IAF's Initial Preference for Tejas MkII was Eurojet EJ200 not F414

IAF Tejas MkII fighter jet program has seen an intriguing evolution in its engine selection. While the American-made GE F414IN6 engine is now confirmed to power this indigenous aircraft, it wasn't always the IAF's preferred choice.

In the early stages of the Tejas MkII's development, around 2010, the IAF reportedly expressed a strong preference for the European Eurojet EJ200 engine, the same powerplant that propels the formidable Eurofighter Typhoon. This inclination stemmed from a strategic desire to diversify the IAF's engine suppliers and reduce its over-dependence on a single foreign entity for such a critical component.

However, the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), the organization responsible for overseeing the Tejas program, ultimately made a different choice. The GE F414IN6 was selected as the Tejas MkII's engine, primarily due to its cost-effectiveness compared to the EJ200.

While the Tejas MkII is now set to fly with the GE F414IN6, the IAF's initial interest in the EJ200 serves as a reminder of the importance of considering multiple options and weighing various factors in defense acquisitions.

 

[Pad UwU]

What the h*ck did I just read!? They wanted dependence on multiple nations rather than a single one and acknowledging the fact that both engines are sanction prone ; what the h*ck was IAF smoking while favouring EJ200 over F414........if anything M88 Enhanced thrust would have been the best option 'cause there would be no risk of sanctions.

Sigh......

At that time m88 is not reliable enough for our engineers and scientist.... If we already sign collaboration with Eurojet since the start of Tejas 2 decades ago... We might be already manufacturing the said 98kn engine version or we are the sole supplier of the upgrade parts for typhoon.... Procurement of GE engine is so slow like a snail

 

[Pad UwU]

Surely disgusting and same things happening in USA too.
In USA, they even have 2 to 4 weeks early voting from 8 AM to 5 PM but voter participation is hardly goes beyond 50 to 60%. Lazy bums and then they make big hues and cries about frauds in elections.

I heard from Muslim ladies that getting rid of 3 Talaqs is really good for them in India as they get some compensations in divorces to take care of themselves and their kids.

India surely needs to have a UCC so all laws are applied equally among Hindu and Muslim ladies gets same share like Muslim men.

That's the capitalist business...
What would you expect communist cheap knock off offering

 

[Pad UwU]

EJ200 engines were approximately 1.5 times the costs for GEF404 engines, at the time of negotiations. EJ200 engines have a smaller diameter and so fittment problems will be there for larger hole in Tejas backside. ONLY GE-F404-F414 and M88-Cauvery engines fits Tejas engine hole perfectly!

Cauvery😹😹😹👍

 

[Akshat]

What the h*ck did I just read!? They wanted dependence on multiple nations rather than a single one and acknowledging the fact that both engines are sanction prone ; what the h*ck was IAF smoking while favouring EJ200 over F414........if anything M88 Enhanced thrust would have been the best option 'cause there would be no risk of sanctions.

Sigh......

IAF is used to negotiate such deals. Su30 mki is Russian but with Israeli and French avionics. Rafale has European missile systems. Tejas has parts from all over the world. So if the product is superior and it helps in diversifying the supplier base, it is not a negative but a positive.

 

[Akshat]

At that time m88 is not reliable enough for our engineers and scientist.... If we already sign collaboration with Eurojet since the start of Tejas 2 decades ago... We might be already manufacturing the said 98kn engine version or we are the sole supplier of the upgrade parts for typhoon.... Procurement of GE engine is so slow like a snail

When there is no Tejas mk2, what will we do with the engine manufacturing?

 

[Akshat]

EJ-200 is an excellent example of Bhanumati ka kunbaa. The engine is an upgrade of a British design which started life as a XG-40 prototype developed by Rolls Royce.

Delaing with the consortium would indeed have been a pain in the rearside.

IAF, or Indian military in general, is used to deal with such kunbaas. Su30 mki has parts from France, Israel and India, apart from Russia. Rafale has missiles from MBDA, which is another bhanumati ka kunbaa. Tejas itself is nothing short of it. Good luck making Tejas work if US or EU, either of them, sanction us. So this talk of sanctions is just B S. As long as US agrees, no one will stop. And once US sanctions, no one will do anything for long.

 

[Akshat]

It suddenly striked my mind , 🤔 that ...Why do we not take help of ISRO to develop our own indegeneous powerful fighterjet engine ?.... it's just my thought ... anybody knows anything

Their experience is not in this field. Not even close. Nowhere close.

 

[Rinku Pandey]

Both offer are sanction prone , India wanted ToT on who ever win the race , Eurojet was Multinational & GE is single Nation Lowest bidder factor makes GE winner .Eurojet too can offer 98kN . Only solution is Atmanirbhar it is more than 3 to 4 years Foreign partner search is on . But Not Finalise.if In 2010 if India have started development of 110kN engine with foreign partner Engine would b ready now.

Even if they started engine manufacturing with foreign party in 2014, 110KN engine would have been ready by now. But blame others for our own failures.

