IAF Eyes Revived Kaveri Engine for Tejas Mk1A to Replace Costly Foreign F404, Seeks Strategic Self-Reliance in Expanding Fighter Fleet

IAF Eyes Revived Kaveri Engine for Tejas Mk1A to Replace Costly Foreign F404, Seeks Strategic Self-Reliance in Expanding Fighter Fleet


India is intensifying its efforts towards achieving self-sufficiency in crucial aerospace technology, particularly jet engines. The Indian Air Force (IAF) is showing renewed support for the indigenous Kaveri engine project, viewing it as a potential future powerplant for its expanding fleet of Tejas Mk1A light combat aircraft.

Overseen by the Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE), this initiative aims to eventually substitute the American-made General Electric (GE) F404 engines that currently power the Tejas jets.

The strategic importance of an indigenous engine is clear, according to senior IAF officials. With commitments for nearly 220 Tejas Mk1A aircraft, expected to serve for approximately 40 years, the fleet will require a substantial number of engines – potentially over 700, assuming replacements roughly every decade.

Developing a domestic engine is thus seen as vital for both operational independence and economic prudence. However, GTRE faces a challenging development path, planning first to demonstrate a derivative engine before progressing to a more powerful version tentatively named Kaveri 2.0. This effort aligns with India's broader goal of significantly expanding its fighter fleet, aiming for around 60 squadrons by 2047.

The Tejas Mk1A represents an upgraded version of India's first domestically developed fighter jet. It currently utilises the GE F404-IN20 engine, which provides 54 kilonewtons (kN) of thrust without afterburner (dry thrust) and 84 kN with afterburner engaged (wet thrust).

The IAF initially ordered 83 Mk1As in 2021 and received approval for an additional 97 in late 2023 or early 2024, solidifying its plan for 220 jets. These aircraft are crucial for maintaining squadron strength as older MiG-21s are retired.

Each jet is expected to need at least three engines during its service life. The reliance on the imported F404 comes at a significant cost; a 2021 deal for 99 engines was valued at $716 million (approx. Rs 5,900 crore), placing the per-engine cost around $7.2 million, contributing to a multi-billion dollar expenditure over the fleet's lifetime, excluding maintenance and the risks associated with dependence on foreign suppliers, highlighted by past sanctions.

Deliveries of these F404 engines reportedly began recently, aiming to equip the first Mk1A squadrons by late 2025.

Development of the Kaveri engine began in 1986 specifically for the Tejas program, but encountered significant hurdles over decades, leading to delays and performance shortfalls. By 2017, the engine achieved 49 kN dry and 73 kN wet thrust – an improvement, but still below the F404's output and lacking the required combat reliability.

Consequently, GTRE set aside the original Kaveri for the Mk1A program in favour of the proven GE engine. Despite this setback, the aspiration for a successful Indian fighter engine persisted, driven by the growing scale of the Tejas Mk1A fleet and the long-term financial implications of importing F404s.

GTRE's current focus is on validating a Kaveri Engine Derivative (KDE) equipped with an afterburner module. The goal for this derivative is a wet thrust of 73-74 kN, comparable to the 75 kN thrust of the French M88-2 engine used in the Rafale fighter.

This KDE leverages design improvements stemming from a consultancy with French engine maker Safran (2014-2018), which addressed earlier issues like compressor problems and afterburner stability. Nine prototypes incorporating these improvements have undergone extensive testing.

A demonstration of the KDE is targeted for late 2025. Recent unrelated progress includes Indian firm Godrej Aerospace delivering initial modules for a different, smaller Kaveri derivative (a 48 kN dry engine likely for unmanned systems) to GTRE, showcasing ongoing industry collaboration in engine development.

However, achieving 73-74 kN thrust with the KDE, while a notable milestone, still falls short of the 84 kN provided by the F404 currently used in the Tejas Mk1A. An IAF official acknowledged this performance gap, indicating the KDE, even if successful, would not be a direct replacement in its current form for the demanding requirements of the Mk1A, which includes carrying a significant combat load. GTRE views the KDE primarily as a crucial step to prove the maturity of the core engine technology and manufacturing processes.

