Analyst: J-20 Severely Limited in Himalayan Region, May Lose Up To 70% Power in Tibet

Analyst: J-20 Severely Limited in Himalayan Region, May Lose Up To 70% Power in Tibet


Recent test flights of China's J-20 fighter jet over the Tibetan Plateau have highlighted potential shortcomings in its high-altitude performance, according to Indian defense analyst Abhijit Iyer-Mitra.

The Chengdu Institute of Aviation Industry conducted these flights in 2021, likely from the Daocheng Yading Airport, situated at an elevation of over 4,000 meters. While demonstrating China's interest in high-altitude operations, the tests also point to significant limitations for the J-20 in these environments.

The thin air at such altitudes drastically reduces engine thrust, leading to a potential loss of 60-70% of the J-20's capabilities, Iyer-Mitra estimates. This particularly affects the aircraft's maximum takeoff weight (MTOW) and its ability to carry a full payload.

The rugged terrain of the Tibetan Plateau may also pose problems. Daocheng Yading Airport's runway length might be insufficient for the J-20's size and weight (estimated MTOW of 37-40 tons). Its single-wheel front landing gear could experience faster wear and tear, leading to more frequent maintenance requirements.

Furthermore, operating with its full estimated weapons load of 11,000 kg at these altitudes would likely prove impractical. The combined impact of limited engine power and the aircraft's weight could restrict the J-20's combat effectiveness in the region.

These factors cast doubt on the J-20's viability in a potential India-China conflict, particularly within the Himalayan border region. However, it's possible that China's primary goal with these tests was to signal technological prowess and collect data on high-altitude fighter behavior for future advancements in aircraft design.
 
Abhijit Iyer Mitra doesn't know when he goes to bed, if he will wake up as a male or a female the next day, but he knows that J-20 engines lose 60-70 % of its capability at altitudes found around Tibetan plateaus.

Abhijit is a gem. He never fails to entertain.
 
Mig-29 will b better than Su-30 MKI in himalaya region. thats why i think India should have bought 21 Mig-29 From Russia and have upgraded with Uttam AESA Radar & Astra series ,Rudram Series & Brahmos-NG.
 
Mig-29 will b better than Su-30 MKI in himalaya region. thats why i think India should have bought 21 Mig-29 From Russia and have upgraded with Uttam AESA Radar & Astra series ,Rudram Series & Brahmos-NG.
TTWR of the two aircrafts:-
1.14 - Su-30MKI (T/W = 1.21 during Emergency Thrust@)
1.13 - Mig-29 (9-13), S, SD, SE & SM

Problem is, Russian engines are not very efficient and loose thrust very fast as altitude decreases. There is a reason Ruski engines are known as smokey engines when compared to their western counterparts.
 
Many china apologists now will jump in the fray and will deny the extreme failure of J-20 over Tibetan plateau that can hardly fly with its dead weight of 25 tonnes and minimum fuel .
 
Ha ha bilkul china ke fighter thand me bistar pakad lege, aur apne fighters to Dabur Janam Ghuti pike aate hai n .....apne ko thand se kya darna..........
Iyyer Saab apna YT geopolitics sambhale , yeh sab apke bas ki baat nhi.
 
The limits imposed on payload by the high altitude and thin air apply to all the fighter jets and not just the J-20.
 
Ha ha bilkul china ke fighter thand me bistar pakad lege, aur apne fighters to Dabur Janam Ghuti pike aate hai n .....apne ko thand se kya darna..........
Iyyer Saab apna YT geopolitics sambhale , yeh sab apke bas ki baat nhi.
Is he wrong? He never said our fighters will be immune to thin air. He was talking in context to discussions on how J20 would destroy us since china has 200+ and they are stealthy 5th gen. He said that their impact would be reduced due to lower payload levels.
 
The limits imposed on payload by the high altitude and thin air apply to all the fighter jets and not just the J-20.
He never said our jets would be immune. He was talking in context to discussions on how J20 would destroy us since china has 200+ and they are stealthy 5th gen. He said that their impact would be reduced due to lower payload capacity. So wont be as big a problem for us as is being proclaimed.
 
Is he wrong? He never said our fighters will be immune to thin air. He was talking in context to discussions on how J20 would destroy us since china has 200+ and they are stealthy 5th gen. He said that their impact would be reduced due to lower payload levels.
If their impact is reduced, then ours will be reduced too.....in any case they still remain in dominating position, especially in North Eastern side ......J20 will have problems in Tibet but it can easily overpower any threats in the North East.
 
