France Opens Doors to Nuclear Submarine Collaboration, India Eyes Pump-Jet Technology

France Opens Doors to Nuclear Submarine Collaboration, India Eyes Pump-Jet Technology


BREST, FRANCE - In a landmark development in Indo-French defense ties, Chief of Defence Staff (CDS) General Anil Chauhan was given an in-depth briefing on France's advanced nuclear submarine capabilities during his visit to the French naval base in Brest. The briefing highlighted the potential for collaboration between the two nations, particularly in the transfer of non-nuclear submarine technology, which could significantly boost India's indigenous defense capabilities.

A highlight of the defense dialogue was the exploration of sharing pump-jet propulsion technology, a key component of France's Le Triomphant-class ballistic missile submarines (SSBNs). This advanced propulsion system, combined with pressurized water K15 nuclear reactors and electric drive, offers submarines enhanced maneuverability, stealth, and operational endurance – attributes that could significantly benefit India's own nuclear-powered conventionally armed attack submarine (SSN) program.

While India's SSN program is still in the developmental stage, France's expertise in pump-jet propulsion presents a unique opportunity for synergistic collaboration. By integrating this technology into its submarines, India could not only enhance their operational capabilities but also bolster its strategic deterrence posture in the Indian Ocean region.

General Chauhan's visit to France underscores the growing strategic partnership between the two nations, particularly in the defense sector. Both countries share common concerns over maritime security in the Indo-Pacific and are committed to deepening their bilateral defense cooperation to address these challenges effectively.

The exchange of submarine technology and expertise between India and France holds immense potential for both nations. India could benefit significantly from France's vast experience in submarine design, construction, and operation, while France could gain a foothold in the burgeoning Indian defense market.

Although any potential collaboration on nuclear submarine technology is a complex and sensitive issue, the willingness of both countries to explore such a partnership signifies a new level of trust and cooperation in their bilateral relationship.

General Chauhan's visit to France marks a crucial step in this direction, laying the groundwork for deeper defense cooperation and strategic alignment between the two nations. As both countries continue to navigate the complexities of the 21st-century security landscape, their partnership promises to be a stabilizing force in the Indo-Pacific region.
 
All we need is pumpjet propulsion, not the whole submarine, French are not going to give TOT on nuclear reactor for the Submarine any way, so it will be a waste, if we can do Type-114 with Germany on one condition for including non magnetic steel hull like in Type -212, we could use that tech on the nuclear submarine.
 
This may be a good opportunity for India to finally look beyond the sole Russian option for its future SSN program,the French are always reliable,but demand an arm and a leg in return.
 
Good chance for french to have deal with India , for Submarine Tech since France have bad memory with Australia submarine deal.India have already place Follow-on order of 3 scopene class Subs.
 
Let the Indian shipyards make a few SSNs indigenously before we even think of collaboration.

This will ensure Indian Shipyards have the necessary know-how to build SSNs and will something worthy to contribute to a joint project, and not just remain a mute spectator in the entire project.
 
All we need is pumpjet propulsion, not the whole submarine, French are not going to give TOT on nuclear reactor for the Submarine any way, so it will be a waste, if we can do Type-114 with Germany on one condition for including non magnetic steel hull like in Type -212, we could use that tech on the nuclear submarine.
The drdo(Npol) has developed/developing a pumpjet propulsion powered by a 35 MW of motor .
 
France and French industries has just one Mantra only in their business practices.
To not transfer technology and to support its own MSMEs for sub-assemblies' productions, and extract maximum payouts for upgrades of the armaments they supply, e.g. Mirage-2000 upgrade.

India must not get into lengthy negotiations and get bogged down in the hopes.
India already has its own miniaturized Nuke Reactors so it must keep building their SSBNs and SSNs.

All TOTs and offsets are bogus.
 
Since Australia backed out from French Barracuda SSN deal India must grab this opportunity and make latest gen of French SSNs here in India !
 
