India's Su-57 Stealth Ambitions Clash with Tejas Production Realities at HAL’s Overburdened Nashik Defence Facility

India's Su-57 Stealth Ambitions Clash with Tejas Production Realities at HAL’s Overburdened Nashik Defence Facility


As discussions regarding Indo-Russian defence cooperation intensify, reports suggest that Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) may repurpose a significant portion of its Nashik production line to manufacture the Sukhoi Su-57 stealth fighter.

A recent technical assessment by a Russian delegation, presented to Indian officials, claims that HAL already has 50% of the necessary infrastructure to produce this fifth-generation jet.

This proposal positions the Nashik facility, currently the hub for Tejas and Su-30MKI assembly, as a potential centre for advanced stealth aircraft manufacturing.

However, experts in the aerospace industry and engineering sectors urge caution regarding this proposal. Manufacturing a true stealth fighter is significantly more complex than increasing the production of fourth-generation aircraft.

Although some assembly tools might be shared, the manufacturing processes for stealth jets are vastly different. They require extreme precision, specialised materials, and complex supply chains that HAL’s existing facility may not be ready to support.

Sources indicate that a final decision will depend on detailed feasibility studies by Indian manufacturers, which are expected to continue into 2026.

The current speculation is driven by ongoing talks for the purchase of two squadrons (approximately 36 aircraft) of the Su-57E export variant. This deal could potentially expand to include 114 or even 140 jets, with an estimated value of $15-20 billion.

In an effort to export technology despite ongoing sanctions, Russia has offered significant incentives, including a 60-70% Transfer of Technology (ToT) and co-production rights for the advanced AL-51F1 engine.

For HAL, the proposal appears attractive on the surface. The Nashik facility spans 1.2 million square feet and is currently busy with the final assembly of the Tejas Mk-1A and overhauls of the Su-30MKI.

The Russian plan suggests dedicating half of this space to assembling Su-57 kits shipped from Komsomolsk-on-Amur. However, HAL officials privately note the difficulty of this task.

As one veteran engineer noted, building a stealth aircraft is not just about assembling parts; it requires a level of precision that is far more expensive and difficult than current estimates suggest.

The main challenge lies in the manufacturing requirements for the Su-57. To maintain a radar cross-section (RCS) of less than 0.1 square metres, the aircraft relies on special radar-absorbing coatings and perfectly aligned surfaces.

In contrast, the fourth-generation jets currently built at Nashik, such as the Su-30, use standard aluminium alloys and have mechanical tolerances measured in millimetres. While some existing tools could be adapted for basic structural work, the requirements for stealth technology are far more demanding.

Producing stealth capabilities requires a completely different approach. The Su-57 uses carbon-fibre reinforced polymers (CFRP) that must be manufactured in strictly controlled, dust-free environments to prevent microscopic cracks that could make the plane visible to radar.

While initial kits might include pre-made panels, assembling the aircraft in India would still require HAL to master complex processes. These include creating heat-suppressing exhaust nozzles and fuel tanks that fit seamlessly into the body of the plane.

Aerospace consultant Vivek Kapur points out that while fourth-generation jets are robust and easier to assemble, stealth aircraft are fragile and require artisanal levels of care during production.

Supply chain issues further complicate the situation.

The new Izdeliye 30 (AL-51F1) engine is still in the early stages of production, with only a small number of units expected by mid-2025. The engine relies on specific titanium parts from Russian suppliers that are currently under Western sanctions.

Furthermore, HAL’s Nashik plant is currently optimised for installing General Electric F404 engines into the Tejas and lacks the specialised machinery needed for the new Russian engines.

Initial studies suggest that adapting the facility could cost between ₹5,000 and ₹7,000 crore and take several years to fully implement.

Allocating 50% of the Nashik facility to the Su-57 also presents a logistical conflict. HAL already has a large backlog of orders, including 83 Tejas Mk-1A jets and future prototypes.

The company is under pressure to deliver these indigenous aircraft to the Indian Air Force (IAF) to replace older squadrons. Diverting resources to the Su-57 could cause further delays to the Tejas program, which is already behind schedule.

