How India Could Save Billions by Choosing "Made in India" Su-57 Over F-35, Filling IAF's Dwindling Squadron Quickly and Potentially Exporting

How India Could Save Billions by Choosing Made in India Su-57 Over F-35, Filling IAF's Dwindling Squadron Quickly and Potentially Exporting


India could potentially save billions of dollars and rapidly modernize its air force by opting for a "Made in India" version of the Russian Su-57 fighter jet over the American F-35, according to recent claims by Russian officials. This move could also open significant export opportunities for India in the global defence market.

At a recent defence event, representatives from Rostec, Russia's state-owned defence corporation, stated that an Indian-manufactured variant of the Su-57 Felon, Russia's fifth-generation stealth fighter, would be considerably less expensive than the Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II.

While the F-35A currently has a flyaway cost of approximately $78-80 million per unit (according to Lockheed Martin and US Department of Defence figures for Fiscal Year 2024), Rostec officials suggested the Indian-produced Su-57 would undercut this price. The precise cost of the "Made in India" Su-57 was not disclosed.

The F-35's flyaway cost, while decreasing in recent years due to increased production, does not include the substantial additional expenses associated with maintaining the aircraft, training pilots, and integrating weapons systems. These factors can significantly increase the overall lifecycle cost per jet, often exceeding $100 million.

Rostec's claim implies that a Su-57, produced within India's cost-effective manufacturing environment, could achieve a price significantly below the $80 million benchmark.

Drawing parallels with India's licensed production of the Su-30MKI by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), analysts have provided potential cost estimations. A recent order of 12 Su-30MKI jets by the Indian Air Force (IAF) cost approximately $1.6 billion, or $133 million per unit. However, that price reflected a small, highly customized order.

With a larger production run and streamlined processes, experts believe a "Made-in-India" Su-57 could cost between $60 million and $75 million per unit. This estimation considers India's lower labor and material expenses, technology transfer agreements, and the experience gained from HAL's Su-30MKI program, where larger order per-unit costs were in $62-70 million range, with earlier Russian supplied units costing as low as $40 million.

The success of this cost-saving strategy depends heavily on India's ability to mirror its achievements with the Su-30MKI program, which involves a blend of imported components (such as engines and radar) and domestically produced parts.

Russia's apparent willingness to transfer a greater degree of Su-57 technology, in contrast to the highly restricted F-35 program, could further reduce costs by eliminating the premium associated with U.S. export controls and intellectual property rights.

A Su-57 priced below $80 million would be a significant development for both India and the international defence market. The IAF is currently facing a reduction in its operational squadron strength, aiming for 42 squadrons but currently operating around 30. An affordable fifth-generation jet could swiftly address this shortfall, providing a stopgap solution while India's indigenous AMCA program, scheduled for 2032, is under development.

The Su-57 would complement the IAF's existing fleet, which includes Su-30MKIs, Rafale jets, and the anticipated LCA Tejas Mk1A and Mk2, adding a stealth capability currently lacking in the fourth-generation aircraft.

On a global scale, a competitively priced Su-57 could disrupt the F-35's market share, particularly in regions like Southeast Asia, Africa, and Latin America, where the F-35's extensive lifecycle costs (estimated to be $1.7 trillion across the fleet's lifespan, as of 2023 figures ) are often prohibitive.

Nations currently operating Su-30 aircraft, such as Vietnam, Algeria, and Indonesia, might find a "Made-in-India" Su-57 a compelling and financially viable upgrade, potentially supported by financing options from Russia and India. This could significantly enhance India's position as a major arms exporter.
 
Su-57 offer certainly going to put pressure on Dassault Rafale & Eurofighter fighter jet which are contender in MRFA, Dassault may likely flexible to share ToT, plus local assembly with local pvt players with eco-system & autonomy of integrating sensors & weapons plus export opportunity, Dassault badly need business & MRFA will add spice to it. Remember MRFA is last opportunity to sale fighter jet for European companies, F-35 order is likely to b limited while Rafale, Eurofighter & Su-57 are going to b over 100 fighter, competition is going to hot up.
 
Fun fact: HAL-assembled Su-30 MKI costs considerably more than similarly specced Su-30s manufactured by Irkutsk.

What special chyawanprash will enable us to produce Su-57s for cheaper compared to those produced by the Russians themselves?
 
Please keep HAL away from SU-57 or F-35, specially. TATA should be good with F-35. For SU-57, let HAL produce, but in association with Adani or L&T, or break HAL into parts. HAL has got pathetic maintenance and crash records.
 
Su-57 offer certainly going to put pressure on Dassault Rafale & Eurofighter fighter jet which are contender in MRFA, Dassault may likely flexible to share ToT, plus local assembly with local pvt players with eco-system & autonomy of integrating sensors & weapons plus export opportunity, Dassault badly need business & MRFA will add spice to it. Remember MRFA is last opportunity to sale fighter jet for European companies, F-35 order is likely to b limited while Rafale, Eurofighter & Su-57 are going to b over 100 fighter, competition is going to hot up.
Dassault already ditch our country in technology terms. They faked promise so no more chance of new orders to them.
 
