and they will pack up and leave so capable individuals can get jobs and bring in results. If they are unable to do the work they should take a break and allow others to do that job. They can always come back and contribute. All experiences are required. The hard earned knowledge of a crook is something you can't find in others.
 

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