Analysis How India's AMCA Lags in Global Export Discussions, While Turkish Kaan Secures Partnership Only After Two Test Flights

How India's AMCA Lags in Global Export Discussions, While Turkish Kaan Secures Partnership Only After Two Test Flights


The global market for fifth-generation fighter jets is heating up, but India's domestically developed Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) is noticeably absent from international partnership and export discussions, even as Turkey's Kaan fighter jet has rapidly secured potential collaborators after only a couple of test flights.

This difference in approach raises questions about India's export strategy for its advanced aircraft.

Turkey's Kaan program, led by Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI), has quickly gained international attention. The aircraft achieved its first flight in February 2024 and a second in December of the same year. While these initial flights utilized a basic prototype lacking crucial systems like radar and advanced avionics, Turkey immediately began leveraging these milestones for international outreach.

Reports indicate that countries like Azerbaijan, Pakistan, and Qatar have expressed interest in joining the Kaan program. Saudi Arabia and Indonesia are also reportedly in discussions for potential co-development or procurement. Turkey, a NATO member, has positioned the Kaan as an attractive option for nations unable to acquire the American F-35, whether due to political considerations or cost.

The Kaan's selling point is its potential: a 25-ton fighter jet featuring stealth design, powered by two GE F110 engines. Turkey has a roadmap to integrate indigenous radar and weapons systems by 2030. Crucially, Turkey is offering partnership opportunities that include co-production or technology transfer, appealing to countries seeking greater control over their defense industries.

In contrast, India's AMCA, developed by the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), is scheduled for its first flight in 2028. Unlike the Kaan's initial prototype, the AMCA's first flight will feature a fully integrated aircraft, including a stealth airframe, an Uttam Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, an Infrared Search and Track (IRST) system, and internal weapons bays.

The AMCA is projected to be a 27-ton aircraft powered by GE F414 engines, with plans for a more powerful indigenous engine in the future.

The AMCA is designed with "5.5-generation" capabilities, including supercruise (the ability to sustain supersonic speeds without using afterburners), AI-powered sensor fusion, and a low radar cross-section for enhanced stealth.

The Indian government sanctioned ₹15,000 crore (approximately $1.8 billion USD) for the project in 2024, with plans for the Indian Air Force (IAF) to operate five squadrons (over 100 aircraft) by the mid-2030s.

Despite this comprehensive development plan, India has not yet made any significant efforts to attract international partners or buyers. The AMCA's export potential remains largely untapped, even though several countries, such as Malaysia, Vietnam, and Argentina, are seeking fifth-generation fighter alternatives.

These nations are often restricted from purchasing the F-35 due to cost or export controls, and may also be hesitant to acquire China's J-35A due to regional tensions.

The global demand for fifth-generation fighters is substantial, but the window of opportunity may be closing. The F-35 has secured a strong position within NATO-aligned countries, with over 1,000 delivered by 2025. China's J-35A is actively marketed to its allies.

The AMCA, with an estimated price of $100-120 million per unit, could be a competitive option for nations seeking a balance of advanced capabilities, indigenous technology, and customization options. It offers advantages over the currently less mature Kaan and Russia's Su-57, which has faced production challenges.

While India has demonstrated export success with other defense systems, such as the Wheeled Armoured Platform (WhAP) and the BrahMos missile, the AMCA lacks a similar proactive marketing strategy.

Potential customers, like Malaysia (seeking replacements for its Su-30s), Vietnam (concerned about Chinese activity in the South China Sea), and Argentina (facing restrictions on F-35 purchases), represent a significant market that India could potentially access.

Turkey's rapid progress with the Kaan is largely attributed to its early and aggressive engagement with potential partners. Turkey actively promoted the Kaan at international defense exhibitions, offering co-development opportunities to reduce financial burdens. India, in contrast, has primarily focused on fulfilling the needs of the IAF, adopting a "build-first, sell-later" approach.

Although the Kaan's initial flights were with a basic prototype, they signaled Turkey's commitment to the program. While the AMCA's 2028 debut promises a more technologically advanced aircraft, there is a risk that it may enter the market too late. China's J-35A could secure key buyers in the coming years, and Turkey's partnerships could solidify by 2030.

India's current lack of engagement could mean ceding a valuable market share to its competitors. Some experts in the Indian defense community advocate for India to be much more active in pursuing co-development and export partners, before the first flight, rather than after.
 
It's still a 4.5 gen jet at the moment. BAE is helping them, but BAE themselves are new to 5th gen tech, and also I wonder if they will transfer all the tech. We have to wait and see how it progresses, but they are getting a funding boost from UAE and Saudi. It will eventually become a good jet I guess, but we are still nowhere near AMCA.
 
HAL, DRDO, and GTRE should hire the top 500 rankers of JEE Advanced (high IQ people).

They will deliver all we need.

KAAN hires high IQ people; hence, the results...

While our DPSUs hire engineers from 2nd and 3rd tier engineering colleges.
 
Mark my words, the USA under Trump will offer the F-35 to all its allies like Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar, Indonesia, and many more. They will try their best to kill all other 5th gen jets in the defense export market like they did with the F-16.
 
