US Shows Renewed Interest in Joint Venture for AMCA Engine

India and the United States had previously initiated discussions on co-developing an engine for AMCA program. These talks had stalled due to disagreements over technology transfer. However, last month, during the second meeting of iCET between NSA Ajit Doval and Jake Sullivan, US officials have expressed renewed enthusiasm for the collaboration, signaling a willingness to reconsider India's demands for greater technology sharing.

US officials have privately conveyed that American engine manufacturers like General Electric (GE) and Pratt & Whitney (P&W) possess unparalleled expertise in next-generation fighter jet engine development. They have indicated a readiness to fulfill many of India's earlier requirements, even those previously seen as difficult to secure congressional approval for.

Currently efforts are underway to obtain clearance for an 80% technology transfer of the F-414 engines for local manufacturing by HAL. There are indications that the US might be open to exceeding this 80% mark specifically for the AMCA program.

However, DRDO Chief has previously reiterated the aspiration for a cutting-edge engine, rejecting mere upgrades to existing 4th-generation engines. The goal is to develop a brand-new engine from the ground up, incorporating 6th-generation technology. This engine would not only power the 5th-generation AMCA but also serve future platforms, ensuring its longevity for the next 40-50 years.

Currently, French company Safran is reportedly leading the race with an offer for a new engine for India's AMCA program. The renewed US interest adds a new dimension to this competition, signaling a potential shift in the landscape of India's defence partnerships.

 

[Philippe Picard]

Very true 😸

SCAF ( FCAS) is a 6th generation project, not a 5th generation.....

 

[sanket]

What key they have, France themselves depend on Germany for their 5th gen FCAS engine, they only have keys to develop 4th gen engine.

France have developed Rafale on its own while Euro-Fighter u know how many countries involved.

 

[sanket]

We want 100% ToT's and IP ownership, RR's already offering itself to ourselves 😹😹😹 why not take it a bite of the whole chicken

RR condition is Join Tempest project ,while India wants Engine for AMCA project.

 

[Pad UwU]

Actually we should go with RR, UK has given many technology fully so we should go with RR

But some people still salty and cringey if we mentioning the RR's of UK or the GE's and Pratt and Whitney of US because those two are anglosphere nation

 

[Pad UwU]

RR condition is Join Tempest project ,while India wants Engine for AMCA project.

Never heard or read that news LMAO send some hot sauce source of your's bruh😹😹😹

edit... Or send me us keyword for google search and name of the said site you've got it

 

[Pad UwU]

SCAF ( FCAS) is a 6th generation project, not a 5th generation.....

Maybe @PKPRS got typo.... Yeah I know FCAS/SCAF aka NGF is 6gen project like GCAP Tempest and NGAD

 

[Pad UwU]

France have developed Rafale on its own while Euro-Fighter u know how many countries involved.

france is former member of EFT and go distance itself to continue their own version that is now Rafale... What you said about it is misinformation bruh you can google it

 

[PKPRS]

5th gen FCAS engine????Completly false...SCAF is a 6 generation project....What a credibilty that guy has with false information and a biased and weak mind.

100% Truth, German MTU is supplying MTU Aero engine for FCAS/NGF.

 

[PKPRS]

France have developed Rafale on its own while Euro-Fighter u know how many countries involved.

French learned everything and left half way from Eu’s EFT project, so French didn’t make Rafale alone, Rafale has EFT DNA also.

 

[PKPRS]

Actually, among the 3 RR is the only one that hasn’t developed any (fighter) engine on its own at least in the last4 decades. Even in the F35 prototype, their contribution had nothing to do with the engine but with the vertical lift system. For something as old as the Ador engine also they have to import the compressors.

Pegasus 11-61 (Mk.107) “Hello”, F136 “Hello” XG-50/EJ-200, LIFT system that powers F35-B STOVL Aircraft “Hello”.

 

[Akshat]

Pegasus 11-61 (Mk.107) “Hello”, F136 “Hello” XG-50/EJ-200, LIFT system that powers F35-B STOVL Aircraft “Hello”.

Oh you mean the engine that was ‘rejected’ by US? And even that was made with GE, not alone. They in fact did nothing related to the engine but only the vertical lift system.

So, try again.

 

[Akshat]

But some people still salty and cringey if we mentioning the RR's of UK or the GE's and Pratt and Whitney of US because those two are anglosphere nation

GE and P&W are good, if we can get ToT.

But as of RR, they can’t even develop an Ador class engine without France’s help. Name one fighter jet engine made by them without foreign help in the last 4 decades.

I will wait.

 

[Akshat]

What key they have, France themselves depend on Germany for their 5th gen FCAS engine, they only have keys to develop 4th gen engine.

At least they have made 4th gen engines. UK relies on Gewnace even for 3rd gen Ador engines.

 

[PKPRS]

Oh you mean the engine that was ‘rejected’ by US? And even that was made with GE, not alone. They in fact did nothing related to the engine but only the vertical lift system.

So, try again.

yes , i already mentioned that how it was made and why it was not selected, but Rolls Royce owns that engine, their another engine LIFT System is still used in F35-B STOVL Aircraft.

 

[Akshat]

france is former member of EFT and go distance itself to continue their own version that is now Rafale... What you said about it is misinformation bruh you can google it

It is absolutely true. How many partners made EF engine?

 

[Akshat]

French learned everything and left half way from Eu’s EFT project, so French didn’t make Rafale alone, Rafale has EFT DNA also.

On the contrary, it is EF which stole Rafale’s brilliant DNA but still couldn’t sell enough.

 

[Akshat]

yes , i already mentioned that how it was made and why it was not selected, but Rolls Royce owns that engine, their another engine LIFT System is still used in F35-B STOVL Aircraft.

No they don’t. GE does. They only had the Lift system

 

[Akshat]

But the f414 deal has not been concluded right?
There is still ambiguity if the englishmen will honor their part of the deal.

Forget the Englishmen. Right now IAF is being betrayed by the Bhartiya led HAL itself who refuse to honor their deal to deliver Tejas.

 

[PKPRS]

It is absolutely true. How many partners made EF engine?

British made XG-40 all alone, EJ-200 is a 100% copy of XG-40 engine.

 

[PKPRS]

At least they have made 4th gen engines. UK relies on Gewnace even for 3rd gen Ador engines.

you are very delusional even after I explained so many times.

 

[PKPRS]

SCAF ( FCAS) is a 6th generation project, not a 5th generation.....

FCAS was started as 5.5 gen project, now they renamed to NGF and 6th, but so far very little has been done, partners are already fighting, Germany is thinking of running away to British Tempest camp along with the MTU engine, do France has to use their only good old SNECMA M-88 to power their FCAS/NGF.

 

[PKPRS]

On the contrary, it is EF which stole Rafale’s brilliant DNA but still couldn’t sell enough.

They sold more than Rafale, 480 EF-Typhoons are flying as of Today, how many Rafale’s are made so far, do not add 114, because we are not buying them, even the 26 for the Navy is questionable.

 

[Akshat]

They sold more than Rafale, 480 EF-Typhoons are flying as of Today, how many Rafale’s are made so far, do not add 114, because we are not buying them, even the 26 for the Navy is questionable.

480 with 3 partners. How many have been exported? Manufacturing nations have to buy them.

 

[Akshat]

British made XG-40 all alone, EJ-200 is a 100% copy of XG-40 engine.

Is XG40 being used for anything? And if it is 100% copy, why does EF own website says Germany and Italy developed over 65% of the engine? 😂😂

 

[Akshat]

you are very delusional even after I explained so many times.

Saying the same lie again and again doesn’t mean much