India's Indigenous AMCA Engine Remain Stalled by Funding and Foreign Partnership Uncertainties, While Turkey and South Korea Surges Ahead

India's Indigenous AMCA Engine Remain Stalled by Funding and Foreign Partnership Uncertainties, While Turkey and South Korea Surges Ahead


The international effort to create cutting-edge fighter jets and the engines that power them is heating up, with Turkey and South Korea making considerable progress in their own projects.

While India also aims to develop a homegrown engine for its Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) program, it is falling behind due to funding uncertainties and a lack of clear partnerships.

Turkey has committed a substantial $3 to $5 billion towards developing the TF-35000 engine for its Kaan fighter jet. South Korea is also investing heavily, allocating $2.3 billion for a domestically produced engine to power its KF-21 Boramae fighter. These investments highlight a global trend of nations seeking greater self-sufficiency in defence technology.

Turkey's substantial investment in the TF-35000 engine is a clear indication of its commitment to becoming self-reliant in defence. This engine, designed to power the Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) developed Kaan, Turkey's own fifth-generation fighter, aims to replace the country's aging F-16 fleet.

The TF-35000 is designed to produce approximately 35,000 pounds of thrust, comparable to engines used in other fifth-generation aircraft like the American F-22 Raptor and F-35 Lightning II.

This move is partly a response to past difficulties in acquiring U.S.-made engines due to political disagreements. Turkey has already flown a Kaan prototype, currently using General Electric F110 engines, but plans to switch to the domestically produced TF-35000 by the late 2020s or early 2030s.

South Korea's KF-21 Boramae program, initially a 4.5-generation fighter with plans for future fifth-generation upgrades, is also progressing rapidly. The South Korean government has allocated $2.3 billion to develop a domestic engine to replace the General Electric F414 engines currently used in KF-21 prototypes. This is part of a wider strategy to lessen South Korea's dependence on foreign defence technology.

The first prototype of the KF-21 took flight in 2022. The new engine, being developed by Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) and Hanwha Aerospace, is expected to match or surpass the F414's 22,000 pounds of thrust, enhancing the KF-21's capabilities and export potential. This aligns with South Korea's expanding defence industry, already exporting military hardware like the K2 Black Panther tank and FA-50 light attack aircraft.

India's AMCA program, intended to produce a fifth-generation stealth fighter, is expected to face similar engine development costs to Turkey and South Korea, ranging from $2.5 billion to $5 billion. However, unlike its counterparts, India has not yet established a concrete plan for its engine program.

The AMCA, under development by the DRDO and HAL, requires a powerful and reliable engine, which has been a persistent challenge. While initial AMCA prototypes will use General Electric F414 engines, the long-term goal of a domestic engine remains uncertain.

India's previous attempt to develop the Kaveri engine for the Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) faced significant technical issues and delays, ultimately failing to meet requirements. The country is now exploring co-development of a new engine for the AMCA, with potential partners including France's Safran, the United States, and the United Kingdom's Rolls-Royce. No firm decision, however, has been made.

The rapid progress of Turkey and South Korea highlights their strategic investments and commitment to defence self-sufficiency. Both nations have working fighter jet prototypes (Kaan and KF-21, respectively) and are now concentrating on developing their own propulsion systems. This puts them ahead of India in creating fully indigenous fifth-generation fighter jets.

Turkey's resilience despite being excluded from the F-35 program, and South Korea's well-coordinated defence industry, are key factors in their success. Both countries aim to meet their own defence needs and become exporters of advanced military technology.

India's ongoing indecision regarding engine development partnerships risks causing further delays to the AMCA program. While Turkey and South Korea have secured funding and technical expertise, India faces bureaucratic obstacles and competing priorities. The continued reliance on imported engines for aircraft like the Tejas and Su-30 MKI highlights the pressing need for a domestic solution.

To accelerate progress, India needs to prioritize its engine development program and make a firm decision on international collaboration. Partnering with a foreign company could offer access to crucial technologies and experience. Simultaneously, increased funding for domestic research and development is essential to build long-term capabilities in propulsion systems.