If their impact is reduced, then ours will be reduced too.....in any case they still remain in dominating position, especially in North Eastern side ......J20 will have problems in Tibet but it can easily overpower any threats in the North East.
They remain a problem. But I wont use the term Overpower. We bought rafales and S400 specifically for J20. Chinese may be in advantage, but we can zone them out and limit their advantage
 
They remain a problem. But I wont use the term Overpower. We bought rafales and S400 specifically for J20. Chinese may be in advantage, but we can zone them out and limit their advantage
36 Rafales will limit their advantage.........low quality weed results such thoughts and ideas....they operate a squadron of Su35 only which are significantly equal to Rafales.....I m not even talking about J16- the best flanker currently in Service.
 
36 Rafales will limit their advantage.........low quality weed results such thoughts and ideas....they operate a squadron of Su35 only which are significantly equal to Rafales.....I m not even talking about J16- the best flanker currently in Service.
Su35 is capable aircraft but but it uses PESA radar which is obsolete. Its missiles also cant be compared to missiles on rafale. Calling it equal to rafale is terrible choice of words.

J16 is a good aircraft, but we also have good aircrafts. In similar numbers. The assymetry arises only due to 200+ J20. Which we can zone out using S400 and rafale. Rafales are battle proven, and have batrle proven missiles. Chinese air force is entirely shiny brand new, never been in a batlle.
 
It is not 4000 meters; it is 4000 feet.

Everybody knows that Chinese make bigger noise than their war machines perform. That is one major reason that they cannot grab Taiwan and climb the mountains to reach Tawang.
 
Mig-29 will b better than Su-30 MKI in himalaya region. thats why i think India should have bought 21 Mig-29 From Russia and have upgraded with Uttam AESA Radar & Astra series ,Rudram Series & Brahmos-NG.
Any Big purchase related to defence is out of picture now , Russia is in war , They can't win against Ukraine and the war will stretch for couple of years...

New advance systems are getting integrated with UKraine defence forces by this year end they will get F-16s , Advance air defence systems etc.... The whole NATO & EU is helping Ukraine to procure weapons..

This Ukraine war & India-china standoff has given a lesson that in any war you have to be self-reliant

S-400 is delayed by 2 years at least , Ak rifles production is delayed by 1 year , spares availability is a issue not only with Russian vendors but also EU vendors , IAF highlighted it yesterday too...

Focus should be on indigenous projects
 
Su35 is capable aircraft but but it uses PESA radar which is obsolete. Its missiles also cant be compared to missiles on rafale. Calling it equal to rafale is terrible choice of words.

J16 is a good aircraft, but we also have good aircrafts. In similar numbers. The assymetry arises only due to 200+ J20. Which we can zone out using S400 and rafale. Rafales are battle proven, and have batrle proven missiles. Chinese air force is entirely shiny brand new, never been in a batlle.
Having PESA radars doesn't make them obsolete, Su 35 is far more superior than our Flankers.

J16s again are too good for us, Rafales will be literally banged by J16s only, forget about J20s.
 
so called self certified expert analyst might say something out of his mind than by analytical data to backup ...

Media/Services commentators used to say chinese airforce have no war expertise... What war expertise did IAF had after 1971, kargil is just ground bombing mission nothing airel dog fights and LFEs, hence swift retort result was not pleasant for India.
 
Having PESA radars doesn't make them obsolete, Su 35 is far more superior than our Flankers.

J16s again are too good for us, Rafales will be literally banged by J16s only, forget about J20s.
I never said Su35 are obsolete. PESA radars are obsolete. All modern jets have AESA radars.

And J16 will get trashed by rafales. There is no comparison. J20 is much more capable fighter and would be tough fight for rafale.
 
If their impact is reduced, then ours will be reduced too.....in any case they still remain in dominating position, especially in North Eastern side ......J20 will have problems in Tibet but it can easily overpower any threats in the North East.
It won’t impact India as much because we use the much lighter Mig 29, Mirage, jaguar and Mig 21 which gives us more advantages in high altitude and freezing cold temperatures and we back them up with our SAM defence shield like the S400, MR-SAM, Akash, Spyder, Samar MK1 and MK2 variants. In the north east we can use our much heavier fighters like the Sukhoi and if we back it up against our SAM then China doesn’t have much of an advantage over us. Even if they use their J20 so called stealth fighter which in reality it’s technology and capabilities are always overstated and they underperform in reality.
 
36 Rafales will limit their advantage.........low quality weed results such thoughts and ideas....they operate a squadron of Su35 only which are significantly equal to Rafales.....I m not even talking about J16- the best flanker currently in Service.
If we use the Sukhoi 30, Rafale jets backed with our SAM then China doesn’t have much of an advantage over us if they attacked us. Obviously we can defend against them very well but if we tried attacking them then we lose any advantage.

Not unless we strike first and take out their bases, jets, SAM and radars first which can make a difference but India has no intention of doing so and that’s a hypothetical scenario.
 

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