Gripen-E Can Complement Tejas Mk2 in IAF Fleet due to Similarities in Systems, Engine, and MTOW, Affirms Saab Amidst MRFA Tender

Saab India has asserted that the Gripen-E fighter jet can effectively complement India's indigenous Tejas Mk2 within the Indian Air Force (IAF) fleet. This statement comes amidst the ongoing Multi-Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) tender for 110 jets, where Saab is positioning the Gripen-E as a strong contender.

While some defence analysts argue that acquiring the Gripen-E might lead to unnecessary duplication, Saab emphasizes the potential synergies between the two aircraft.

Both the Gripen-E and Tejas Mk2 belong to the same weight class, with the Gripen-E having a Maximum Take-Off Weight (MTOW) of 16.5 tons and the Tejas Mk2 slightly higher at 17.5 tons.

This similarity has fueled debate about the strategic necessity of procuring the Gripen-E when India is actively developing the Tejas Mk2, which offers marginally better range, endurance, and weapons-carrying capacity.

However, a Saab India official highlighted several advantages of having both aircraft in the IAF fleet. Firstly, both aircraft utilize the same F-414 engine, leading to significant benefits in logistics, maintenance, and training. This commonality could streamline operations, reduce costs, and simplify supply chain management for the IAF.

Secondly, the Gripen-E's modular software architecture allows for seamless integration with various weapons systems. This aligns with the Tejas Mk2's capabilities, ensuring both aircraft can operate with similar armaments and enhancing interoperability.

This compatibility would allow both types of jets to operate from the same airbase without requiring specialized infrastructure for each, offering a significant operational advantage.

Saab's argument focuses on strategic synergy rather than competition between the two platforms. By integrating the Gripen-E, India could leverage Saab's advanced combat systems technology and extensive combat experience, complementing the ongoing development of the Tejas Mk2. This approach could provide India with a diverse yet compatible fighter fleet capable of addressing various combat scenarios.

Despite these arguments, defence analysts remain divided. Some see potential benefits in technology transfer, immediate operational capability enhancement, and reduced logistical complexity.

Others argue that investing in the Gripen-E might not be the most cost-effective strategy when India is already committed to scaling up Tejas Mk2 production and development.

As the MRFA tender progresses, the debate over fleet composition will likely intensify. The decision will hinge on balancing indigenous capabilities, immediate combat readiness, and long-term strategic and financial investments.

Saab's proposal for the Gripen-E, emphasizing coexistence and synergy with the Tejas Mk2, offers a compelling case for how international partnerships can support national defence ambitions without undermining local development efforts.

 

[sanket]

In the beginning, engine commonality exists, but later, Tejas Mk2 is likely to get a 110 kN engine. Second, combat radius is a factor (compared to twin-engine fighter jet contenders in MRFA), plus weapon carrying capacity is another factor. Most importantly, Gripen components are imported from other countries, while Tejas Mk2 will have indigenous components, and after 110 kN integration, it will have close to 90% indigenously produced components, while Gripen will depend upon US-manufactured components and engines. With the same GE-404 engine experience, Saab doesn't have any plans to develop its own engine in the future; they just want to sell the airframe, as Bharat is going to locally manufacture 80% under ToT of the GE-414 engine, and Saab wants to just wash their hands. It is the IAF's requirement, not Saab's. Earlier in MRFA, a single-engine process was started, and thereafter it was canceled, and MRFA was floated, including single and twin-engine. Saab should not forget that.

See the cleverness of European fighter jet OEMs: modular software architecture allows for seamless integration with various weapon systems, but the European Meteor system can't be integrated on other non-European fighter jets. This is pure marketing, nothing else. There was news recently that European OEMs have made a consortium to prevent allowing the Meteor system on other fighter jets that are not European. This way, European fighter jet manufacturers are exposed. Just to get business deals, they can integrate any weapon system on their fighter jets, but can't sell the Meteor missile system for integration on other non-European platforms.