 

[Anant]

Not just Hydearbadis, Hindus as a whole are bunch of lazy hillbillys. They want M0di to do everything to benifit them for 5 years, but when its their turn to return favour in the general elections, they can't be expected to spare just half day's of time and effort to vote for him.

Hindus don't deserve a M0di, they deserve the likes of Rawool baba, Akal-less, and Laloos only.

Boss, the sad part is that this election is also seeing a lot of people travel back to their hometowns and the like to vote. I personally did the same, and know of many people who did this. Despite this, we are seeing many people simply not going to vote to a booth that is barely 2 km away.

 

[Anant]

It suddenly striked my mind , 🤔 that ...Why do we not take help of ISRO to develop our own indegeneous powerful fighterjet engine ?.... it's just my thought ... anybody knows anything

Jet and rocket engines are different in too many aspects, boss. Yes, ISRO can (and probably did) provide some support, but any such support would be fairly limited.

 

[Anant]

Cauvery😹😹😹👍

Ah, yes. The old British spelling of the Kaveri. There is a funny story about it too.

In 1947, we had a Black Swan-class sloop named HMIS Cauvery. The ship was to be renamed to HMIS Kaveri after independence. However, the then Quartermaster at Bombay said the name change was too trivial to waste the paint on renaming the ship and changing the name of the ship in all official documentation. Eventually, this went up all the way to the then Chief of Naval Staff, RAdm. Hall, who finally approved it.

 

[Ashutosh]

IAF is used to negotiate such deals. Su30 mki is Russian but with Israeli and French avionics. Rafale has European missile systems. Tejas has parts from all over the world. So if the product is superior and it helps in diversifying the supplier base, it is not a negative but a positive.

Pls understand that the sole reason why Typhoon while being necessarily equivalent of Rafales has failed to attract export success unlike Rafales is that it needs multiple nations thumbs up and thux the process of supply of spares and LRUs of the fighter is quite complex ......it is generally recommended to have a single vendor.....in case of Su 30 mki the Israeli parts can be replaced but that's not the case with Typhoon

 

[Pink Panther]

When you have a superb jet that can super cruise and power all the electronics you want, why would you upgrade and waste fuel? Mileage is important baba.

We need more power also., no body cares about MPG in a fighter jet.

 

[Akshat]

We need more power also., no body cares about MPG in a fighter jet.

Apparently everyone does. I mean, Dassault is laughing its way to the bank every year. You yourself agree that they have so many orders that they can’t even finish them.

 

[Akshat]

Pls understand that the sole reason why Typhoon while being necessarily equivalent of Rafales has failed to attract export success unlike Rafales is that it needs multiple nations thumbs up and thux the process of supply of spares and LRUs of the fighter is quite complex ......it is generally recommended to have a single vendor.....in case of Su 30 mki the Israeli parts can be replaced but that's not the case with Typhoon

Well it cleared the Indian tender and failed solely on price. I have not seen a single country complaining about it so far.

 

[Ashutosh]

Well it cleared the Indian tender and failed solely on price. I have not seen a single country complaining about it so far.

Ofcourse , noone is gonna complain about such stuff but that definitely causes problems....one of the major reasons why Rafale is preferred over Typhoon.

 

[Pink Panther]

Apparently everyone does. I mean, Dassault is laughing its way to the bank every year. You yourself agree that they have so many orders that they can’t even finish them.

those orders are not because every Country wants them, but because these Countries are banned from getting anything from the west and have no technical knowledge of making their own fighter jet, they don't have an option other than paying billions and getting blackmailed, but India is not one of those Countries, India can make it's own fighter jet, even better than Rafale.

 

[Pink Panther]

Pls understand that the sole reason why Typhoon while being necessarily equivalent of Rafales has failed to attract export success unlike Rafales is that it needs multiple nations thumbs up and thux the process of supply of spares and LRUs of the fighter is quite complex ......it is generally recommended to have a single vendor.....in case of Su 30 mki the Israeli parts can be replaced but that's not the case with Typhoon

But only two Countries are involved in the engine RR&MTU, we can combine engine deal and TYPE -212CD Submarine with MTU Germany for EURO jet engine and Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft AG (HDW) .

 

[Pink Panther]

At that time m88 is not reliable enough for our engineers and scientist.... If we already sign collaboration with Eurojet since the start of Tejas 2 decades ago... We might be already manufacturing the said 98kn engine version or we are the sole supplier of the upgrade parts for typhoon.... Procurement of GE engine is so slow like a snail

The new engine in Typhoon is EJ200 Stage 2 which outputs 120KN, 78KN dry Thrust alone, which is 28KN more dry Thrust than SNECMA M88, and 42KN more wet thrust than M88.

 

[Akshat]

those orders are not because every Country wants them, but because these Countries are banned from getting anything from the west and have no technical knowledge of making their own fighter jet, they don't have an option other than paying billions and getting blackmailed, but India is not one of those Countries, India can make it's own fighter jet, even better than Rafale.

lol…India was courted by every country that can make jets (except China of course). UAE refused F35 and went for Rafale. Indonesia rejected F18 and others. Greece is in NATO. So is Croatia. Qatar and Egypt operate all sort of western planes.

So many lies. So much hate just because India loves France and not your masters?