All we need is pumpjet propulsion, not the whole submarine, French are not going to give TOT on nuclear reactor for the Submarine any way, so it will be a waste, if we can do Type-114 with Germany on one condition for including non magnetic steel hull like in Type -212, we could use that tech on the nuclear submarine.
Not really possible since Type 214 is too small ( about 2000T submerged) whereas Indian proposed SSN are relatively much larger ( > 6000T submerged), even bigger than Barracuda class!
 
Since Australia backed out from French Barracuda SSN deal India must grab this opportunity and make latest gen of French SSNs here in India !
Australia signed with France for "Short fin Barracuda" which is a SSK version of SSN Barracuda!
 
France is highly unreliable and double speaking country. They will talk big but never deliver. Even Helicopter engines was not given as TOT despite 40+ years of collaboration & joint production.
 
This may be a good opportunity for India to finally look beyond the sole Russian option for its future SSN program,the French are always reliable,but demand an arm and a leg in return.
What is the reliability of French? Why France refused helicopter engines despite 40+ years of collaboration?
 
Good chance for french to have deal with India , for Submarine Tech since France have bad memory with Australia submarine deal.India have already place Follow-on order of 3 scopene class Subs.
France refused even basic helicopter engines despite India buy their engines for 40+ years. Expecting any major tech from France is a joke
 
All we need is pumpjet propulsion, not the whole submarine, French are not going to give TOT on nuclear reactor for the Submarine any way, so it will be a waste, if we can do Type-114 with Germany on one condition for including non magnetic steel hull like in Type -212, we could use that tech on the nuclear submarine.
The non magnetic hull is not available on export version. So not happening.
 
This may be a good opportunity for India to finally look beyond the sole Russian option for its future SSN program,the French are always reliable,but demand an arm and a leg in return.
Actually their products are not that expensive. I mean, they have come out as the L1 multiple times. Twice in Rafale. Also in Scorpene.
 
France and French industries has just one Mantra only in their business practices.
To not transfer technology and to support its own MSMEs for sub-assemblies' productions, and extract maximum payouts for upgrades of the armaments they supply, e.g. Mirage-2000 upgrade.

India must not get into lengthy negotiations and get bogged down in the hopes.
India already has its own miniaturized Nuke Reactors so it must keep building their SSBNs and SSNs.

All TOTs and offsets are bogus.
France is the only country that does real ToT. Example- AESA TRMs.
 
France is highly unreliable and double speaking country. They will talk big but never deliver. Even Helicopter engines was not given as TOT despite 40+ years of collaboration & joint production.
Lol...besides Russia, they are the only ones that actually deliver.....they aren't cheap...but they give whatever they commit....Mirages, Rafales, Scorpenes, numerous technological bits for everything including AESA, hull weldings techniques, etc.....
I will share one concrete example.....when Scorpene was signed, MDL folks welded the first hull based on their learnings from Russian subs repairing.....French ended up writing off the entire hull and retrained the engineers to help them learn how underwater hull has to welded for reducing noise and vibrations.........google it...

the problem is that indian babus are low skilled scredrivers who cant do much as they have no incentives to do anything beyond assembling
 
France and French industries has just one Mantra only in their business practices.
To not transfer technology and to support its own MSMEs for sub-assemblies' productions, and extract maximum payouts for upgrades of the armaments they supply, e.g. Mirage-2000 upgrade.

India must not get into lengthy negotiations and get bogged down in the hopes.
India already has its own miniaturized Nuke Reactors so it must keep building their SSBNs and SSNs.

All TOTs and offsets are bogus.
Lol...read my reply to Shryujanam's comment...French are business folks running their own independent foreign policy...they do what they commit...the biggest challenge is always to make them commit, but they dont muck around after that
 
France is the only country that does real ToT. Example- AESA TRMs.
Well a pittance of offset fulfillment?
They transferred to make RBE2 AESA radar but did it get into our Uttam radar?
If it did, then why we are buying Israel EL/M-2052 AESA radar?
 
We should quickly seal the deal for pumpjet propulsion in exchange for additional scorpene submarine order and get moving with SSN.
 

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