The same theory was applied for Mirage-2000 further upgradation with AESA radar and Meteor BVR missile integration, just to enhance the value of Rafale and other European fighter jets. Integration of the AESA radar and Meteor missile system would have definitely affected the sale of Rafale fighter jets. That's why I say when comparing F-16, MiG-29, and Mirage-2000 upgrade programs, the Mirage-2000 today stands as an outdated fighter jet among these 3 fighter jets, with mostly a ground attack role. Once the MiG-29 is upgraded with the Uttam AESA radar plus Astra BVR series missiles plus the Rudram anti-radiation missile, and in the future BrahMos-NG, it will be a very potent fighter jet among all 3 fighter jets of the same era.

Most importantly, Bharat may be looking for technology sharing under MRFA. The IAF needs a twin-engine fighter jet that can operate on both borders. Gripen doesn't have that much combat range and weapon carrying capacity for performing sorties.

 

[Anant]

Is coexistence possible? Definitely. Is it plausible? Not so much. Is it practical? To be entirely honest, no.

 

[Venkat S]

Is coexistence possible? Definitely. Is it plausible? Not so much. Is it practical? To be entirely honest, no.

I agree with your views. It will be a criminal waste of money. IAF could have gone in for J39 in the absence of TEJAS MK2 project.

 

[Venkat S]

@sanket
J39 has reasonably good sensors, radar, and EW systems in place. But buying the J39 would only be a duplication since Tejas MK2 will have similar capabilities.

 

[sanket]

@sanket
J39 has reasonably good sensors, radar, and EW systems in place. But buying the J39 would only be a duplication since Tejas MK2 will have similar capabilities.

The IAF needs a twin-engine medium-category fighter jet. Tejas MK2 is likely to be inducted with over 250 orders. The initial Tejas MK1A order was 83, then a follow-on order of 97. The IAF is looking for a twin-engine fighter jet rather than a single-engine under MRFA (combat radius and weapon carrying capacity are crucial factors).

 

[Venkiteshwaran]

Gripen is a very good fighter with the capability to take off from short runways or highways. As Tejas Mk2 is in short supply, Gripen is the perfect aircraft against the Chinese. The Prime Minister should induct at least 200 Gripen jets at short notice. India should develop AMCA with 6th-generation capability to leapfrog over the Chinese and Pakistanis. It is a waste of money pursuing Tejas development. It's for defence bureaucrats to think wisely.

 

[Himanshu]

If there is some serious consideration in MFRA, it would be typhoon or rafale. However, if by some miracle the engine issue with GE is resolved, maybe we can see SU57 and it is a daam good plane, it's a modified SU30 with lesser RCS and any trained pilot would do wonders with it.

 

[Kira]

I believe Gripen E would have been decent enough back in the day, say from 2015-16, as HAL could have roped in SAAB to help design and produce the Tejas-MK2 directly instead of the MK-1A detour.

The IAF could have signed a deal for about 100 or so Gripens about a decade back. Then HAL and SAAB could have set the stage for MK-2 production beginning by 2025 or so, with the IAF ultimately inducting 100 Gripen followed closely by about 200 Tejas.

 

[Shrujanam Syama]

Why can't India have light planes (Tejas) & heavy planes (Su-30)? What purpose will medium planes serve that can't be done by a combination of heavy & light planes? Su-30 has a 3000km ferry range just on internal fuel, which is huge.

 

[ASHOK CARROL]

The Gripen's costs and equipment cobbled from many countries do not make it a cost-effective choice for a single-engine aircraft for the IAF. At over 80 million, its cost is in the same league as the F-35. A cost-effective solution at 25-30 million would be the Su-75 with complete transfer of technology to India, with source codes to integrate Indian weapons and sensors and keeping mainly the airframe and IZ-30 engine from Russia. The Indian government could consider joining the Su-75 program and starting an Indian production line at NASIK to build over 12-15 squadrons of the single lightweight stealth fighter starting in 2027-28 with a production run of 24 aircraft per annum.