The ultimate objective for GTRE is the development of "Kaveri 2.0," envisioned as a significantly more powerful engine. This proposed engine aims for a wet thrust of around 90 kN, which would surpass the F404 and be closer to the GE F414 engine (98 kN) selected for the forthcoming, more advanced Tejas Mk2 aircraft.

Kaveri 2.0 is expected to incorporate advanced technologies, potentially including improved performance at high temperatures (flat-rated thrust) and advanced blade materials, possibly benefiting from technologies developed for India's fifth-generation Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) engine program and insights from the earlier Safran collaboration.

Intriguingly, the projected timeline for developing Kaveri 2.0 aligns well with the Tejas Mk1A's operational schedule. If the KDE validation is successful, developing and certifying Kaveri 2.0 could take an estimated six to seven years, potentially making it ready around 2031-2032.

With the first Mk1As entering service from 2025, their mid-life engine replacements would likely begin around 2034. This creates a potential "window of opportunity," as noted by the IAF official, to integrate a mature, indigenous Kaveri 2.0 engine into the fleet during scheduled overhauls. Realising this ambitious project would likely require significant investment, estimated at around Rs 10,000 crore (approximately $1.2 billion).

Significant challenges remain. The KDE demonstration in 2025 must convincingly prove its reliability, overcoming issues like afterburner stability that affected earlier prototypes. Scaling the design up to the 90 kN thrust target for Kaveri 2.0 without substantially increasing the engine's weight (the Kaveri prototype was already heavier than the F404) is a major engineering hurdle.

Securing consistent and adequate funding, which historically has been limited for the Kaveri project, will be critical. Furthermore, integrating a new engine type will require coordination with Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), which is already managing multiple aircraft production and upgrade programs.
 
Give task to Godrej to make 91-92 KN and 110 KN wet thrust of Kaveri 2.0 engines for Tejas-1A and AF-II.Godrej should ink deal with Rolls Royce to make engines with IP rights !
 
That's great, I have been 100 times saying let GTRE take time to develop 90 kN power plant, maybe a decade will be required for this.

In mid-life upgrade of Tejas MK1A it can be replaced for GE-404 engine. Kaveri derivative will come with flat-rated tech which lacks in GE-404 engine.

Total 220 Tejas fighter will require almost over 600 plus engines over entire life span. Minus GE-404 engine, it's a big opportunity. Market size is good. BrahMos Aerospace, MIDHANI, ISRO & GTRE should join hands to develop lightweight material which can withstand high temp & develop afterburner section.

In a first, shameless GE delayed engine delivery, second by the time they wasted & delayed valuable 18 months, shameless GE would have ramp-up production capacity of GE-404 engine but that too they have been unable to do. Second, now they are hiking GE-414 local assembly deal which they promised big big in earlier days.

Overall, depending on unreliable shameless GE for power plant it is better to have own power plant. Looks like IAF is leading now compared to IA & IN in indigenous defence production.
 
There should be another line of development – since Godrej is manufacturing the Kaveri dry, why not transfer the full know-how – know-why and let them take help from retired ISRO scientists or hire foreign scientists.
 
All these plans are good, but where are the engine test facilities. The KDE is waiting for a High altitude engine test facility for over a year now. At this pace, all stakeholders can forget about having local desi engines.
 
The major issue is lack of engine test bed. Govt should purchase a test bed (4 engine transport aircraft) and convert it into a test bed... Lot of time loss to carry the engine to Russia for testing and also loss of money too..
If you will calculate the money wasted in transportation of engine to Russia this will surpass the price of a new engine test bed...
We need to save both time of our scientists and save the fund money by giving them a proper engine test bed in India...
 
We don't have time so we have to analysis where we are wasting our time and always try to make inhouse test facility of any defence technology because in geopolitics there is no friends only every one looking for their own country profits and looses
 
That's great, I have been 100 times saying let GTRE take time to develop 90 kN power plant, maybe a decade will be required for this.

In mid-life upgrade of Tejas MK1A it can be replaced for GE-404 engine. Kaveri derivative will come with flat-rated tech which lacks in GE-404 engine.

Total 220 Tejas fighter will require almost over 600 plus engines over entire life span. Minus GE-404 engine, it's a big opportunity. Market size is good. BrahMos Aerospace, MIDHANI, ISRO & GTRE should join hands to develop lightweight material which can withstand high temp & develop afterburner section.

