GE to Retain Intellectual Property Rights Over Made in India F-414 Engines

GE to Retain Intellectual Property Rights Over Made in India F-414 Engines


Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) and General Electric (GE) are in advanced discussions for the local manufacturing of the F-414 engine, critical for India's Tejas MkII and AMCA MkI fighter jet programs. However, a key point of contention remains: GE will retain the Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) of these engines, even those manufactured in India.

This means that while HAL will gain the capability to produce the engines domestically, GE will retain control over the underlying technology and designs. This restriction could limit India's ability to modify or further develop the engines independently in the future.


Furthermore, any export of Indian fighter jets powered by the F-414 engine will require clearance from the United States, as the technology originates from the US. This could potentially impact India's ability to sell these aircraft to certain countries or regions.

The decision for GE to retain IPR raises concerns about India's long-term aspirations for self-reliance in defence manufacturing. While local production will boost domestic capabilities and reduce reliance on imports, the lack of control over the technology could hinder future innovation and development.

Some experts argue that without IPR, India will remain dependent on GE for upgrades and maintenance, potentially impacting the operational availability of its fighter jets. Others suggest that this is a necessary compromise to acquire advanced technology and accelerate the development of indigenous fighter programs.


Despite the IPR issue, negotiations between HAL and GE are ongoing. Both parties are keen to finalize the deal, recognizing the mutual benefits of collaboration. The Indian government is also actively involved in these discussions, seeking a balanced agreement that serves India's strategic interests.

The outcome of these negotiations will significantly impact India's aerospace industry and its future defence capabilities. It will also set a precedent for future collaborations with foreign defence companies, shaping India's path toward self-reliance in defence technology.
 
Joint IPR is a stipulation for that. If they refuse it, they won't be selected.
who will offer joint IPR, they will talk sweet upfron't to get some order Jet or something else for the engine and once they get the order and payment, they will start playing cat and mouse game and backstab. "Self help is the best help".
 
US weapons will always come with strings attached - why because it serves their national interest…we must become aatmanirbhar in all military technologies by 2047, no if’s, no buts - we must as it is in our national interest….
Whose doesn't?, then we won't get anything, would we part our hard work with other Countries?
 
Should’ve just bought the engine outright, no one will part with crucial tech, stupid fools never learn. Just keep on funding Kaveri, it’ll take time and money, but we’ll get it eventually, which by looks of it is not so far away.
 
He he he… Udhaar ki Zindagi….
Thats how US keeps its market share safe…
IPR retained means full control on engine tech, u cannot copy or build something else based on GE414…. U cannot export Mk2 to other nations means safe market with one less competitor for US jets……
Now Baboos must realising the importance of Kaveri….
Babus always knew the importance of Kaveri, that’s why they gave a blank check to GTRE. But they simply couldn’t make it work. Those idiots had no idea what to even do with the money they were sanctioned. They couldn’t even spend it all.
 
After all the media hype that there will be 80% ToT and that India will be able ot export the LCA MK II to anybody, now we have the reality. I think HAL should go for a different engine eventhough a lot of the initial work has been modeled based on the f-414 engine. The US needs to lear that they can not have the cake and eat it too in every situation.
 
After all the media hype that there will be 80% ToT and that India will be able ot export the LCA MK II to anybody, now we have the reality. I think HAL should go for a different engine eventhough a lot of the initial work has been modeled based on the f-414 engine. The US needs to lear that they can not have the cake and eat it too in every situation.
Bruv we have the ToT. IPR and tot is different
 
He he he… Udhaar ki Zindagi….
Thats how US keeps its market share safe…
IPR retained means full control on engine tech, u cannot copy or build something else based on GE414…. U cannot export Mk2 to other nations means safe market with one less competitor for US jets……
Now Baboos must realising the importance of Kaveri….
Yes, you can but then risk sanctions. Americans are very strict on rules and their companies profits.
 
Don't waste your money and buy them at cheaper rate. Go for development with the British, because they offer total ToT and IPR. The French are expensive and greedy. You need their permission to sell planes with their engine to some other country.
 
This deal is useless for India time to get back to Kaveri engine and make it work. No need to waste money of this technology.
How exactly is it useless, when the Kaveri is not powerful enough for our aircraft? It is just about marginally enough for the Tejas Mk 1A.
 
Then who has engine, we already got burned working with France on the engine besides France has nothing to offer, Germans are the ones who are making engine for their 6th gen aircraft, so our only hope is either GE or RR, at-least GE won't backsta, they will tell it upfront whether they will share or won't.
Only France can help us. They always do what they agree to do. Unlike the Americans who sell us expired missiles and backtrack on testing facilities. As for RR, they don't have any tech. Even for 70s era engine they depend on France. So forget them. Our only hope is France.
 
What is there to be surprised about on this?
IPR was never going to be shared, and anyone who thinks so is very much mistaken.

We are getting ToT but no IPR. Makes perfect sense. Aero engines are incredibly complex, and no one is just going to hand over IPR. That is a nonsensical expectation to begin with.
man ur the most wholesome guy here u started commenting from few weeks and definitely became my fav
always up to mark and make sense
 
man ur the most wholesome guy here u started commenting from few weeks and definitely became my fav
always up to mark and make sense
Thank you. I am glad my insights make sense to you, and are helpful in forming an opinion. The only thing I shall say is that please go through others' insights too. There are many times I miss things, and others' insights are always a wonderful way to get more perspectives.
 
Only France can help us. They always do what they agree to do. Unlike the Americans who sell us expired missiles and backtrack on testing facilities. As for RR, they don't have any tech. Even for 70s era engine they depend on France. So forget them. Our only hope is France.
We don’t want ancient slow technology, we want the latest and fast, France couldn’t even able to upgrade their Rafale with any powerful engine then how can they help India, this is why we stopped buying more than 36.
 

Forum statistics

Threads
3,369
Messages
33,345
Members
2,033
Latest member
Khalid M Bhatti
Back
Top