How ISRO's Expertise Could Help GTRE Overcome Challenges in Indigenous Jet Engine Development, Particularly Kaveri Engine

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India's progress in aerospace technology is undeniable, with organizations like the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) and the Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE) pushing the boundaries of innovation.

While GTRE focuses on developing indigenous jet engines, including the Kaveri engine, ISRO's vast experience in propulsion systems, cryogenics, and high-temperature materials could be a game-changer for GTRE's ongoing projects.

ISRO's success stories, such as the CE-20 cryogenic engine powering the GSLV Mk III and the Vikas engine used in PSLV and GSLV launches, showcase its mastery of propulsion technologies. These engines are known for their exceptional reliability, efficiency, and resilience, qualities that could inspire novel solutions in jet engine development.

Jet engines require advanced materials that can withstand extreme temperatures and stresses. ISRO has developed and utilized cutting-edge alloys and composites in its rocket propulsion systems, knowledge that could directly benefit GTRE's efforts to create high-performance, durable jet engines.

Moreover, ISRO has perfected the art of precision engineering, particularly in manufacturing turbine blades, combustion chambers, and high-pressure components. Sharing these methodologies could significantly enhance GTRE's manufacturing capabilities, especially for critical components like single-crystal turbine blades, which are essential for high-performance jet engines.

Collaborating with ISRO could bring fresh perspectives to GTRE's approach. ISRO's experience with cryogenic and semi-cryogenic engines could be adapted to jet propulsion, particularly in improving fuel efficiency and optimizing thermal management systems, areas where the Kaveri engine has faced challenges.

Here's how ISRO's expertise could specifically benefit the Kaveri engine project:
  • Improved thrust: ISRO's experience in designing high-thrust rocket engines could help GTRE achieve the required thrust levels for the Kaveri engine, which has been a major hurdle in its development.
  • Enhanced reliability: ISRO's focus on reliability and fault tolerance in its space programs could translate into a more robust and dependable Kaveri engine.
  • Weight reduction: ISRO's expertise in lightweight materials and efficient design could help reduce the weight of the Kaveri engine, improving its thrust-to-weight ratio.
  • Advanced cooling technologies: ISRO's experience with thermal management in its rocket engines could be applied to the Kaveri engine, improving its efficiency and performance at high temperatures.
By leveraging ISRO's expertise, GTRE could overcome long-standing technical challenges in the Kaveri engine program, accelerating its development and reducing the need for additional investments in R&D and infrastructure.

This collaboration would foster a culture of innovation and shared learning, benefiting India's entire aerospace ecosystem. A successful Kaveri engine, powered by indigenous technology and supported by ISRO's expertise, would be a major achievement for India's defence and aviation industry, positioning it as a significant player in the global market.
 
Buddy rocket and aircraft engines are two different ball games.
Rockets are for max 20 minutes of operation and use and throw.
Aircraft engines are holy grail of engineering prowess.
Something rotating at 45k rpm with outer temperature of minus 45 degree and inside temperature for 2000 .
This works for 24 hours and under different operating environment.therefore Material requirements are different
 
Indian people are struggling for indigenous production of the Jet engine since a long time with getting criticism of the lacing commitment and efficiency by well known personality frequently whereas there are available video for splendid performance of the American of the mastery over engine development century ago especially bettle tank engine
 
Make few more teams in GTRE. Let one collaborate with ISRO and work, second works on smaller engines 10-15 KN, 30- 35 KN etc. Some other teams continue what they are doing. Once they gain expertise, experience and some industrial base is developed, then in next 8-10 years we can target much bigger engines.
 
100 Times I have said GTRE, ISRO, MIDHANI & Brahmos Aerospace should come together to develop Light weight material which can with stand High Temp, Once material is developed This will reduce weight of Kaveri Engine plus it will gen Xtra Thrust
 
It seems the MoD/GoI does not know which companies in India possess which capabilities. ISRO could have informed DRDO that they have certain techs which the latter can use. DRDO could have asked ISRO whether they can help out. But nobody takes the first step. The CAG too seems not to know the capabilities. I do not know whether they ever recommended such bundling of technologies and capabilities.
 
Let us strive for this national goal with every effort we can make.
Indeed there is no better organisation than ISRO for consultation in this project.
 
At this stage there’s no harm in asking if ISRO can help them or not as they have nothing to use. We need to be able to design, develop and manufacture our own jet engines.
 
Guys all Isro engines are of one time use where as aircraft engines are not. Although Isro has got some niche capabilities that cannot be directly applicable for jet engine development. I think this argument is coming out of frustration because GTRE is not making rapid progress on Jet engine development but Isro is making rapid stride on space technologies. whether it's GNSS system, interplanetary missions or earth bound satellite communications etc....
 
Forget it, already BrahMos offered to help increase the thrust by additional 30 kN. But no news about GTRE accepting or rejecting it.

India got used to piggybacking. So, it's gonna be GE and GE only.

Kaveri is put to rest with just 50 kN. Don't pin hopes on Kaveri powering any of the future Tejas.
 
This is first time I saw a non technical speculative article. The person who wrote this even doesn't know the difference between rocket engine and Jet engine. It's metallurgical deference. Some blunder announcement done by ISRO chief and all people started to support it.
Even ISRO doesn't have Single Crystals technology how you are expecting that they will do it and increase the thrust of jet engines using rocket engine.

We are not talking about 15 minutes running engine like Vikas or cryogenic. We are talking about material which needs to withstand 1200 degree celcius with 2000 to 5000 km flying and repeated sorties, even china not yet confirmed their crystal can withstand how much time.
Please make sure technical authenticity of articles before posting it
 
Make few more teams in GTRE. Let one collaborate with ISRO and work, second works on smaller engines 10-15 KN, 30- 35 KN etc. Some other teams continue what they are doing. Once they gain expertise, experience and some industrial base is developed, then in next 8-10 years we can target much bigger engines.
For what purpose brother? This is first time I saw a non technical speculative article. The person who wrote this even doesn't know the difference between rocket engine and Jet engine. It's metallurgical deference. Some blunder announcement done by ISRO chief and all people started to support it.
Even ISRO doesn't have Single Crystals technology how you are expecting that they will do it and increase the thrust of jet engines using rocket engine.

We are not talking about 15 minutes running engine like Vikas or cryogenic. We are talking about material which needs to withstand 1200 degree celcius with 2000 to 5000 km flying and repeated sorties, even china not yet confirmed their crystal can withstand how much time.
Please make sure technical authenticity of articles before posting it
 
100 Times I have said GTRE, ISRO, MIDHANI & Brahmos Aerospace should come together to develop Light weight material which can with stand High Temp, Once material is developed This will reduce weight of Kaveri Engine plus it will gen Xtra Thrust
Material is available, only single crystals technology is not available
 

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