It's still a 4.5 gen jet at the moment. BAE is helping them, but BAE themselves are new to 5th gen tech, and also I wonder if they will transfer all the tech. We have to wait and see how it progresses, but they are getting a funding boost from UAE and Saudi. It will eventually become a good jet I guess, but we are still nowhere near AMCA.
Absolutely, and AMCA is a 5.5 gen fighter. BTW, RR is developing a 5th gen engine for KAAN; BAE Systems is helping them too, and initial KAAN are powered by GE F110 engines. So much so for the West denying tech.
 
HAL, DRDO, and GTRE should hire the top 500 rankers of JEE Advanced (high IQ people).

They will deliver all we need.

KAAN hires high IQ people; hence, the results...

While our DPSUs hire engineers from 2nd and 3rd tier engineering colleges.
How many 500 jee topper would join DRDO? NONE. Only way is to offer them comparable salaries what west offers. Would GOI allow it?
 
How many 500 jee topper would join DRDO? NONE. Only way is to offer them comparable salaries what west offers. Would GOI allow it?
Force them do it. Gov pays for their tution fee anyway.

Also why does our Gov allow our best minds to brain drain.

Our Gov can easily deny their approval.

We are loosing trillions in brain drain
 
Mark my words, the USA under Trump will offer the F-35 to all its allies like Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Qatar, Indonesia, and many more. They will try their best to kill all other 5th gen jets in the defense export market like they did with the F-16.
Marked 😂, Maybe a watered-down F-35, removing all the sensitive stuff, as we are the best buddies of Russians. They won’t trust us if we spend hundreds of billions of dollars to buy other military items from the US.
 
How many 500 jee topper would join DRDO? NONE. Only way is to offer them comparable salaries what west offers. Would GOI allow it?
Without a work culture change, the best people will be frustrated and leave quickly in spite of high pay. Bureaucracy needs to be optimized, and creating a culture that rewards results, encourages calculated risk-taking, along with adequate funding and quick, transparent decisions by management, will help. High pay is not the only motivator for all people.
 
Marked 😂, Maybe a watered-down F-35, removing all the sensitive stuff, as we are the best buddies of Russians. They won’t trust us if we spend hundreds of billions of dollars to buy other military items from the US.
May be watered down, but would still be better than Kaan, J35, or Boramae.
 
May be watered down, but would still be better than Kaan, J35, or Boramae.
Even to get that, we might have to buy a lot of other items from the US. At Modi's presence, Trump said that India is going to buy hundreds of billions of dollars worth of military equipment from us, and we can sell them F35s.
 
AMCA will be a stealth 5th generation fighter aircraft.
Initial prototypes will be with GE414 engine but later production aircraft will be with a joint venture made in India 110kn engine in partnership with most probably GE.
Radar electrooptical systems wepons will be infigenious..So do not have any doubt about it being a huge success.
Partners for production will come.
 
A jet that doesn’t even exist on paper yet, Doesn’t even have 1/4 of a prototype yet, somehow provides benefits over the Jets that have passed their trial phase and heading towards commercial production rapidly and being inducted 🫠. How delusional can you be after how you developed pages which couldn’t produce its first order of 40 Jets.
 
Couldn’t freaking deliver an order of 40 tejas jets and now getting excited about mass exporting a jet that doesn’t even exist on paper yet. The fighter jet which India is thinking about developing (Which would take at least a decade and a half) somehow provides exceeding advantages over the jets that already passed their initial testing and heading rapidly towards serial production and induction. Looking at the past records we know this will be even worse than Tejas. Focus on F35 🤌
 
Force them do it. Gov pays for their tution fee anyway.

Also why does our Gov allow our best minds to brain drain.

Our Gov can easily deny their approval.

We are loosing trillions in brain drain
You can't simply force them. You need to offer them huge money and quality of life
 
People fail to realise that turkey only managed to develop their own stealth jet after receiving help from the USA and Europe and their military equipment and technology. Most of their parts and equipment are imported and all assembled within turkey. So this isn’t an indigenous jet at all because they have developed very little themselves.

India is developing a 5.5th generation jet by itself without using any foreign aid, advice, technology or any crucial parts. Some foreign parts may be used at the start but once production begins over 95% will be indigenous.
 
To all Turkish fanboys, Kaan is powered by an American engine, which means the above-mentioned "interested" countries will stick to the Chinese J-35 until Turkey develops its own 5th-gen jet engine (which is far from reality). So, export is controlled by the US, and even for their domestic usage, Turkey needs Uncle Sam's blessings.
 
Absolutely, and AMCA is a 5.5 gen fighter. BTW, RR is developing a 5th gen engine for KAAN; BAE Systems is helping them too, and initial KAAN are powered by GE F110 engines. So much so for the West denying tech.
Rolls-Royce is no stranger to 5th Gen engines. They were partnered with GE for the F136 jet engine as a competitor to the P&W F135 engine on the F-35. While they may have lost that competition, hopefully the knowledge can be used on their next fighter engine project.
 

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