 

[sumeet biswas]

MRFA listening since I was a kid...

My suggestion to the Saab head in India: please don't waste your time here in India. Our defence planners will definitely not buy it because our defence planners are planning to keep the MiG-21 for the next 50 years. 😂 They will send Wing Commander Abhinandan Varthaman on it again.

 

[Akshat]

Why can't India have light planes (Tejas) & heavy planes (Su-30)? What purpose will medium planes serve that can't be done by a combination of heavy & light planes? Su-30 has a 3000km ferry range just on internal fuel, which is huge.

Light planes are mostly for interception duties. Heavy planes are for long range bombings or missions where huge payloads are required. Medium planes, on the other hand, provide more powerful sensors than light planes, longer endurance, higher payload. These are required for most of the missions IAF is likely to undertake as most of our enemy bases are located in a range of 200 km from the border. Light planes can't do those, and heavy planes are too expensive to do those. So a mix of all 3 is required.

 

[Akshat]

I agree with your views. It will be a criminal waste of money. IAF could have gone in for J39 in the absence of TEJAS MK2 project.

But MoD won't let that happen. HAL had originally promised 2016 as the delivery date (or at least the start of production). Then they promised roll out in 2022. And now we have 2026 as possible roll out date. So at no point IAF could have said that Tejas Mk2 is absent. HAL never allowed them to. And without that, IAF can't order J 39.

 

[Akshat]

Gripen is a very good fighter with the capability to take off from short runways or highways. As Tejas Mk2 is in short supply, Gripen is the perfect aircraft against the Chinese. The Prime Minister should induct at least 200 Gripen jets at short notice. India should develop AMCA with 6th-generation capability to leapfrog over the Chinese and Pakistanis. It is a waste of money pursuing Tejas development. It's for defence bureaucrats to think wisely.

Well the plane did fail the trials last time India tested them (The current planes are based on the same NG that we were offered, with India Specific Enhancements). So definitely not a good enough fighter. Plus if the cost paid by Brazil is any indication, they are way too expensive as well.

 

[Akshat]

If there is some serious consideration in MFRA, it would be typhoon or rafale. However, if by some miracle the engine issue with GE is resolved, maybe we can see SU57 and it is a daam good plane, it's a modified SU30 with lesser RCS and any trained pilot would do wonders with it.

Su-57 is a damn good plane? Bro, the IAF had the option of inducting either FGFA or MRFA in 2018. And it rejected FGFA for MRFA. So the people who actually tested it found it pretty much useless. In fact, Russia canceled 70% of its orders and ordered more Su-35. And China also said it's a substandard plane and the J-20 is far better. So anyone who has had a chance to test it found it to be pretty much useless.

 

[Akshat]

The Gripen's costs and equipment cobbled from many countries do not make it a cost-effective choice for a single-engine aircraft for the IAF. At over 80 million, its cost is in the same league as the F-35. A cost-effective solution at 25-30 million would be the Su-75 with complete transfer of technology to India, with source codes to integrate Indian weapons and sensors and keeping mainly the airframe and IZ-30 engine from Russia. The Indian government could consider joining the Su-75 program and starting an Indian production line at NASIK to build over 12-15 squadrons of the single lightweight stealth fighter starting in 2027-28 with a production run of 24 aircraft per annum.

Even the prototype of Su75 isn't out and you think production can start from 2027-28? Remember, even with Indian money, Su57 took over a decade of testing.

Moreover, Russia ain't ready to even give us anything more than 33% of ToT for Ka226T plane. They won't give us more than 47% ToT of AL31F. All this despite Russian arms export being in free fall, which clearly shows that it is China which is pulling the strings. And you think they would give us ToT of IZ 30 and a stealth plane?

Dream on buddy, dream on.

