ADA Tejas Mark II: India's Next-Gen Fighter - Discuss the Future!

[Dr. Venkateswara Rao. Korasiga]

Our project management has to be improved a lot otherwise long delays will eat away what ever R&D achievements will wash away in the wake of rapid developments in innovation elsewhere. Lab to land is another crucial area where our people are failing. Don't keep innovation to your chest but to be sold to local industries and make them your vendors. Vendor development is very crucial which takes long time. Unless we have our own ecosystem of suppliers delays in production do happen. It is important to understand these important factors in rolling our new products.

 

[Anant]

Good

Africa
south east asia
middle east
south east asia

are our target

also private production line should be started

1. The aircraft is several years behind schedule, and still not on the ground actually.
2. HAL has proven to be incapable of efficiency production rates.
3. A number of foreign orders don't go through because the Tejas has equipment from way too many nations running it.
4. Private players haven't been invited, and they haven't shown interest either, simply because of a lack of sustained orders.

With all that said and done and with improvement on those aspects not exactly visible, are you still sticking to your point?

 

[Anant]

Even though Tejas MK2 hasn't been developed or made in detail they were sure that the technology would of been ready and progressed.

As per HAL themselves, they are aiming for a roll-out in late 2025 and first flight in late 2026 or early 2027. Considering their track record, I'd push those dates back by 6-12 months each.

Even with that, they should be ready to start production by 2030. As for the production capacity, HAL claims they are working on increasing it, but I'll believe it when it actually happens.

 

[Anant]

Dreaming of export orders even before a single plane is produced and delivered to the IAF,it's like PSUs are already on 6G internet!!

Knowing them, they are already at 8G or beyond. After all, 6G is on the horizon.

 

[Anant]

120-200 Tejas Mk II are not enough for India by any means.

Tejas Mk II is the bread and butter, and meat and potatoes type of fighter for India and it will replace all of Jaguars, Mirage-2000IPGs, Mig-29UPGs, and all those Migs already retired.

Tejas Mk IA is to replace all of Mig-21s and some as it has tremendous potential as it will carry Astra Mk I immediately and keep the enemy at least 90+ kms away from border while still flying safely 20 kms in Indian lands.

India and IAF must concentrate on this fighter of the future.
Best wishes.

We have some 160 Jaguars, 55 Mirage 2000s, and 75 MiG-29s in the IAF. That works out to 280 fighters in total. Now, if the UAF procures 180 Tejas Mk 2 aircraft (10 squadrons) plus trainers, then they can recoup the present squadron strength once you add in the 114 MRFA aircraft. The main catalysts to grow squadron strength seem to be the Tejas Mk 1A, and eventually, the AMCA.

 

[beencensured]

The MK2 can best try to equal the gripen E IF everything goes well. This self praising saying that it is the best fighter in the world should stop. even the chinese dont do it.Only Pakistan does it regarding the jf-17.

Like the Tejas whipped the grippen c&d so will tejas mk Ii kick both rafale and grippen e.

 

[Jay K Sinhal]

Two most important things, adhering to a timeline and quality control will decide the course of Indian aerospace industry.

 

[Aayush Dhaundiyal]

I don't know mate, the say have vision and pushing the marketing but the factory output is redundant. Most likely the Tejas ii will start post production of 1a(likely 2030) by then no one would be interested. Even then the production rate would barely be meeting domestic demands. If the claim of TOT then it will be the biggest bogus as how dependable would it be when HAL is crawling in ints own country.

 

[charminar_waale_ismail_bhai]

1. The aircraft is several years behind schedule, and still not on the ground actually.
2. HAL has proven to be incapable of efficiency production rates.
3. A number of foreign orders don't go through because the Tejas has equipment from way too many nations running it.
4. Private players haven't been invited, and they haven't shown interest either, simply because of a lack of sustained orders.

With all that said and done and with improvement on those aspects not exactly visible, are you still sticking to your point?

We don't take Frank very seriously over here.

 

[charminar_waale_ismail_bhai]

As for the production capacity, HAL claims they are working on increasing it, but I'll believe it when it actually happens.

By "increasing production capacity" they were referring to the production capacity of Samosas for the HAL staff.

 

[Anant]

By "increasing production capacity" they were referring to the production capacity of Samosas for the HAL staff.

Don't forget the new stoves they are getting for Chai, boss.

 

[Anant]

We don't take Frank very seriously over here.

Oh, I know. Anyone who feels you can get world-beating military equipment simply by having the best minds (and nothing else) can't be taken seriously on a forum such as this.

