Analysis Did India Overpaid for Mirage 2000 Upgrade? Value and Capabilities Provoke Debate

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In 2011, India embarked on a substantial $2.1-$2.2 billion endeavor to upgrade its aging Mirage 2000-H fighter aircraft fleet to the 2000-5 standard. This ambitious project, carried out in collaboration with the French company Thales, aimed to breathe new life into 51 aircraft.

However, since its inception, the deal has been under intense scrutiny for its cost-effectiveness and perceived limitations in bolstering the fighter jets' capabilities.

The Cost-Benefit Conundrum​

One of the most contentious aspects of the upgrade deal has been its cost. Reports suggest that each upgrade cost as much as the original price of a new Mirage 2000 when they were first acquired in the mid-1980s.

This has led critics to question whether the financial investment yielded a proportional increase in firepower or overall combat capability.

Missing Pieces: AESA Radar and New Engines​

A significant point of criticism lies in the absence of an Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar in the upgrade package. AESA radars are widely regarded as the gold standard in modern aviation, offering superior target tracking, engagement, and resistance to jamming.

The exclusion of this technology is viewed as a substantial missed opportunity. Open-source information suggests that France was hesitant to include the advanced RBE2 AESA radar, developed for its Rafale fighter jets, despite its successful testing in 2009.

Moreover, the upgrade did not include new engines for the Mirage 2000. An upgrade to the more powerful M53-P2 engines could have significantly enhanced the aircraft's performance, range, and payload capacity. This omission further fuels the debate about the upgrade's overall value.

Strategic Limitations: Radar Code and Weapon Integration​

The radar system upgrade's lack of open-source code also raises concerns. Without access to the source code, Indian engineers cannot readily integrate domestically developed weapon systems, such as the Astra MkI and MkII air-to-air missiles.

This dependency on foreign technology limits India's ability to independently upgrade and customize the aircraft's weaponry to meet its evolving defense needs.

The Verdict: A Mixed Bag​

While the upgrade did introduce some improvements, including enhanced avionics, navigation systems, and weapons management systems, the absence of an AESA radar, new engines, and open-source radar code has left many questioning whether the expenditure was justified.

Without these critical upgrades, the Mirage 2000-5 may still lag behind contemporary fighter jets in sensor capabilities and overall performance.

The inability to seamlessly integrate indigenous missile systems further restricts India's strategic autonomy. Additionally, reliance on foreign technology and support for crucial upgrades can pose vulnerabilities in times of geopolitical tension.

Considering the significant financial investment, some defence analysts propose that the resources could have been more wisely allocated towards acquiring new aircraft with cutting-edge technology and greater long-term potential.

Conclusion​

The 2011 Mirage 2000 upgrade deal remains a subject of intense debate and scrutiny within India's defence circles.

While the objective was to modernize and extend the service life of these aircraft, the high cost, coupled with the perceived limitations in radar, engine, and integration capabilities, continues to raise questions about the overall efficacy and value of the upgrade.
 
US is integrating Metror as an interim in its fighter jets until AIM-260 JATM becomes production ready, Typhon and Gripen carry Meteor, Meteor is not exclusive French product.
Nope. Meteor is only being integrated on certain F35, in which most EU nations are a partner. So it’s not a foreign plane.
 
Nope. Meteor is only being integrated on certain F35, in which most EU nations are a partner. So it’s not a foreign plane.
which means it could be integrated upon user request on any US plane including Indian jets with Indian Radar, which implies these radars and source code be altered to use Meteor or any other foreign missiles of NATO nations and friendly Countries if you get permission from MBDA, because everything NATO countries make are compatible with each other
 
which means it could be integrated upon user request on any US plane including Indian jets with Indian Radar, which implies these radars and source code be altered to use Meteor or any other foreign missiles of NATO nations and friendly Countries if you get permission from MBDA, because everything NATO countries make are compatible with each other
Nope. It’s not compatibility. They don’t install it on any third country plane. So even if installed on US planes, they can’t be sold to India. It can be integrated on US planes for US and Indian planes for India. But F15 sold to India can’t have it.
 
Meteor is not available with any foreign fighter/radar. And F16 lost to Rafale in MMRCA. Tejas mk2 isn’t coming in this decade or the next.
Lies
Kf-21 test fired meteor...

Can't say anything particular but upgrade package of Mirage was way too costly!! But if IAF is happy with the upgrades then it's all good!!
 
Where are the already ordered mk1a? 😂😂
On the way. Jealous Frenchie.

IAF took more time to place the order than HAL took for the first-flight.And this I’m counting it from the day of the RFP response by HAL.If we start counting from the day of the induction of Mk1, it would be good 6 years. Had IAF put in those $2.5B in Tejas instead, we could have had 5 squadrons of them by now.All that was needed was to move to 16 LCA hangars instead of 5. The story would have so different. Lost opportunity.

BTW, Dassault took good 5 years to deliver the first Rafale with all India Specific Enhancements.
 
Nope. It’s not compatibility. They don’t install it on any third country plane. So even if installed on US planes, they can’t be sold to India. It can be integrated on US planes for US and Indian planes for India. But F15 sold to India can’t have it.
We have 36 jets that we bought for $10Bln to fire Meteor, we have atleast 100’s of those missiles, that is plenty, if we need more we will have Tejas MK1A once we start fitting UTTAM radar to fire Meteor, or we could just send back all the Meteor to France and instead use Astra MK1,2 or and buy R37M from Russia that has even further range and use them instead until Astra MK3 is inducted, we have a variety of options, we don’t depend on Meteor and live our lives or rather loose our lives for it, and for this reason we don’t need to buy a $300Mln jet, US jets will soon have AIM-260 JATM with more range, so they don’t bother about Meteor either, nether Russian jets or Chinese jets.
 
Kindly note that this was same time when former Indian Air Chief Marshall was named in Augusta Westland Scam. Maybe this too had some scam in the name of upgrades.
 
Lies
Kf-21 test fired meteor...

Can't say anything particular but upgrade package of Mirage was way too costly!! But if IAF is happy with the upgrades then it's all good!!
Yep that’s what I was saying, Gripen and Typhoon use Meteor as a staple missile for long range A2A engagement and AIM-120 AMRAAM for medium range and AI-132 ASRAAM for short range A2A engagement.
 
Nope. Meteor is only being integrated on certain F35, in which most EU nations are a partner. So it’s not a foreign plane.
Full of lies as usual, Gripen and Typhoon are not foreign planes, Meteor is not exclusive French product and neither Scalp.
 
Full of lies as usual, Gripen and Typhoon are not foreign planes, Meteor is not exclusive French product and neither Scalp.
Did I say French? Meteor is EU product and is only available for EU products or products which are indigenous to the customer nation (not done yet).
 

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