Dassault already ditch our country in technology terms. They faked promise so no more chance of new orders to them.
Then why IN is going with the 26 Rafale M deal..............???? In May 2025, the foreign partner for engine development for the AMCA 110 will be known. If it is RR, then Dassault's chance of winning the MRFA is less. Then, anything can happen: Eurofighter, Su-57, or Dassault, whoever meets the MRFA criteria will be the winner. Sometimes I feel the MRFA order is just for pleasing France for becoming an engine development partner. While Safran is unwilling to share certain technology with GTRE, they want to keep the IPR for critical features & not 100% ToT for the engine is going to happen. At least 10% to 20% GTRE has to depend on Safran for components that will be manufactured & produced only in France, while the RR offer looks best. GE & Safran's offer looks identical.
 
Fun fact: HAL-assembled Su-30 MKI costs considerably more than similarly specced Su-30s manufactured by Irkutsk.

What special chyawanprash will enable us to produce Su-57s for cheaper compared to those produced by the Russians themselves?
Fun fact: Cost was the same per jet, but training facilities, setting up an assembling facility for both jet and engines, procuring weapons, & ToT so that India can integrate their own weapons, due to this the cost of the jet increases. If India directly imported these jets from Russia, it would have cost less.

In the case of the F35, we are not going to get any of these except training & weapons; that's why the cost is 115 million per jet. Similarly, if India directly procures the Su-57 from Russia, it will cost the same, 80 million USD.
 
Fun fact: HAL-assembled Su-30 MKI costs considerably more than similarly specced Su-30s manufactured by Irkutsk.

What special chyawanprash will enable us to produce Su-57s for cheaper compared to those produced by the Russians themselves?
Even Dassault Rafale is produced under ToT in Bharat with local pvt players & local eco-system, it will cost 15% to 20% more compared to Rafales manufactured in France. There is no chawanprash. Fun Fact: any fighter jet produced locally under ToT, whether it is by a DPSU or pvt player, will cost more because of the premium over ToT. The K-9 Vajra howitzer is a good example, where it is produced by L&T, a pvt player, but the cost is high compared to if directly imported from South Korea. Is there any chawanprash for that.......................????
 
Even Dassault Rafale is produced under ToT in Bharat with local pvt players & local eco-system, it will cost 15% to 20% more compared to Rafales manufactured in France.
Source of your analysis?
The K-9 Vajra howitzer is a good example, where it is produced by L&T, a pvt player, but the cost is high compared to if directly imported from South Korea.
Again, considering that the per unit peice of K9 Vajra is not available in public domain. Could you shed some more light on how much more expensive are the L&T vajra over Hanhwa K9-T?
 
If SU-57 manufacturing under "Made in India" is expensive, just like the SU-30, then the government should think of manufacturing in Russia, but Indian companies should be included in the supply chain to a large extent, & all repairs & servicing hubs should be established in India. But this will not lead to TOT, so it's up to the Defence Ministry & IAF to decide what is best, as local manufacturing will also help to add Indian weapon systems into it, though manufacturing will become expensive.
 
This is not vegetable market to save money. You want quality hitech weapons you have to pay more. One can mount a gun on maruti 800 and call it a cheap option compared to a tank.
A bankrupt country like pakistan wants to acquire a stealth fighter Jets.. and we are planning to acquire a 4th generation.
No doubt su57 is better than any 4th generation fighter but it's not true blue stealth fighter.
 
This is not realistic as the MKI, with about 240 produced to date, still has a higher price tag, and too with a lower level of technical sophistication, and a larger total global production run for both exports and Russian service.
If anything, the Su-57, with its more complex and advanced tech and more limited production run, will ensure its price will only skyrocket as compared to the MKI and F-35.As for 40-year LCC figures, Russian fighters typically cost less initially, but their LCC balloons over time due to significant maintenance, servicing, and spares requirements as compared to Western types.
The Su-57 being a twin-engine jet, as compared to the single-engine F-35, won't naturally help its case either.
 
Russia's offer matches more than our needs and will also save money. In the past when India was in a similar situation, it did everything to raise the prowess of Indian Air Force to surpass its adversaries. India has already invested billions of rupees in developing the SU-57, so it is natural for her to use that plane till such time AMCA is ready to join.The arrival of this plane in India will be enough to cool down its adversaries.
 
Anyway, production cost will be way cheaper than F-35. We can set up a manufacturing line for SU-57E. The Russians have assured us, just like in SU-30MKI, we can customize this jet to the extent we want, including mission computers, subassemblies, avionics, and weapons packages that are carried internally and externally, and we will get full ToT. Our IAF is very good in customization. We can even get the ALF-51 engine, now under testing, later.