India can draw lessons from the focused strategies of Turkey and South Korea, which have successfully utilized domestic industry and government support. Clear timelines, sufficient funding, and strong collaboration between DRDO, HAL, and private sector companies are crucial for the success of India's engine development efforts.
 
Selection of a foreign partner for the AMCA engine is already underway & will be finalised by year-end. Second, all test facilities are being developed for engine testing, while the AMCA engine will be a generation ahead of the other two, Turkey & KF-21, it's not comparable.
 
We either want to develop a bleeding edge tech or import. We should start small and continue the progress. Start making small KN engines for military and civilian use. Move up the KN number.
 
We either want to develop a bleeding edge tech or import. We should start small and continue the progress. Start making small KN engines for military and civilian use. Move up the KN number.
Progress is already underway for developing the AMCA engine. GTRE is working on the engine. Certain tech will be developed by a foreign engine partner, and that will be transferred to GTRE. I think it will be a 70%/30% work share agreement between GTRE and the foreign partner. That tells the story of how GTRE has made advancements in aero-engine development. Only just 25 to 30% of the engine section is likely to be developed with the foreign engine partner.
 
Timelines are different. The true 5th gen AMCA ie AMCAmk2 will be inducted by 2040. So we have lot of time . First we have to sign GE F414 deal and then a 5th gen engine deal with yet to be decided OEM. And there is no point in comparing a developing country with developed countries like Korea.
 
It's rather simple, Korea and Turkey do not have any reservation policy in their system. We have built a culture of the victim game and expect to build a technology stack with less than half the cut-off qualification to do it.

DRDO or HAL needs to be clear: is it an employment agency or a tech org?
 
It's rather simple, Korea and Turkey do not have any reservation policy in their system. We have built a culture of the victim game and expect to build a technology stack with less than half the cut-off qualification to do it.

DRDO or HAL needs to be clear: is it an employment agency or a tech org?
Reservation policy is here in india to uplift the majority of people who are backward in the country. The country will be called developed only if all the people equally uplifted. If all the people's in the country are living above poverty level then there will not be any Reservation.
 
Selection of a foreign partner for the AMCA engine is already underway & will be finalised by year-end. Second, all test facilities are being developed for engine testing, while the AMCA engine will be a generation ahead of the other two, Turkey & KF-21, it's not comparable.
Do you really think that who ever will be the foreign partner, will give us 100% technology with IPR... If you think so then you are fooling yourself....
 
We have sent and keep sending all our talent in core streams like aeronautical, mechanical, metallurgy, telecommunication, chemical, electronics, and electrical engineering to the west for further studies, jobs, and migration/green card/citizenship for remittance to India.

Or into software development/IT industry, then who will work for DRDO/GTRE/HAL/ISRO/ADA/BEL, etc.?

Who is doing research, post-graduation, or innovation in India? Nobody! Then who will do this on 10% of the global budget and even lower percentage of talent in India?

And then the global OEMs and governments can easily manipulate and sabotage Indian industry through corruption or coercion.

We haven't built our own engine even 75 years after independence and don't think we will for another 25 years without external help.

No country in the world will come and hand over engine technology to India, especially after the collapse of the USSR, that has stopped from Russian.

Only license manufacturing and assembly with know-how and without know-why or Deep ToT. We just can't build next-gen engines when we can't build the current-gen Kaveri engine in 40 years!

We must invest in our research, universities, and industry in a big way if we want to change this, and in the next 25 need massive budget, focus, and intent. Can't expect DRDO or GTRE to do this with a very limited budget and even smaller talent pool and resources!
 
Reservation policy is here in india to uplift the majority of people who are backward in the country. The country will be called developed only if all the people equally uplifted. If all the people's in the country are living above poverty level then there will not be any Reservation.
Sir, CAN YOU PLEASE ELABORATE 'THE PARAMETERS' OF 'BACKWARD' TERM?....& THEN WE'LL DISCUSS IF IT IS CONSISTING THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION OR NOT.
 
Do you really think that who ever will be the foreign partner, will give us 100% technology with IPR... If you think so then you are fooling yourself....
Rolls Royce is ready for the joint production of a new Aero Engine with India getting IP rights. Keep yourself updated. India has received similar offer from SAFRAN too. Russia has also thrown their hat in this race.
 
