Why India Preferred TKMS over Navantia for P-75(I) Submarine Project, Proven Stealth and AIP Tech Key Factors

Why India Preferred TKMS over Navantia for P-75(I) Submarine Project, Proven Stealth and AIP Tech Key Factors


India's selection of ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) over Spain's Navantia for the Project 75-India (P75I) submarine program has generated considerable interest within defence circles. This decision underscores India's focus on advanced stealth technology and enhanced maritime capabilities.

TKMS is offering a next-generation submarine design featuring a faceted hull, incorporating Low Observable (LO) characteristics. This design represents a significant advancement in stealth technology, effectively making it a fifth-generation diesel-electric attack submarine (SSK).

The unique hull shape is designed to deflect sonar signals, significantly reducing the submarine's acoustic and radar signatures, thereby making it more difficult to detect by contemporary anti-submarine warfare (ASW) systems. This innovative approach distinguishes it from traditional submarine designs.

This advanced SSK class, often termed the “stealth version,” integrates state-of-the-art technologies across its propulsion, sensor, and combat systems.

Germany's own order for these submarines, with the first unit currently under construction at TKMS's Kiel shipyard, further validates the design's technological maturity and reliability.

Several key factors influenced India's choice of TKMS over Navantia, including TKMS's proven experience in delivering submarines equipped with air-independent propulsion (AIP) systems. AIP technology is crucial for extending underwater endurance, a critical operational requirement.

TKMS has also tailored its design to meet India's specific operational needs, providing a strategic advantage in the Indian Ocean region, where stealth and extended submerged operations are paramount.

AIP systems allow submarines to stay submerged for longer periods, increasing their operational effectiveness and reducing their vulnerability. While Navantia also offered a competitive bid, TKMS's demonstrated expertise in AIP and stealth technology appears to have been decisive.

The P75I selection also aligns with India's emphasis on self-reliance in defence production. TKMS has committed to transferring technology, which will bolster India's indigenous submarine construction capabilities.

The submarines will be built at Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders Limited (MDL) in collaboration with TKMS. This partnership ensures that India not only acquires advanced naval assets but also develops the expertise necessary for future domestic submarine development.

This decision is viewed by defence analysts as a demonstration of India's strategic foresight in naval warfare. The addition of these advanced submarines to the Indian Navy's fleet will significantly improve India's maritime security posture and enhance its power projection capabilities within the region. This acquisition strengthens India's position at the forefront of naval technology and reinforces its strategic deterrence capabilities.
 
Whatever the choice, ink the deal earliest. It will take 6 to 8 years to deliver the first sub.
 
It's a wrong decision to select TKMS over Navantia because, first, the TKMS U212/214 is made using 2010s technology, whereas the Navantia S80+ is based on late 2020s tech. Next, the price has gone up from ₹40,000 to ₹75,000 crore. Also, the requirement of P75I specifies it as a 3,000-ton submarine, whereas the U212/214 is 1,800 tons. This means the submarines will need to be enlarged, and their AIP also needs to be enlarged. Remember, curtailing the size is easy, but enlarging is difficult. A sample is the LCA Navy, which was a bit larger than the LCA AF. The DRDO/ADA/ADE couldn't quite do it properly on time and only managed to customize it for the Navy after foreign help.
 
Remember that the German political system is as bad as American in defence supplies. they can sabotage spare supply, technology anytime.
 
the price has gone up from ₹40,000 to ₹75,000 crore.
The Rs. 40,000 crore price tag dates back a very long time. Considering inflation, price escalations, and the like, the price will increase. I am not saying Rs. 70,000 crore for six submarines isn't ridiculously expensive; it most certainly is. However, that is just how these things go.
 
TKMS is unsure of the AIP technology. Can its engine match with the French subs pump jet. India was trying hard to get this stealth technology but in vain
 
Germany is the one of the leading country in submarine technology
Yes, but they are unwilling to give their leading technology but are developing an experimental submarine for India that it would never use. IF one does not understand the folly in that then they have forgotten of MTU engines non-supply and scorpene submarines leaks.
 
TKMS is unsure of the AIP technology. Can its engine match with the French subs pump jet. India was trying hard to get this stealth technology but in vain
Germany is the pied piper leading India to nowhere, unwilling to part with technology it uses, but insist on experiment design be financed by us that it will never use, so if any trouble with craft, then our headache as an experimental design..
 
The Rs. 40,000 crore price tag dates back a very long time. Considering inflation, price escalations, and the like, the price will increase. I am not saying Rs. 70,000 crore for six submarines isn't ridiculously expensive; it most certainly is. However, that is just how these things go.
It is not worth as not a nuclear sub, nor there is 100% ToT. Some offsets are given in every deal.
 
Germany is the pied piper leading India to nowhere, unwilling to part with technology it uses, but insist on experiment design be financed by us that it will never use, so if any trouble with craft, then our headache as an experimental design..
Let's us see where it ends. The new German government can cancel the deal as Scholz not in power anymore.
 
Hope Indian Navy absorbs this technology and does not depend on importing SSK in future.
 
We should for higher numbers at least 10-12, just 5-6 is not enough.
A decent step would be to speed up work on the Project 76 submarines, increase that class to 12 boats, and maybe take an extra 3 options on Project 75I just in case of delays.
 
It is not worth as not a nuclear sub, nor there is 100% ToT. Some offsets are given in every deal.
Sir, nuclear submarines are far, far more expensive than that. Moreover, we will be co-developing the design along with TKMS, and we will get both the design and the shared IPR for the design and most pf the design elements.. That would allow us to use design elements for our future projects or even to build and export more submarines to the design ourselves.
 
Let's us see where it ends. The new German government can cancel the deal as Scholz not in power anymore.
The new German government isn't comprised of idiots. They know full well what the deal represents in terms of defence partnerships and for TKMS' future.
 
I am very happy for India as I prefer German subs more but very sad for Navantia. Navantia actually has a good product. I like competition worldwide and especially enjoy when a small country can build something so complicated. I hate when there are only two options like either you're American or Russian. I hope Navantia gets more orders from a different country.
 

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