But what is the point of getting more rafales if TOT is not there for key tech? Either India should make Rafales with Kaveri engine in which case, why would India want French company to make the planes at all?
Unless critical parts & data is given, it is not really useful. Half TOT for simple tech is practically useless when India can do it by itself. Either give the critical tech or get lost.
France refused to give basic helicopter engines for ALH despite 40 years of JV for helicopters. Why would you expect them to give Mirage engines or radars or other electronics to India?
What was the lie i uttered ? UTTAM RADAR is planned to be integrated from 41st TEJAS MK1 A according to MD of HAL. ASTRA MK2 and MK 3 are work in progress. METEOR is a reality. THALES RBE 2 AESA RADAR is a reality. Did i say anything negative either about ASTRA or UTTAM RADAR. If UTTAM RADAR and ASTRA variants are operational , I will be one among the million happy Indian citizen.
All tech is transferred to DRDO if made in India. So, yes, there will be payment. But if it is only useless tech like landing lights, exhaust ports etc, then it is not needed
Long term French are worse then Russians. At least we know how to upgrade Russian aircraft, but French re special breed of white elephants that makes them OEM dependent.
OFB was making older model of Karl Gustaf from 1980s. Saab facility is for Mark-4 that was introduced in 2017. If OFB was already producing it in India, then why someone will spend money to build a duplicate production line ?
No. I have not heard of any provision of payment on ground of ToT. Neither have I heard of any clause that mandates that Technologies will be transferred to DRDO. However, GOI will have right/ privilege to come in and take over the factory, assets and intellectual property in national interest if GOI decides so at any time. This is a clause that has to be agreed by foreign company under current model.
Stealer Alert 🚨🚨🚨 you can easily tell from the fact that why they wanted 100% Stake on DRAL, this way they don’t need to give any TOT and also can safeguard any kind of knowledge going to Indian entities, that is very cunning, we should not be capitulated to this offer, unless we demand what we needed in the form of TOT ,if it is ‘0 TOT’ , then the jets should be priced at the exact price that French Airforce is paying.
France won’t allow integration of Indian missiles by default, there will be ridiculous extra charge.
Didn’t you read the article properly, Dassault wanted to buy 100% stake of DRAL, this is the main condition, which means we will be buying from 100% Dassault, as no Indian entity is involved then it would be 0 TOT.0️⃣0️⃣0️⃣🚨🚨🚨 this would be 🚩🚩🚩.
Every company must obey Indian govt when it comes to defence technology like tech transfer, equipment sales etc which indirectly require the technology to known by Indian government. Since you don't expect IAS officers or politicians to know tech, it is DRDO which will get it
Again a fine idea, except surface to air missile bases air defense systems critically lack one key aspect or aerial engagement: "Identification Friemd or Foe". As such without IFF integrated a air defense system the ADA has no way of differentiating friendly's from foes and will blow out anything that flies including friendly fighters. Thus the cost of casualties caused due to friendly fire are too immense to bear.
Older or newer model hardly has much difference. Both are simple RPG types with only minor improvements in weight and length. Also, paying no royalty & improving private defence industry could be the reason for allowing SAAB to set up factory. Defence industry has huge spare capacity which is not used but still has to be maintained for war contingency
Astra mk2 hasn’t even been test fired from a plane till date.
Tell that to HAL then which is still importing half of the parts, including the most important stuff like engines and ejection seats, for Tejas. Get lost.
Look the logic is not correct that you make it sound that Rafale is like car dealership having no backlog and can buy as many you want.. Just ordering the things will take years, and further supplying them more time. Uttam is tested, and production variant is being made as already tested, Astra mk3 is in flight test as ground test have been done. Both products are awaited. Uttam should be by 2025 production variant, by 2026/27 the Astra mk3. So in no way rafale is available today, or next year, or the next making you statement incorrect, nor has any order for airforce variant placed that would legitimize that possibility. Your statement is speculative.
Sorry I have not made myself clear. The current policy or proposal related to this specific case does not include any ToT to DRDO or to anybody so far as local manufacturing of Rafale is concerned. However, a clause is inserted saying that Govt can step in and acquire the facility, factory, intellectual property lock, stock and barrel in national interest. Such a step is considered to be an extreme one and is likely to be exercised in case of a war where France supports India's adversary, or in case Dassault fails to deliver the planes within the agreed time frame or with acceptable quality and capability etc. If it comes to that, Govt is not required to pay any compensation either. However, these are still in proposal/ discussion stage. We will wait and see what happens.
How can the factory make Rafale without giving TOT to DRDO? Are you saying that it will assemble Rafales, not manufacture it? In that case, it is not useful
That is called development, not foreign contract. India is trying a phased substitution. But buying directly from Dassault controlled factory means India won't have control on the phased indigenisation by replacing it part by part. That is the difference. If you can't understand this, you need to take a break
