Race for India's AMCA Engine Heats Up as GE, Rolls-Royce, and Safran Present Final Proposals to DRDO

Race for India's AMCA Engine Heats Up as GE, Rolls-Royce, and Safran Present Final Proposals to DRDO


India's program to develop its own fifth-generation stealth fighter jet, the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), is reaching a critical stage. The key decision now is selecting an international partner to co-develop the powerful engine that will propel the aircraft.

DRDO, through its Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE), is currently evaluating final proposals from three major aerospace companies: General Electric (GE) from the United States, Rolls-Royce from the United Kingdom, and Safran from France.

The Indian government is expected to make a decision by the end of 2025. This choice will significantly impact the AMCA's capabilities, India's goal of defense self-sufficiency, and the country's strategic partnerships.

Dr. Samir V. Kamat, the head of DRDO, confirmed the ongoing negotiations at the Aero India 2025 event. He stated that discussions were underway with GE, Rolls-Royce, and Safran for the joint development and production of the AMCA engine, with a decision anticipated by the end of the year. This timeline underscores India's drive to finalize a partner and begin development, with the aim of conducting engine trials by 2033 and starting production by 2035.

Each of the three contenders offers a unique combination of technology and strategic advantages.

General Electric (GE), a long-standing partner that already provides F404 engines for India's Tejas Mk-1 fighter and F414 engines for the Tejas Mk-2 and the initial version of the AMCA (Mk-1), is proposing to co-develop a powerful engine in the 110-130 kilonewton (kN) thrust class. GE offer, with experience, draws from its F414 engine design.

However, GE's proposal does not include a complete transfer of technology (ToT), largely due to U.S. export control regulations and India's existing defense relationship with Russia. While this might limit India's long-term control over the technology, it could allow for faster integration due to established supply chains.

Rolls-Royce, known for its EJ200 engine (which powers the Eurofighter Typhoon) and its involvement in the 6th-generation Tempest fighter program, is offering a co-development model that includes joint intellectual property rights (IPR). The British company is promising a full transfer of technology and the ability to customize the engine specifically for the AMCA.

Rolls-Royce estimates a ten-year timeframe from the signing of the agreement to the delivery of the first engines. Their proposal also emphasizes advanced technologies like hybrid propulsion and thermal management, potentially making the AMCA more adaptable to future needs.

However, the complexities of sharing intellectual property rights could potentially lead to longer negotiation periods.

Safran, the French company that manufactures the M88 engine for the Rafale fighter jet, has presented a particularly strong offer. The company is proposing a 100% transfer of technology, including full intellectual property rights, for a new engine also in the 110-130 kN thrust class.

Safran is leveraging its existing offset obligations from the Rafale deal and a potential plan to revitalize the Kaveri engine program. They pledge to manufacture the engine entirely in India, without any restrictions on exports, and to train Indian companies in crucial areas like metallurgy and design.

This approach strongly aligns with the India's "Atmanirbhar Bharat" initiative. However, the potential for higher costs and a longer development timeline are important factors to consider.
 
Good, but why Time has been wasted in finalizing & signing the deal? This will affect the timeline of manufacturing the new engine by 2035. Almost 4 to 5 years have been wasted. Just fast-track this process. Just keep GE out of the AMCA engine development project. Safran or RR; it will be a European company that will be the foreign partner for the engine development project. Last time at Aero-India 2025, it was news RR was ready to share 100%. Now this article says Safran is ready to share 100%; it's a contradiction.
 
From mid-2024 to end of 2024.. to start of 2025 to now end of 2025..
The counting continues!! Next we will hear start of 2026 guys.. 😍
 
Atleast allocate funds to GTRE for Kaveri 2.0 rather than wasting time and money on these prolonged negotiations
 
When France is objecting to Germany giving TOT in submarine building to India, stating that it will create new competitors in submarine building, hinting about India becoming an exporter of submarines in the future, then how can France be trusted with aero engine technology transfer?
 
We are planning to manufacture GE F414 engines under TOT for Tejas Mk2 and AMCA prototypes.It would be better if we develop an improved version of it, 110kN, for AMCA later variants.Time has changed, along with that, India-USA relations.
 
It's better to go with either RR or Safran, but engine development must be kept in mission mode and must be completed in 5-6 years. As both nations already have expertise in jet engine design and development, and India is also not a novice in the field. GTRE has also gained technical know-how and metallurgical expertise while developing the Kaveri engine and its derivatives. Now the only thing is that we need an indigenous jet engine immediately. Reduce the time in further negotiations and fast-track the process, else no need to discuss all these things.
 
Do anything but just do not trust GE. Their policy is to make you beg for their engines after falsifying all the protocols and contracts and ultimately delay all your projects.
 
None of these OEMs can best the Pratt & Whitney engine for the F-35. I dis has to somehow leverage the US, with the good offices of our PM and President UDA, for this engine for the AMCA. We will waste millions of dollars on any other programme.
 
Good, but why Time has been wasted in finalizing & signing the deal? This will affect the timeline of manufacturing the new engine by 2035. Almost 4 to 5 years have been wasted. Just fast-track this process. Just keep GE out of the AMCA engine development project. Safran or RR; it will be a European company that will be the foreign partner for the engine development project. Last time at Aero-India 2025, it was news RR was ready to share 100%. Now this article says Safran is ready to share 100%; it's a contradiction.
No, keep GE around. Their mere presence will force Safran and RR to offer attractive proposals.
 