In a first, shameless GE delayed engine delivery, second by the time they wasted & delayed valuable 18 months, shameless GE would have ramp-up production capacity of GE-404 engine but that too they have been unable to do. Second, now they are hiking GE-414 local assembly deal which they promised big big in earlier days.

Overall, depending on unreliable shameless GE for power plant it is better to have own power plant. Looks like IAF is leading now compared to IA & IN in indigenous defence production.
True point. They have time till mid-life upgrade, and meanwhile Bharat will get some insights into AMCA engine as well. No doubt GTRE will create powerful engine exceeding 75kN wet thrust.
 
In the time of making IAC-1 INS Vikrant russia deny to give aircraft carrier grade Steel technology to India because of india will become self reliant then russia will bear billions of dollars loss because we were purchasing ships from there...
At the last DRDO and sail developed the grade from their own efforts....
You cannot be dependent on others if you are having such a great vision....
 
I believe instead of trying to beat a dead horse, they should concentrate on delivering a newer generation engine for the upcoming AMCA and other future projects in collaboration with Safran, GE or RR.

As for Kaveri, it can still be salvaged and more fine-tuned variants (lighter and de-tuned) of it can be easily used for future armed drones instead.

Mind you, I am not being a US fanboy here nor am I against the Kaveri project, but since the engine itself is a long way from matching F404 in terms of performance, reliability and weight, it's better to stick with the proven option.

Another point that this article misses is that the introduction of a new powerplant for Tejas would necessitate a whole new round of design changes and modifications, and testing and certification, which would push the already severely delayed Tejas Mk-1 program beyond redemption.

Instead of tying up resources for perfecting an old engine for the least advanced plane in the future IAF, I believe they should concentrate on getting a newer engine and concentrate on getting it ready for newer fighter jets of the future. Let F404 and F414 power the Tejas MK-1 and Tejas MK-2 respectively.
 
India should make two aerospace companies along the lines of the US' United Launch Alliance, modified to Indian needs where we can form a consortium of our private companies and give them the task of developing a complete jet with well-defined parameters for the tech and let them loose and give them the time of 10 years and a guaranteed order volume from the air force if they are able to achieve the defined tech sophistication and the air force should also be barred from adding on things after the program starts. We can't keep relying on govt companies forever as they have no incentive to improve or work.
 
All these plans are good, but where are the engine test facilities. The KDE is waiting for a High altitude engine test facility for over a year now. At this pace, all stakeholders can forget about having local desi engines.
Where is the Twin Engine Test Bed? Is it better than a single-engine fighter jet?
 
I think the private companies consortium of India like L&T, TASL, Kalyani and Others should be given the task of making these engine 53kN dry thrust and 84kN wet thrust with the weight of 1050 kg ceiling and a good operational life. If they are successful, they can also be trusted with a F414 engine replacement.
 
I believe instead of trying to beat a dead horse, they should concentrate on delivering a newer generation engine for the upcoming AMCA and other future projects in collaboration with Safran, GE or RR.

As for Kaveri, it can still be salvaged and more fine-tuned variants (lighter and de-tuned) of it can be easily used for future armed drones instead.

Mind you, I am not being a US fanboy here nor am I against the Kaveri project, but since the engine itself is a long way from matching F404 in terms of performance, reliability and weight, it's better to stick with the proven option.

Another point that this article misses is that the introduction of a new powerplant for Tejas would necessitate a whole new round of design changes and modifications, and testing and certification, which would push the already severely delayed Tejas Mk-1 program beyond redemption.

Instead of tying up resources for perfecting an old engine for the least advanced plane in the future IAF, I believe they should concentrate on getting a newer engine and concentrate on getting it ready for newer fighter jets of the future. Let F404 and F414 power the Tejas MK-1 and Tejas MK-2 respectively.
As per IAF plan they are going to procure 220 tejas mk1 & mk1a aircraft..
Each aircraft have a life of 40 years and engine to be replaced on every 10-12 years...
It means india need 700-750 engines in future... Are we in condition to trust USA for next 40 years and are we are able to pay high cost 750 engines + restrictions on exports with USA engine...
Every time depending on USA is not a good decision for India.
Must focus on kaveri 2.0 And replace GE 404 in upcoming engine refit of our tejas fleet which will schedule after 2033....
 