Officials from the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) have expressed skepticism, noting that the proposal sounds more like a sales pitch than a sound engineering plan.

The Russian claim of "50% readiness" focuses on existing machinery but ignores the strict certification standards required for stealth aircraft. HAL would need to meet new protocols for maintaining low-observable aircraft, which require specialised hangars and testing facilities that do not currently exist at Nashik.

A joint team from HAL and Sukhoi is scheduled to conduct a detailed audit of the Nashik facility in the first quarter of 2026. They will check if the factory can meet the microscopic tolerance levels required for the Su-57.

If successful, the project could follow the path of the Su-30 program, slowly moving from assembling kits to full local production.

However, critics warn that without full technology transfer, India might end up merely assembling the jets rather than learning to build them, potentially diverting funds away from India's own Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) project.
 
Send manpower to Russia to work on the project, designate a plane to carry them and equipment back and forth , secure the facility way with drone defence ect and get to work .
 
Russia wants to bypass sanctions , we can buy all these ourselves also so assured client.in case war bring them here ,then who cares sactions or no sactions. Su57 is a war machine for real war , so make it there, keep it there but when time comes, load and get it here . All secrets will stay there plus fear factor will get doubled as this will be wild card with no data as no spy cam go that far to Russia.Do something besides show off ,please.
 
Su 57 must be a wild card entry in war time. Real wepaons are use and not for show off. Show off with other stuff .
 
India should buy Empty 500 Su-57M with AL51F (Idzeliye 30) Engines and Helmet and with ToT and buy Empty 900 Mig 35 with Soloviev D30 F6M Engines with ToT and Indo Israeli avionics. Empty Mig 35 for 176 Crore per plane and Empty Su-57 for INR 500 Crore per plane. Total deal will require 4.1 Lac Crores.
 
India has no choice but to upscale its workforce.
The decades of delay and lethargy are now evident and HAL / Govt need to pull the resources.

Su57 is a worthy upgrade to Su30MKI which is currently doing all the heavy lifting alone. We have Rafale's without Meteor, the Astra mk1 is dwarfed by rhe PL-15 and we need Astra mk2 and Astra mk3 immediately.

Govt also need to ensure AMCA doesnt go to HAL but rather to pvt players. Push HAL to prioritize on Tejas mk1a, Mk2, SuperSukhoi, and few squadrons of Su57 (with R37 BVR missile). This will buy us some time till the Astra mk2 and Astra mk3 (Gandiv) comes to operations.
 
Send our people to Russia to pickup Tech and experience in assembly of SU 57. HAL can't be trusted for supplying any jet MK IA or Mk II. They have failed miserably. Country's security can't be compromised depending on HAL alone. Go for SU 57 and do it fast. Rafale is no match to SU 57. Form a committee of experts from IAF , Engineers and Babus to work out India specific requirements and modalities. There is no time for red tapism.
 
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India has no choice but to upscale its workforce.
The decades of delay and lethargy are now evident and HAL / Govt need to pull the resources.

Su57 is a worthy upgrade to Su30MKI which is currently doing all the heavy lifting alone. We have Rafale's without Meteor, the Astra mk1 is dwarfed by rhe PL-15 and we need Astra mk2 and Astra mk3 immediately.

Govt also need to ensure AMCA doesnt go to HAL but rather to pvt players. Push HAL to prioritize on Tejas mk1a, Mk2, SuperSukhoi, and few squadrons of Su57 (with R37 BVR missile). This will buy us some time till the Astra mk2 and Astra mk3 (Gandiv) comes to operations.
Turn everything on its head. Create HAL 2. Kick babus chairs from underneath them. There's plenty of space at Nashik until the babus deliver an alternative facility. Shame shame shame a so called super power looking at renting space. If you don't know how to do your job please resign and allow capable ones do it.
 
Turn everything on its head. Create HAL 2. Kick babus chairs from underneath them. There's plenty of space at Nashik until the babus deliver an alternative facility. Shame shame shame a so called super power looking at renting space. If you don't know how to do your job please resign and allow capable ones do it.
Indeed, we need multiple "HALs" functioning across the country rather just 4-5.
We simply cant say that Nashik facility is the only one which will work on jets, Lucknow facility on Avionics and Koraput on Engines.