I hope Bharat doesn't bow to Donaldji's pressure and select GE. The decision should be taken fast, as 10 years is the time frame in mission mode. But knowing GOI/MOD, I will be pleased if they sign the contract by the end of 2026.
 
When France is objecting to Germany giving TOT in submarine building to India, stating that it will create new competitors in submarine building, hinting about India becoming an exporter of submarines in the future, then how can France be trusted with aero engine technology transfer?
Maybe a good point, but this question will help us to delay more in delivering engines.
 
This is pretty much done and dusted in favor of GE. What is happening now is formalization so that process can be shown as duly followed.
 
Multi-engine option would be best. France has exposed itself, and if we don't learn from history, lessons will be repeated.
 
No, keep GE around. Their mere presence will force Safran and RR to offer attractive proposals.
That's the mistake you made while reading it. I said keep GE out of the AMCA engine development project, and not as a contender. They may participate, but the finalist should be a European company. US companies already have full stomachs, while RR/Safran are more hungry. GE has given "bad experiences" in supplying already-developed engines. Just imagine how much delay can happen to develop a clean-slate design to manufacturing. This is not the first time I am saying this; several times I have said it: the foreign partner for AMCA engine development should be either RR or Safran, a non-US company. In the future, arm-twisting/sanction-prone situations may arise.
 
That's the mistake you made while reading it. I said keep GE out of the AMCA engine development project, and not as a contender. They may participate, but the finalist should be a European company. US companies already have full stomachs, while RR/Safran are more hungry. GE has given "bad experiences" in supplying already-developed engines. Just imagine how much delay can happen to develop a clean-slate design to manufacturing. This is not the first time I am saying this; several times I have said it: the foreign partner for AMCA engine development should be either RR or Safran, a non-US company. In the future, arm-twisting/sanction-prone situations may arise.
Your first four and half lines are again contradictory. However, remaining ones are very good.
 
Your first four and half lines are again contradictory. However, remaining ones are very good.
Let GE participate & give a proposal for Engine development, but selecting them as an Engine development partner & expecting the US to share IPR & MFG all engine components in Bharat will not happen. The US will guard their "Hot core section" ToT plus IPR Rights/Export Rights. If Bharat wants to export any fighter jet based on US/GE as a partner engine, then they have to wait for approval from the US.
 
Let GE participate & give a proposal for Engine development, but selecting them as an Engine development partner & expecting the US to share IPR & MFG all engine components in Bharat will not happen. The US will guard their "Hot core section" ToT plus IPR Rights/Export Rights. If Bharat wants to export any fighter jet based on US/GE as a partner engine, then they have to wait for approval from the US.
I am sorry, but this part of your article is contradictory in the sense that you have already declared your intent to exclude GE from the final reckoning.

It will surely hurt India's interest in getting the best offer from the rivals of GE, who would never offer their best when they know that GE is excluded from the final round.
 
This is pretty much done and dusted in favor of GE. What is happening now is formalization so that process can be shown as duly followed.
No GE doesn’t stand a chance as they won’t transfer 100% of the technology
 
Looking at the comments most are unhappy at the length of time it has taken to finally make a decision.

It’s very very complicated to match the specifications on the type of engine and it’s diameter, length, width, circumference, thrust, fuel, wiring, pipes, metallurgy etc and match it all within the AMCA jets specifications which hasn’t even been built yet or finalised completely.
 
We are still waiting. And, it would take another century to finalize an engine. The process is time consuming and lethargic
 
Do anything but just do not trust GE. Their policy is to make you beg for their engines after falsifying all the protocols and contracts and ultimately delay all your projects.
Agree, but not for the reason you gave. Having GE for future engine development will put us in a high risk of dependency on one company. Recently, the US denied an engine to Gripen E for a jet export to Columbia, which, ironically, is a US ally.

We simply can't trust the USA for our high-end needs like engines.
 
I sincerely hope GE is booted out with the same respect that they showed the whole, suffocating Tejas.
Safran may get selected, but plan B ought to be there.
 
Before investing in this expensive partnership with GE or SAFRAN, the Government of India should invest in establishing at least one university that is dedicated towards aero-engine development and material science. Currently, we have none.

The aeronautical engineering departments that we have teach little to nothing about aero-engine manufacturing or materials needed for them. There is no lab where there is any working model of an aero-engine on display--so that students can feel what it means for an engine to make a plane fly--not even engines for a trainer aircraft or a hobby aircraft. Our aeronautical engineers learn in their colleges only through theory--by professors who themselves have never seen an aero-engine working in a lab.

I am not speaking of engines of drones.

In such a situation, how do you think we can have any meaningful tech transfer from GE or SAFRAN or anyone else if our engineers and scientists are not capable enough to absorb and understand that knowledge?
 
Atleast allocate funds to GTRE for Kaveri 2.0 rather than wasting time and money on these prolonged negotiations
GTRE has galloped funds much more than that of Tejas Mk1 without zero results as of today. Putting more money in GTRE without accountability would be a gross mistake. They are a shameless organisation, worse than NAL and ADE.

Anyone coming to defend GTRE with dry Kaveri and its theoretical performance should come when it is integrated with any actual product.
 

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