IAF's Initial Preference for Tejas MkII was Eurojet EJ200 not F414

IAF Tejas MkII fighter jet program has seen an intriguing evolution in its engine selection. While the American-made GE F414IN6 engine is now confirmed to power this indigenous aircraft, it wasn't always the IAF's preferred choice.

In the early stages of the Tejas MkII's development, around 2010, the IAF reportedly expressed a strong preference for the European Eurojet EJ200 engine, the same powerplant that propels the formidable Eurofighter Typhoon. This inclination stemmed from a strategic desire to diversify the IAF's engine suppliers and reduce its over-dependence on a single foreign entity for such a critical component.

However, the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), the organization responsible for overseeing the Tejas program, ultimately made a different choice. The GE F414IN6 was selected as the Tejas MkII's engine, primarily due to its cost-effectiveness compared to the EJ200.

While the Tejas MkII is now set to fly with the GE F414IN6, the IAF's initial interest in the EJ200 serves as a reminder of the importance of considering multiple options and weighing various factors in defense acquisitions.

 

[Anant]

Cauvery😹😹😹👍

Ah, yes. The old British spelling of the Kaveri. There is a funny story about it too.

In 1947, we had a Black Swan-class sloop named HMIS Cauvery. The ship was to be renamed to HMIS Kaveri after independence. However, the then Quartermaster at Bombay said the name change was too trivial to waste the paint on renaming the ship and changing the name of the ship in all official documentation. Eventually, this went up all the way to the then Chief of Naval Staff, RAdm. Hall, who finally approved it.

 

[Ashutosh]

IAF is used to negotiate such deals. Su30 mki is Russian but with Israeli and French avionics. Rafale has European missile systems. Tejas has parts from all over the world. So if the product is superior and it helps in diversifying the supplier base, it is not a negative but a positive.

Pls understand that the sole reason why Typhoon while being necessarily equivalent of Rafales has failed to attract export success unlike Rafales is that it needs multiple nations thumbs up and thux the process of supply of spares and LRUs of the fighter is quite complex ......it is generally recommended to have a single vendor.....in case of Su 30 mki the Israeli parts can be replaced but that's not the case with Typhoon

 

[Pink Panther]

When you have a superb jet that can super cruise and power all the electronics you want, why would you upgrade and waste fuel? Mileage is important baba.

We need more power also., no body cares about MPG in a fighter jet.

 

[Akshat]

We need more power also., no body cares about MPG in a fighter jet.

Apparently everyone does. I mean, Dassault is laughing its way to the bank every year. You yourself agree that they have so many orders that they can’t even finish them.

 

[Akshat]

Pls understand that the sole reason why Typhoon while being necessarily equivalent of Rafales has failed to attract export success unlike Rafales is that it needs multiple nations thumbs up and thux the process of supply of spares and LRUs of the fighter is quite complex ......it is generally recommended to have a single vendor.....in case of Su 30 mki the Israeli parts can be replaced but that's not the case with Typhoon

Well it cleared the Indian tender and failed solely on price. I have not seen a single country complaining about it so far.

 

[Ashutosh]

Well it cleared the Indian tender and failed solely on price. I have not seen a single country complaining about it so far.

Ofcourse , noone is gonna complain about such stuff but that definitely causes problems....one of the major reasons why Rafale is preferred over Typhoon.

 

[Pink Panther]

Apparently everyone does. I mean, Dassault is laughing its way to the bank every year. You yourself agree that they have so many orders that they can’t even finish them.

those orders are not because every Country wants them, but because these Countries are banned from getting anything from the west and have no technical knowledge of making their own fighter jet, they don't have an option other than paying billions and getting blackmailed, but India is not one of those Countries, India can make it's own fighter jet, even better than Rafale.

 

[Pink Panther]

Pls understand that the sole reason why Typhoon while being necessarily equivalent of Rafales has failed to attract export success unlike Rafales is that it needs multiple nations thumbs up and thux the process of supply of spares and LRUs of the fighter is quite complex ......it is generally recommended to have a single vendor.....in case of Su 30 mki the Israeli parts can be replaced but that's not the case with Typhoon

But only two Countries are involved in the engine RR&MTU, we can combine engine deal and TYPE -212CD Submarine with MTU Germany for EURO jet engine and Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft AG (HDW) .

 

[Pink Panther]

At that time m88 is not reliable enough for our engineers and scientist.... If we already sign collaboration with Eurojet since the start of Tejas 2 decades ago... We might be already manufacturing the said 98kn engine version or we are the sole supplier of the upgrade parts for typhoon.... Procurement of GE engine is so slow like a snail

The new engine in Typhoon is EJ200 Stage 2 which outputs 120KN, 78KN dry Thrust alone, which is 28KN more dry Thrust than SNECMA M88, and 42KN more wet thrust than M88.