 

[padmanabhan ramasubban]

The USA is intentionally delaying the GE 414 engine to slow down Indian development of the Tejas MK2. India will face serious supply chain constraints going with US tech & engines. Down the road, even the spares supply chain is a question mark. India should develop an alternate supply source, and Kaveri engine development needs urgent attention. The USA is a partner with dirty tricks and not at all trustworthy. They can go and f*** with their hi-tech, which is not that great. India's space development is an example where the USA played all dirty tricks and lost the game. Russians are more reliable any day than the USA.

 

[Sandeep]

It’s obviously clear that MRFA is definitely not going ahead and we are only keeping that proposal alive to please the foreign countries and make them happy at the prospect or possibility of actually achieving any orders. It’s just too expensive. The main goal is to stick to indigenous jets only.

First they need to fix the manufacturing delays of Tejas MK1A which will help to alleviate the pressure or jet and pilot shortages.

Second they need to start manufacturing the Tejas MK2 jets, quickly finish testing and certifying them and after that they will buy at least 150 jets but mostly more so we can increase our fire power for offensive missions.

Third we need to start quickly manufacturing the AMCA prototypes and carry out its extensive tests so we can certify the technology and capabilities.

Fourth we can start manufacturing the TEDBF prototypes which will mainly be used on the carrier so we need to have it certified for its technology and capabilities. Also the air force can use this jet if they modified it as it’s more advanced than the Tejas MK2 and it can carry more weapons, has better equipment, better technology and has double engines to give it speed and power.

 

[Arin Kumar]

No, they can't exist side by side. If we get a good supply of GE F414 engines and their spare parts, we don't need anything else. The only thing missing in our aeronautical complex is the aero-engine. We have everything else.

 

[Preet]

Su-57 is a damn good plane? Bro, the IAF had the option of inducting either FGFA or MRFA in 2018. And it rejected FGFA for MRFA. So the people who actually tested it found it pretty much useless. In fact, Russia canceled 70% of its orders and ordered more Su-35. And China also said it's a substandard plane and the J-20 is far better. So anyone who has had a chance to test it found it to be pretty much useless.

India left FGFA because Indian authorities played dumb like they mostly do. A short-sighted, careless approach is the reason why we are in this situation. Barring all the stupid reasons spread by our internet trolls about stealth and all, let's get to the facts. India shied away when Russia said it would take $5 billion from India if the IAF wanted a twin-seat variant and the technology we wanted. Of course, we weren't getting those for the $250 million we funded in FGFA, and due to these reasons, we moved out.

And since then, after all the struggles, the Su-57 today is flying operationally and evading all radars; it is bombing with hypersonic missiles in Ukraine. So know [the facts] before you spread your agenda.

Regarding Russia not further ordering and all that stupidity, you will see yourself as a fool in some time when you see crazy orders by Russia for the Su-57. They have officially stated that the AL-51 is delayed. In 2024, it was to go into production, and now it's said to go in 2025. And Russia is waiting for AL-51 engines because they don't want the AL-41 engines. Simple logic.

And China even says the J-20 is better than the F-35 and it can detect the F-22. So China can say all it wants; it isn't a reality. Aise to Russia ne bhi bola the Su-57 is better than the J-20 or J-35 any day.

Now the point is, the Su-57 is a ready plane if the AL-51 goes into production this year, and the IAF must go with it. It will have a complete stealth spectrum after the AL-51. It has a damn good radar and EW suite. Its weapon package is far superior to the F-35 or J-20, and sure, a million times better than any 4.5-gen plane in the MRFA competition. The only issue is the sanctions! But as we got Voronezh, I'm sure the Su-57 is happening or has already happened, just not in the news yet!

 

[obiwankenubi jedi]

Tejas Mk2 is at least 10-15 years away, if you go by the Tejas Mk1, Mk1a saga!

We will need MRFA for sure, either 4.5 gen or then 5th gen as an interim solution.

So either we go with F-16/22, Rafale, Eurofighter, Gripen NG, F-15EX, or Su-35 soon,

or the Su-57, F-35, or KF-21 in adequate numbers until TEDBF, AMCA are ready.