What can be said that hasn't been said a thousand times already. Complete lack of planning and strategic depth. Every decision is made based on election politics. I guess India has to lose the next war and lose millions of people in the process. Lose 25 percent of their territory. Even then, nothing will happen. The defeat will be used as election fodder. India will become a client state of China, US or Russia. Maybe even Pakistan. Still the babus will make money for themselves.
 
India has Engineers from reservation category rather than deserved ones, deserved candidates leaving India and going abroad and how come we can achieve the tatgets.
 
I had visited Aero India 2025 and stopped for a discussion with the Kaveri engine stall manned by some scientist from GTRE. For 15 minutes, he was explaining all the problems why we could not make Kaveri a success for the past 25 odd years.

The 30 seconds summary was that they did not get a foreign company who was willing to give their existing engine for copy paste.
 
South Korea is as industrialised as France, Britain, Italy. Moreover, they already make marine gas-turbine and export too. So, our competition is not with them. We must be concerned about islamic Turkey.
 
Money baby Money, till now i think we only spend aorund 1 billion, minium 3.5-4 billion dollar staright check need to given.
 
Reservation policy is here in india to uplift the majority of people who are backward in the country. The country will be called developed only if all the people equally uplifted. If all the people's in the country are living above poverty level then there will not be any Reservation.
Agreed, but we need to make sure this process of bringing everyone above poverty line doesn't hamper our nation's development. A lad with less intellect, who got selected in these firms on the basis of backwardness, will never contribute in nation's development as much as a more intelligent guy lad would have done.

Reservations shouldn't be there in research and technology related sectors.
 
177S being offered by Russia seems to be the best choice right now till India can make its own engine. West including GE 404/414 don't seem to be reliable
 
Rolls Royce is ready for the joint production of a new Aero Engine with India getting IP rights. Keep yourself updated. India has received similar offer from SAFRAN too. Russia has also thrown their hat in this race.
Then why even after 5 years no deal was signed... And for your information Safran denied to give IP rights of core ...
 
Then why even after 5 years no deal was signed... And for your information Safran denied to give IP rights of core ...
AMCA project was cleared only last year by MoD. Only post approval of the project will the choice of engine move forward. So your statement about 5 years is not relevant.

SAFRAN's latest offer. They are willing to co-develop a new aero engine with India, getting IP rights.
 
Agreed, but we need to make sure this process of bringing everyone above poverty line doesn't hamper our nation's development. A lad with less intellect, who got selected in these firms on the basis of backwardness, will never contribute in nation's development as much as a more intelligent guy lad would have done.

Reservations shouldn't be there in research and technology related sectors.
I can only partially agree with you. Talent is not related to any caste or religion. Talented people are there all over India. People from my state, including Dr. Kalam and so many scientists, including Sivan, Mayilsamy Annadurai, the Chandrayaan-3 project director, and the current ISRO chief, are coming from very normal backgrounds, and they contributed considerably to Indian scientific research and development. Even in the software industry and automobile industry, also considerable numbers are from backward class people. High-tech development like jet engines, electronics, and semiconductor fields require more money to be allocated for R&D. Even China is struggling to produce reliable jet engines. And also, salaries in DRDO are not matching private industry standards. We were a technically poor country before 1992. After the new economic policy only, so many developments are happening in India. DRDO must be under the direct control of the PM.
 
Do you really think that who ever will be the foreign partner, will give us 100% technology with IPR... If you think so then you are fooling yourself....
Saffron and RR are notorious for not letting out patents for their core techs. So, no real TOT possibilities there. GE might or might not, depending upon Trump's mood.

Russia's UAC has just offered its latest 177s and AL-41, AL-51 with complete TOT to sweeten the pot.
 
India should develop all infrastructure and 2-3 programs to get rid of all kind of engine~~s~~ dependence once and for all.

I understand we have multiple priorities, but we can't keep playing the catch up game.

I am sure India already has a lot of knowledge and infra to move this at a fast pace.

India should also look for partners to reduce our cost.
 
India lacks professional development, with funding on a priority basis, and indifferent users trying to create obstacles more often than helping the cause.
 

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