That Is a good plan. JV may throw some unexpected results. We have seen FGFA, previous efforts with snechms. Assume that the plan gets delayed by 6-7 years. Procure additional F404 engines which will be needed until 2037-38. Once production line closes, there will be delays and uncertainty.
 
In my opinion india should learn from past mistakes n wasting of time in kalyani engine development now it's era of 5th n 6th gen fighter india still dragging on drawing board to achieve our goals india should give private players n ask for russian help in engine technology n complete technological transfer then DRDO can develop on that' basis
 
Where is the Twin Engine Test Bed? Is it better than a single-engine fighter jet?
Taking risk for the country's development is necessary and so using Kaveri on LSP Tejas would save time, money, and duplicity of effort; besides, Kaveri would eventually be certified on a single-engine platform.
 
I believe instead of trying to beat a dead horse, they should concentrate on delivering a newer generation engine for the upcoming AMCA and other future projects in collaboration with Safran, GE or RR.

As for Kaveri, it can still be salvaged and more fine-tuned variants (lighter and de-tuned) of it can be easily used for future armed drones instead.

Mind you, I am not being a US fanboy here nor am I against the Kaveri project, but since the engine itself is a long way from matching F404 in terms of performance, reliability and weight, it's better to stick with the proven option.

Another point that this article misses is that the introduction of a new powerplant for Tejas would necessitate a whole new round of design changes and modifications, and testing and certification, which would push the already severely delayed Tejas Mk-1 program beyond redemption.

Instead of tying up resources for perfecting an old engine for the least advanced plane in the future IAF, I believe they should concentrate on getting a newer engine and concentrate on getting it ready for newer fighter jets of the future. Let F404 and F414 power the Tejas MK-1 and Tejas MK-2 respectively.
GE F404 advertised performance is much below its actual performance, so it should be understood that instead of living under fantasy, it is best to use Kaveri as nearly the same actual performance is rated under Indian climate.
 
A rudimentary imaginary article. Technologies are changing so fast that talking of 90 kN looks absurd and technology is fast becoming redundant.

Actually, based on my two techs, GE F404 is giving at present 152 kN wet thrust. Further, it can give 250 kN thrust on my another tech.

Kaveri New Dry Core is my tech, not any contribution from saffron. It is worthy of giving 59.3 kN dry and 100 kN wet thrust, and with the change of Annular Combustor as based on my tech and another tech, Kaveri like GE F404 can give 230 kN dry thrust.

At present, GE F404 is a much more stable engine. Similarly, Russian Klimov RD33 MK III can give 105 kN dry and 180 kN wet thrust, and Rolls Royce Eurojet 200 can give 120 kN dry and 190 kN wet thrust.

This way, my new technologies can help old engines help Tejas Mk 1&2 supercruise to 230/250 kN on wet thrust with Mach 5 capability. I am saying on wet thrust supercruise, a quantum leap saving on fuel and near-zero afterburner signature to enemy radars.

The Tejas planes can reach a service ceiling height of 100,000 feet and above. One tech adds safety to single-engine planes. Kaveri Dry & Wet Engine can be used in submarines with diesel.
 
Now since we have Godrej as a private partner, let Godrej hire ISRO, DRDO, and foreign scientists to develop a further iteration of the delivered engine. Just give contracts to Godrej so that they can work ahead. GTRE will also keep on working on something new.
 
If India wants to develop a new engine with a higher thrust level and it gives a similar or better performance as the F404 then we will need to develop a brand new engine.

We will also need to 100% indigenously design, develop and manufacture a similar engine like the F404. Compared to the Kaveri engine the brand new engine’s weight has to be lighter, it gives at least 6000hr or more flight time, longer engine lifespan, low maintenance time and cost that needs to be spent and cheaper MRO facilities. This new engine will create an entirely brand new ecosystem to support the new indigenous engine within India which will reduce the final cost compared to the F404.
 
GE F404 advertised performance is much below its actual performance, so it should be understood that instead of living under fantasy, it is best to use Kaveri as nearly the same actual performance is rated under Indian climate.
Prove your point?

As actual performance in Indian hot, humid, and dusty climate is always lesser than rated or in-house performance for any engine.
 

Forum statistics

Threads
4,458
Messages
48,203
Members
3,023
Latest member
lalith
Back
Top