I just posted that as an indication of just how far we are.

 

[Rajsn]

I hope you had the brains to understand that more export orders means our forces can buy more, we can spend more on R&D.

For that you need Enough Production !!! LOL

 

[Rajsn]

Good

Africa
south east asia
middle east
south east asia

are our target

also private production line should be started

Dillusional. You forgetting HAL's track record .....

 

[Rajsn]

Oh, I know. Anyone who feels you can get world-beating military equipment simply by having the best minds (and nothing else) can't be taken seriously on a forum such as this.

We can not even claim to have worlds Best minds , looking at our DPSU's Record & performance.....or Non Performance. Lol

 

[Rajsn]

Laudable efforts.. however the engine issue with GE must be sorted out before dreaming.. 20 engines/yr from GE will not be sufficient for combined internal & export orders..

Can HAL even produce 20 Aircraft a year .....lol

 

[Pink Panther]

What a joke. Fix your production first.

HAL, can you make a prototype first.

 

[Pink Panther]

Like the Tejas whipped the grippen c&d so will tejas mk Ii kick both rafale and grippen e.

and Eurofighter Typhoon.

 

[Pink Panther]

there is no official statement of the MOD regarding export of the MK2.

it is not just reported by Kunde, it is all over the internet in many news media, I think HAL pays to spread these kind of rumor.

 

[Anant]

We can not even claim to have worlds Best minds , looking at our DPSU's Record & performance.....or Non Performance. Lol

Frank here has the idea that if we were to take the top 100 or so engineers graduating from IITs each year and put them to work in our DPSUs, then we will have an aircraft engine ready within a decade. He completely ignores other things such as funding, infrastructure, company culture, testing experience, etc.

 

[desigandu]

Good goals, but it is pie in the sky as of now...We must fix DRDO + HAL and deliver domestically before dreaming about these exports...Just compare DRDO+HAL on one side with ISRO+BARC on the other side and it is worth asking why needs to change, and how fast...India cannot be military power without a transformed DRDO+HAL...I love India and wish it very well, but at the same time am realistic about the possibilities...Change is hard (I have 25+ years of experience as a global strategy consultant) and I know what it takes....Unless there is clear political vision, backed up with a strategy, hard choices and a relentless pursuit of delivering it - it tends to fail or is half-baked.

 

[NSR]

We have some 160 Jaguars, 55 Mirage 2000s, and 75 MiG-29s in the IAF. That works out to 280 fighters in total. Now, if the UAF procures 180 Tejas Mk 2 aircraft (10 squadrons) plus trainers, then they can recoup the present squadron strength once you add in the 114 MRFA aircraft. The main catalysts to grow squadron strength seem to be the Tejas Mk 1A, and eventually, the AMCA.

Works out to 290 actually + all those Mig-27s, 25s, 23s, etc which were retired and never replaced = 300 to 400 Tejas Mk 2s.

Tejas IAs with a drop tank or two will replace many of the Mig-21s.

114 MRFA * $300 millions or more by the time India awards it will come to $34+ billions.
Too costly to even think about them, and India will not get any TOTs from anyone at all.
May be 36 additional Rafales for IAF will do.

Send rest of the money to Tejas Mk 2, TEDBF and AMCA, and of course fighter engine development and manufacturing at WARP SPEED.

 

[RonitBisht]

Tejas MkII Getting Ready for Assembly with First Flight Expected in 2026​

The Tejas MkII, the next-generation fighter aircraft of the Indian Air Force (IAF), is progressing at a rapid pace, with the completion of assembly fixtures and jigs anticipated by late 2024. This makes it possible for assembly, which has been planned since late 2023, to start by the end of this year.

The programme sets component priorities according to delivery times in order to optimise the assembly process. Orders for components with longer lead times have already been placed, and orders for parts that can be manufactured more quickly will follow. This prevents delays and ensures a constant flow of materials.

According to the present plan, Tejas MkII will be launched by the end of 2025, with its first flight scheduled for 2026. The program's creators, HAL-ADA, have two years to approve the aircraft for basic weapon integration so that limited production may begin by 2028. Phase-by-phase clearance of sophisticated weapons has been assumed by the IAF.

The IAF will initially replace its ageing Jaguar squadrons with Tejas MkIIs, then its fleets of Mirage-2000 and MiG-29. By 2040, the audacious plan hopes to acquire around 200 units, greatly enhancing the IAF's capabilities.

 

[Pink Panther]

Let Tejas MK2 prototype gear up fast.

 

[yogesh]

Great news. Many squadrons can be established!