And going by the current state and progress made so far, they might start production in 15-20 years, if we get the F414 and then 110kn new engine deals in place soon,

so that when Tejas Mk2 starts production, we have at least 100+ MRFA jets already inducted.

Gripen has been flying now for 20 years and is in production with 300+ jets, Tejas Mk2 is only on paper yet.

Tejas Mk1 is an older design and with a different engine, radar, etc., and can't be considered the predecessor of Tejas Mk2, really.

Tejas Mk2 is really what should have been the Tejas Mk1, and that too 20 years ago. It's really too late and will be outdated when it starts production in 2035 or so.

 

[Arin Kumar]

India should buy 250 GE F414 engines just off the shelf. No need for ToT. We have been doing ToT with Russia for the last 40 years. What have we achieved? We can't even make the AL-31FP inside India fully.

 

[Akshat]

India left FGFA because Indian authorities played dumb like they mostly do. A short-sighted, careless approach is the reason why we are in this situation. Barring all the stupid reasons spread by our internet trolls about stealth and all, let's get to the facts. India shied away when Russia said it would take $5 billion from India if the IAF wanted a twin-seat variant and the technology we wanted. Of course, we weren't getting those for the $250 million we funded in FGFA, and due to these reasons, we moved out.

And since then, after all the struggles, the Su-57 today is flying operationally and evading all radars; it is bombing with hypersonic missiles in Ukraine. So know [the facts] before you spread your agenda.

Regarding Russia not further ordering and all that stupidity, you will see yourself as a fool in some time when you see crazy orders by Russia for the Su-57. They have officially stated that the AL-51 is delayed. In 2024, it was to go into production, and now it's said to go in 2025. And Russia is waiting for AL-51 engines because they don't want the AL-41 engines. Simple logic.

And China even says the J-20 is better than the F-35 and it can detect the F-22. So China can say all it wants; it isn't a reality. Aise to Russia ne bhi bola the Su-57 is better than the J-20 or J-35 any day.

Now the point is, the Su-57 is a ready plane if the AL-51 goes into production this year, and the IAF must go with it. It will have a complete stealth spectrum after the AL-51. It has a damn good radar and EW suite. Its weapon package is far superior to the F-35 or J-20, and sure, a million times better than any 4.5-gen plane in the MRFA competition. The only issue is the sanctions! But as we got Voronezh, I'm sure the Su-57 is happening or has already happened, just not in the news yet!

And I am sure you have no sources to show us that indeed it was cost and not the capabilities which caused India to back away, right? Because it was officially stated, by both India and Russia, that the detailed work share agreement was already finalized, which is usually done after or along with price negotiations. Not to mention, India specifically said that Su 57 doesn't meet it's requirements.

As for Ukraine, Russia still couldn't manage to defeat a puny Ukraine despite Put!n's promise that they will take it in a week.

So indeed, know before you spread your agenda.

Well we will see when we see. Face right now is that you are the fool as Russia has cut down 70% of the orders. Why are all the Russian fanboys always speaking of the future? Because you can claim anything in the future and don't have to give the proof, right?

China can't buy F35 or F22. They can buy Su 57. But they refuse to. So why is that, I wonder?

And you made all those claims while I gave an actual proof that Su57 is a junk. No one is ready to buy it. Literally, not even Russia. China doesn't care about sanctions. India doesn't. Russia doesn't. So clearly, sanctions ain't the issue. No one just wanna buy it because it's a junk plane.

 

[hector1001]

It’s obviously clear that MRFA is definitely not going ahead and we are only keeping that proposal alive to please the foreign countries and make them happy at the prospect or possibility of actually achieving any orders. It’s just too expensive. The main goal is to stick to indigenous jets only.

Sooner or later (I think it's already happening), these countries won't take India seriously. These companies have better things to do than salivate for a potential Indian order. They have learned from the MMRCA fiasco.