Create multiple Nashiks...setup in towns like Bhopal, Nagpur, Hubbali, Jamshedpur, Guwahati and let multiple industries run. There is no lack of workforce, its just the lack of motivation, coz they dont have any challenger. Still perplexed that they decided to shut down the Su30MKi production line in 2021, only to restart it 4 years later.
 
HAL Nasik division is quite overloaded with Tejas MK1A And Sukhoi 30MKI assembly line. So Sukhoi 57E assembly line can be established at HAL Koraput facility which now makes Su30MKI AL31 engine. Govt shouldn't put all eggs in one basket by straining HAL Nasik facility.
 
Indeed, we need multiple "HALs" functioning across the country rather just 4-5.
We simply cant say that Nashik facility is the only one which will work on jets, Lucknow facility on Avionics and Koraput on Engines.

Create multiple Nashiks...setup in towns like Bhopal, Nagpur, Hubbali, Jamshedpur, Guwahati and let multiple industries run. There is no lack of workforce, its just the lack of motivation, coz they dont have any challenger. Still perplexed that they decided to shut down the Su30MKi production line in 2021, only to restart it 4 years later.
Babus better fast track orders of civilian aircraft and prepare Guwahati as a major hub for airlines unless you want to squat. HAL and Embraer competitive planes will be welcomed in creating cheaper transport solutions.
 
Babus better fast track orders of civilian aircraft and prepare Guwahati as a major hub for airlines unless you want to squat. HAL and Embraer competitive planes will be welcomed in creating cheaper transport solutions.

It's not entirely babus fault.
Govt is just busy in election wasting 1000's of crores ( all parties ).

If that money goes to developement etc we will march china in 10 years alone.

Sadly nothing will happen .
 
If this is the case, india will never be able to develop its own stealth aircraft. Coz it will be "too difficult to produce by HAL" according to them. How is HAL selling the dreams of AMCA when they are nervous at the idea of having to license produce a stealth aircraft from kits?? How will they produce AMCA from scratch?? Today or tommorow or may be a day after you have to start somewhere. Then why not with a partner that is ready to hand hold you while you learn the precise processes that are needed to produce such an aircraft.
 
If this is the case, india will never be able to develop its own stealth aircraft. Coz it will be "too difficult to produce by HAL" according to them. How is HAL selling the dreams of AMCA when they are nervous at the idea of having to license produce a stealth aircraft from kits?? How will they produce AMCA from scratch?? Today or tommorow or may be a day after you have to start somewhere. Then why not with a partner that is ready to hand hold you while you learn the precise processes that are needed to produce such an aircraft.

Pagal bana rahe hain.
I would point out defence matrix and alpha defence channels are doing no good by talking about amca and stupid onnoaper radars all the time.

We have to be realistic ,sadly people have been taken on a ride.

Su-57e has been offered with huge tot but people want even more ,lol.Same rafale has small old ga arsenide aesa ,comes with no source code ,has no stealth ,probably got exposed in sindoor or couldn't do for which it was acquired but no one talks about it.

Amca amca when all there is a drawing and nothing more.U need 15 years for 5 gen ,all nations take that much time and they have far more resources and management than us.So.expect amca by 2040 at the best.

Our 29 -31 squadrons which are left have only 260 mki and 36 + rafales which are worth any salt .Even mki has old electronics and basic pesa radar so we only have 36 fighters of modern standard.

Chinese have 300 j-20 alone and 500+ flanker variants most with aesas.

In short we barely have 3 squadrons worth modern fighters actually so stop calling it 29 .Rest are shit jaguars ,mig -29 k and mirage 2000 which can do nothing much in contested airspace.
 
HAL Nasik division is quite overloaded with Tejas MK1A And Sukhoi 30MKI assembly line. So Sukhoi 57E assembly line can be established at HAL Koraput facility which now makes Su30MKI AL31 engine. Govt shouldn't put all eggs in one basket by straining HAL Nasik facility.

Govt is busy with elections.
One nation one election is actually need of hour else we will suffer like this.
 