 

[Akshat]

those orders are not because every Country wants them, but because these Countries are banned from getting anything from the west and have no technical knowledge of making their own fighter jet, they don't have an option other than paying billions and getting blackmailed, but India is not one of those Countries, India can make it's own fighter jet, even better than Rafale.

lol…India was courted by every country that can make jets (except China of course). UAE refused F35 and went for Rafale. Indonesia rejected F18 and others. Greece is in NATO. So is Croatia. Qatar and Egypt operate all sort of western planes.

So many lies. So much hate just because India loves France and not your masters?

 

[Akshat]

Ofcourse , noone is gonna complain about such stuff but that definitely causes problems....one of the major reasons why Rafale is preferred over Typhoon.

India literally said on record that it’s not a reason at all and cost is the ONLY factor. The sole factor,

 

[Pink Panther]

lol…India was courted by every country that can make jets (except China of course). UAE refused F35 and went for Rafale. Indonesia rejected F18 and others. Greece is in NATO. So is Croatia. Qatar and Egypt operate all sort of western planes.

So many lies. So much hate just because India loves France and not your masters?

So much hate for imports and love for indegenous products as an Indian, but foreign Dallah's do the opposite.

 

[Ashutosh]

India literally said on record that it’s not a reason at all and cost is the ONLY factor. The sole factor,

Where the h*ck have I written India on my statement!? Is India the only operator of Rafales!?

 

[Ashutosh]

But only two Countries are involved in the engine RR&MTU, we can combine engine deal and TYPE -212CD Submarine with MTU Germany for EURO jet engine and Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft AG (HDW) .

Just 2......ask Pakistan what 💩they are dealing with regarding the WS13, RD93 ficaso.

 

[Akshat]

Where the h*ck have I written India on my statement!? Is India the only operator of Rafales!?

You didn’t name anyone. So that makes all the operators a fair game. Nonetheless, Greece and Croatia are NATO members. Qatar operates both. So the list is long.

 

[Akshat]

So much hate for imports and love for indegenous products as an Indian, but foreign Dallah's do the opposite.

So much hate for our forces who keep selecting Rafale. Only Chinkis can hate our forces like this.

 

[NSR]

Boss, the sad part is that this election is also seeing a lot of people travel back to their hometowns and the like to vote. I personally did the same, and know of many people who did this. Despite this, we are seeing many people simply not going to vote to a booth that is barely 2 km away.

Anant, great to know you took time to go home and vote.
Atta boy!!!

Sad and disgusting to know that so many people are not exercising their divine right to vote in such a crucial election. India must go for UCC law immediately but now I do not know what the heck is happening.

 

[desigandu]

IAF, or Indian military in general, is used to deal with such kunbaas. Su30 mki has parts from France, Israel and India, apart from Russia. Rafale has missiles from MBDA, which is another bhanumati ka kunbaa. Tejas itself is nothing short of it. Good luck making Tejas work if US or EU, either of them, sanction us. So this talk of sanctions is just B S. As long as US agrees, no one will stop. And once US sanctions, no one will do anything for long.

Benefits of being a superpower with its own military industrial complex - atmanirbharta is the only solution, that too fast.

 

[desigandu]

Boss, the sad part is that this election is also seeing a lot of people travel back to their hometowns and the like to vote. I personally did the same, and know of many people who did this. Despite this, we are seeing many people simply not going to vote to a booth that is barely 2 km away.

Sad…Bharat must make it easy and online to vote as identities could be verified with Aadhar - doable with political will…

 

[Akshat]

Benefits of being a superpower with its own military industrial complex - atmanirbharta is the only solution, that too fast.

Not happening with the socialist system we have in place.

 

[Pink Panther]

Just 2......ask Pakistan what 💩they are dealing with regarding the WS13, RD93 ficaso.

EJ200 is much better than ancient SNECMA M88.

 

[Pink Panther]

So much hate for our forces who keep selecting Rafale. Only Chinkis can hate our forces like this.

forces already selected only 36 Rafales for ever and once for all.

 

[Anant]

Sad…Bharat must make it easy and online to vote as identities could be verified with Aadhar - doable with political will…

Sir, if there are some steps taken to remove superfluous Aadhar Cards or cancellation of Aadhar cards when someone passes away, then this is definitely doable. If not online voting, even a proper postal ballot system would help.

 

[Akshat]

forces already selected only 36 Rafales for ever and once for all.

IN isn’t force for you?

 

[Pink Panther]

IN isn’t force for you?

including, they haven't placed an order yet.

 

[Akshat]

including, they haven't placed an order yet.

They selected them. So it is their favorite

 

[Pink Panther]

They selected them. So it is their favorite

Yes according to French Media and French Dallah’s, not according to Navy, MOD and GOI.