We can also export SU-57E from our production lines along with Russia. Just as we need the Russians, the Russians will need us too for capital and for manufacturing other product lines, like the commercial aircraft program. President Putin himself offered to set up a production line in India for that. At last we can "Make in India" and fulfill "Atmanirbhartha" in the real sense of the word.

This is the opportunity of a lifetime. At the right time. When the Asia Pacific is going to heat up. We need squadrons of SU-57E. We need to hone our ISR capabilities. We need to be nimble and assemble small drones. We need to learn drone warfare from the Russians.

Stop buying MQ9 Reapers, plz. We need to focus on Electronic warfare. Russia is a master at this. We need our own cyber warfare capabilities. Finally, we need powerful EM technologies and the skill to use them.

After all this, if and when Kurt Campbell calls, we can or don't have to reply. We will have our strategic autonomy. Our borders will automatically become secure.
 
Then why IN is going with the 26 Rafale M deal..............???? In May 2025, the foreign partner for engine development for the AMCA 110 will be known. If it is RR, then Dassault's chance of winning the MRFA is less. Then, anything can happen: Eurofighter, Su-57, or Dassault, whoever meets the MRFA criteria will be the winner. Sometimes I feel the MRFA order is just for pleasing France for becoming an engine development partner. While Safran is unwilling to share certain technology with GTRE, they want to keep the IPR for critical features & not 100% ToT for the engine is going to happen. At least 10% to 20% GTRE has to depend on Safran for components that will be manufactured & produced only in France, while the RR offer looks best. GE & Safran's offer looks identical.
RR is willing to offer full IPR if we manage to persuade KAI to partner for the new engine for their upcoming K-21 fighters, since they're also using the F-414. Developmental costs can be divided with shared ToT and IPR.
 
Su-57 should've been bought with enhancements done by India, with Indian missiles and sensor suite... It will be Su-57 MKI with a lot more indigenous content than Su-30 MKI.
 
Su-57 offer certainly going to put pressure on Dassault Rafale & Eurofighter fighter jet which are contender in MRFA, Dassault may likely flexible to share ToT, plus local assembly with local pvt players with eco-system & autonomy of integrating sensors & weapons plus export opportunity, Dassault badly need business & MRFA will add spice to it. Remember MRFA is last opportunity to sale fighter jet for European companies, F-35 order is likely to b limited while Rafale, Eurofighter & Su-57 are going to b over 100 fighter, competition is going to hot up.
The GOI doesn't want to spend $40 billion on a 4th-gen jet, so it is not interested in either the Rafale or EF Typhoon.
 
There is a plan to go for an additional 12+72 Su-30 MKIs. Instead of this, we can go for an additional 12+72 Su-57s. The assembly plant in Nashik and engine plant in Koraput need to be upgraded. That's all. Less turnaround time.
 
Dassault already ditch our country in technology terms. They faked promise so no more chance of new orders to them.
They haven't honored even one offset obligation for the last 9 years since the contract was signed for 36 Rafales. Also, the IAF doesn't like the slow engine or the Radar in the Rafale; they wanted something more powerful and a 5th gen one.
 
For 4-5 squadrons, by 2036-40, India needs to purchase F-35As with logistics and an MRO hub set up in India for repairs, maintenance, and spares stores/depots. It should then buy 4 squadrons of SU-57s and, with complete TOT, start building 15 squadrons of SU-57Ms with Indian avionics, radars, and sensors to replace the aging squadrons of SU-30 MKIs inducted in the 90s by 2045. Four more squadrons of Rafales should be purchased. The F-35s, SU-57s, and Rafales (20 squadrons) must be the high-end fighters of the IAF, and LCA MK-1, 1A, 2, and AMCA (25 squadrons) should be the Indian-built aircraft of the IAF. Thus, 50% foreign fighters and 50% Indian-designed and built by 2040 should suffice. An Indian-built advanced heavyweight fighter of the 6th/7th generation should be conceived, designed, produced, and inducted by 2045-50 to enable complete Aatamnirbharta by 2055-60, whilst the army must target 95% Indian weapons by 2040 and the navy by 2047. An investment of over 50-60 billion over the next 15-20 years, both for purchases and local production of Indian designs, will be required; i.e., 3 billion every year in additional capital costs over and above the present IAF capital account and budget allocation, which is well within the nation's resources as a growing economy, adding over 250-300 billion every year to the GDP growth at 6.5-7% annually. An extra allocation of a total of 10 billion annually will shore up the fighter squadrons, build a bomber squadron of 10 TU-160Ms and 10 B-1 bombers, 12-16 AWACS, 24-30 refuellers, missiles, and new-generation radars, and other wherewithal which the IAF requires for air and space operations.
 

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