AMCA may not become operational even after3035 in which case IAF will be in dire straits. Acquiring only Rafael will not suffice in case of a two front prolonged war. Hence it would be better to consider buying SU 57 with TOT source code and R37M to safeguard our borders. Quantities may be decided by IAF
 
AMCA may not become operational even after3035 in which case IAF will be in dire straits. Acquiring only Rafael will not suffice in case of a two front prolonged war. Hence it would be better to consider buying SU 57 with TOT source code and R37M to safeguard our borders. Quantities may be decided by IAF

IAF, going by its decisions is clueless.Or more likely not in contact with the reality of the situation.

In pursuit of buying costly toys when it should be getting good products in more numbers first.When we become 10 trillion economy we may start thinking of making all on our own.
 
If wa war happens today for example ,we may not be able to have air superiority even on pakistan to be Frank without losing equal number of assets.

Not a good feeling
 
AMCA may not become operational even after3035 in which case IAF will be in dire straits. Acquiring only Rafael will not suffice in case of a two front prolonged war. Hence it would be better to consider buying SU 57 with TOT source code and R37M to safeguard our borders. Quantities may be decided by IAF
As your mate says we actually have only 3 effective squadrons if that info is turned on its head that means we have successfully frightened the shit out of those who intend to harm us Or there's actually no one wanting to
I don't see China trying to overrun us, they don't even do that with Taiwanese Islands just a couple of miles away where the residents are bristling with defiance. I don't see Pakistan or Iran overrunning us. That leaves Afghanistan, yes they would be interested to get more females from the Punjab. Bangladesh would be tempted to increase its territory.
So kudos to our guys for fooling everyone.
It seems we have learnt a thing or two from the Ruskis and have our hands out of sight.
 
As your mate says we actually have only 3 effective squadrons if that info is turned on its head that means we have successfully frightened the shit out of those who intend to harm us Or there's actually no one wanting to
I don't see China trying to overrun us, they don't even do that with Taiwanese Islands just a couple of miles away where the residents are bristling with defiance. I don't see Pakistan or Iran overrunning us. That leaves Afghanistan, yes they would be interested to get more females from the Punjab. Bangladesh would be tempted to increase its territory.
So kudos to our guys for fooling everyone.
It seems we have learnt a thing or two from the Ruskis and have our hands out of sight.

China is smart to develop power silently but don't mistake their silence.

They have sold jf17 and other air defence package to pakistan and going to do with Bangladesh too effectively sandwiching india from all 3 sides with networked same type of weapons.

We on the other rhand are wasting time on stupid things instead of signing deals.

I ask basic simple question ,how much time does it need to evaluate a product and decide which is better between a and b and can be bought in good quantities ?
 
India should buy Empty 500 Su-57M with AL51F (Idzeliye 30) Engines and Helmet and with ToT and buy Empty 900 Mig 35 with Soloviev D30 F6M Engines with ToT and Indo Israeli avionics. Empty Mig 35 for 176 Crore per plane and Empty Su-57 for INR 500 Crore per plane. Total deal will require 4.1 Lac Crores.
And make it conditional on Russia to stop firing on Ukraine. period. Then we send massive amounts of material and manpower into Russia to hurry up and build our shit while the Russians can use their resources to repair the damage from the war and the Ukrainians can use their resources to repair the damage in territory that they control. The youth could offer flowers to each other across the dividing line like it happened in Berlin. Both Putin and Zelensky can claim victory and we can visit both celebrations as guests of honour. We can provide both peoples with our favourite Japanese curries. We are the ancestors of both nations after all
 
China is smart to develop power silently but don't mistake their silence.

They have sold jf17 and other air defence package to pakistan and going to do with Bangladesh too effectively sandwiching india from all 3 sides with networked same type of weapons.

We on the other rhand are wasting time on stupid things instead of signing deals.

I ask basic simple question ,how much time does it need to evaluate a product and decide which is better between a and b and can be bought in good quantities ?
I have no clue. It depends on the product to be evaluated, I suppose. If you are talking about new medicines then lots of time. If you are talking about aircraft for a major Air Force then not too much time.
 

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