GE to Retain Intellectual Property Rights Over Made in India F-414 Engines

GE to Retain Intellectual Property Rights Over Made in India F-414 Engines


Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) and General Electric (GE) are in advanced discussions for the local manufacturing of the F-414 engine, critical for India's Tejas MkII and AMCA MkI fighter jet programs. However, a key point of contention remains: GE will retain the Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) of these engines, even those manufactured in India.

This means that while HAL will gain the capability to produce the engines domestically, GE will retain control over the underlying technology and designs. This restriction could limit India's ability to modify or further develop the engines independently in the future.


Furthermore, any export of Indian fighter jets powered by the F-414 engine will require clearance from the United States, as the technology originates from the US. This could potentially impact India's ability to sell these aircraft to certain countries or regions.

The decision for GE to retain IPR raises concerns about India's long-term aspirations for self-reliance in defence manufacturing. While local production will boost domestic capabilities and reduce reliance on imports, the lack of control over the technology could hinder future innovation and development.

Some experts argue that without IPR, India will remain dependent on GE for upgrades and maintenance, potentially impacting the operational availability of its fighter jets. Others suggest that this is a necessary compromise to acquire advanced technology and accelerate the development of indigenous fighter programs.


Despite the IPR issue, negotiations between HAL and GE are ongoing. Both parties are keen to finalize the deal, recognizing the mutual benefits of collaboration. The Indian government is also actively involved in these discussions, seeking a balanced agreement that serves India's strategic interests.

The outcome of these negotiations will significantly impact India's aerospace industry and its future defence capabilities. It will also set a precedent for future collaborations with foreign defence companies, shaping India's path toward self-reliance in defence technology.
 
I guess there is no surprises here. It is expected, that is why local no sanction solution is must. Enough effort and money is not spend on engine development. do not expect miracle without hard work.
 
Hope India may Finalise Foreign partner for AMCA Engine development soon this year, which may b replace US GE414 Engine in Future . This are Temporary adjustment for Tejas MK2 & AMCA. Recently there was article about GE want to develop Aero-Engine with India for AMCA . I dont think GE will share IP rights .
 
What is there to be surprised about on this?
IPR was never going to be shared, and anyone who thinks so is very much mistaken.

We are getting ToT but no IPR. Makes perfect sense. Aero engines are incredibly complex, and no one is just going to hand over IPR. That is a nonsensical expectation to begin with.
 
Hope India may Finalise Foreign partner for AMCA Engine development soon this year, which may b replace US GE414 Engine in Future . This are Temporary adjustment for Tejas MK2 & AMCA. Recently there was article about GE want to develop Aero-Engine with India for AMCA . I dont think GE will share IP rights .
For that engine, if they are selected, they would share IPR, since that is a requirement to begin with. For these F414s that we are building under license in India, no IPR sharing is there. Perfectly valid.
 
What googlee? IPR was never on the table. Are you sure you are not mixing up ToT with IPR?
Exactly.
The main USP of this deal was upto 80% of ToT for GE-414 engines to allow India to manufacture the engines on-shore.
I don't remember if IPR was ever on the table.
Even with the ToT alone, the transition of know-how and know-why will be immense.
 
What is there to be surprised about on this?
IPR was never going to be shared, and anyone who thinks so is very much mistaken.

We are getting ToT but no IPR. Makes perfect sense. Aero engines are incredibly complex, and no one is just going to hand over IPR. That is a nonsensical expectation to begin with.
This was more or less anticipated from the initial stages itself. No surprises on this aspect. What matters now is early finalisation of the deal and fast commencement of deliveries, since the entire project hinges upon this crusial component.


On the other hand, we have to rapidly test our Kaveri and improvise on the same in a phased manner so that we are able to develop a feasible home-grown alternative. I think we can do it, provided the non-performers and sloths are weeded out and the entire project is implemented like the 'Project Manhattan'.
 
For that engine, if they are selected, they would share IPR, since that is a requirement to begin with. For these F414s that we are building under license in India, no IPR sharing is there. Perfectly valid.
GE may not share IPR for 110kN AMCA Engine even if it is developed with india.
 
Whether it is GE F404 or F414, USA will not let India compete with its F-16s under any circumstances.
So getting license to build both and world class facilities is worth a lot because India can build similar production facilities for its Kaveri engine derivatives.

No surprises at all.
 
This deal is useless for India time to get back to Kaveri engine and make it work. No need to waste money of this technology.
 
I guess there is no surprises here. It is expected, that is why local no sanction solution is must. Enough effort and money is not spend on engine development. do not expect miracle without hard work.
Money was spent as much as was asked for. But GTRE refused to do the effort.
 
GE may not share IPR for 110kN AMCA Engine even if it is developed with india.
Then they won't be selected. The first condition for that engine is sharing entire IPR. If not, thank you very much.
 
I think its important for India to learn the lesson that USA cant be trusted with strategic weapons or platforms...buy a couple of hundred engines, enter into a JV with French or even the Russians to co develop an engine with IPR and ask GE to take a hike.....the day India signs a JV deal with anyone, GE bosses will line up in front of North Block and start dishing out all options for IPR...they can even come up with a fancy name like GE-F414 IN like F-21.....
 
India must operationalise the Kaveri, then only we can safeguard the IAF interest.
 
What is there to be surprised about on this?
IPR was never going to be shared, and anyone who thinks so is very much mistaken.

We are getting ToT but no IPR. Makes perfect sense. Aero engines are incredibly complex, and no one is just going to hand over IPR. That is a nonsensical expectation to begin with.
US weapons will always come with strings attached - why because it serves their national interest…we must become aatmanirbhar in all military technologies by 2047, no if’s, no buts - we must as it is in our national interest….
 
He he he… Udhaar ki Zindagi….
Thats how US keeps its market share safe…
IPR retained means full control on engine tech, u cannot copy or build something else based on GE414…. U cannot export Mk2 to other nations means safe market with one less competitor for US jets……
Now Baboos must realising the importance of Kaveri….
 

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