Lockheed Martin May Not Offer F-35 for India's MRFA Tender Due to Order Size Constraints and US ToT Restrictions, Focus Remains on F-21

Lockheed Martin May Not Offer F-35 for India's MRFA Tender Due to Order Size Constraints and US ToT Restrictions, Focus Remains on F-21


Lockheed Martin, the American aerospace giant, is unlikely to offer its fifth-generation F-35 Lightning II fighter jet for India's upcoming Multi-Role Fighter Aircraft (MRFA) tender, according to company officials.

The tender, seeking 114 new fighter jets for the Indian Air Force (IAF), is expected to be a highly competitive procurement process.

The primary reasons for excluding the F-35 from consideration are the relatively small order size and stringent US government restrictions on technology transfer. Setting up a dedicated F-35 production line in India, as would be required under India's "Make in India" initiative, would necessitate a substantial investment.

The F-35 program is one of the most expensive defense projects globally, and its cost-effectiveness relies on large-scale production. An order of 114 aircraft is considered insufficient to justify the extensive infrastructure, supply chain development, training, and maintenance ecosystem required for a new production facility.

Furthermore, the US government maintains tight control over the F-35's advanced technologies. These include its stealth capabilities, sophisticated AN/APG-81 Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar, and its complex, software-driven avionics.

India's "Make in India" policy prioritizes significant technology transfer to boost domestic defense manufacturing capabilities and reduce reliance on foreign suppliers. The level of technology transfer that the US would likely permit for the F-35 is believed to be insufficient to meet India's requirements.

Instead of the F-35, Lockheed Martin is expected to propose the F-21, a significantly upgraded variant of the F-16 Block 70/72, specifically designed for the Indian Air Force.

The F-21 was first presented in 2019. Although the F-16 platform was previously unsuccessful in the earlier Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) competition, Lockheed Martin maintains that the F-21 incorporates substantial improvements.

Key upgrades on the F-21 include an APG-83 AESA radar (based on F-35 radar technology), conformal fuel tanks to increase flight range, the ability to carry more missiles, and a modern cockpit with a large display. Lockheed Martin asserts that the F-21 provides capabilities similar to those of the F-35, but at a lower cost.

Lockheed Martin is highlighting its commitment to Indian manufacturing by proposing to build the F-21 in collaboration with Tata Advanced Systems Limited (TASL). This partnership mirrors previous offers to establish an F-16 production line in India. Lockheed Martin emphasizes the potential for job creation and the development of a regional hub for F-16/F-21 maintenance, repair, and overhaul (MRO) services, leveraging the large global fleet of F-16s.

However, the F-21 faces considerable challenges in the MRFA competition. The F-16, upon which the F-21 is based, did not meet the technical requirements in the previous MMRCA competition, which ultimately led to India's purchase of 36 French Rafale fighter jets. The Indian Air Force chose Rafale in 2012.

A key concern for the IAF is likely to be the F-21's fourth-generation airframe. While it boasts upgrades, it lacks the inherent stealth and sensor fusion capabilities that define fifth-generation fighters.

With potential competition from advanced 4.5-generation fighters like the Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon, Saab Gripen E, and possibly Russia's Su-35, the F-21 may need to offer significant advantages in pricing, industrial partnerships, and operational performance to secure the contract.

The IAF has increasingly emphasized the need for cutting-edge technology to counter evolving regional threats, particularly China's growing deployment of advanced aircraft like the J-20 stealth fighter. China possesses over 200 J-20s as its frontline fighters.
 
LM can pitch any of the fighter jets in MRFA, but the winner will be decided only on the parameters & evaluation set for MRFA & not on video animation. Shame on LM, can't built a couple of prototypes of the F-21 so that it can have field trials against other contenders. & some fanboy jokers, fools who were entertaining the forum were jumping in the sky, ha ha ha, with Western so-called advanced & superior technology, which Ukraine itself admitted that the F-16 can't match in front of Russian fighters. Ha ha ha. Ukraine were having 20 F-16s, but the impact was not seen as it was over-hyped. The fight is between the Rafale, Eurofighter, & Su-57, that's it. If Dassault fails to meet the criteria of MRFA, then the Su-57 will be the preferred winner. Mark my words.
 
A combination of F-15EX and F-35 will make a deadly set for missions for India.

Only F-35 or only F-15EX is not a good option.

One such set of F-35s and F-15EXs will relieve India of its present needs.

India, by today’s scenario, will become a defense powerhouse by the mid-2030s, but the issue is today.

So, buy F-15EX and F-35.

Compare yourself with China, not Pakistan. Even if Pakistan fights India, you are indirectly fighting against China.

If you are considering that it will take time for Pakistan to acquire J-20 or J-31, you are mistaken. China has huge capacity. One sudden day, you will hear Pakistan has received J-31.

Today’s war is of technological superiority, not solely of the spirit and guts of the army.

You know, in the Armenia-Azerbaijan war, the confident Armenian soldiers became helpless within a few days against Azerbaijan, with all Armenian tanks, armed vehicles, radars, and defense systems battered by superior technological equipment of Azerbaijan, supplied by Türkiye and Israel.

So, go for F-35 plus F-15EX, a separate set of the IAF, without ToT and no production line in India, and off-the-shelf, and a few on the earliest, leased basis, if possible.

All Make in India will go side-by-side for AMCA, Tejas Mk2, and Kaveri engines, USV, UAV, UGV, and others, which is a good thing, no doubt of that.

This may be the best way for India to go through this rough period.
 
It does not make any sense to buy 114 4th-gen jets at all at this time... The best case is the SU-57, but India will not take any risk because the US will become angry if India goes for the SU-57... So, Rafale is the ideal choice, but whatever the IAF chooses, please do it faster... It's f**king 20 years and this drama continues... If India signs this deal today, then the 1st jet will come around 2029... Hurry up!
 
India instead of depending upon US or Russia for 5th Gen , GoI , HAL , ADA , IAF should jointly ensure AMCA rolls out ahead of its planned schedule. And hasten the development of indegenous aero engines.
Privatise HAL. Encourage pvt players to manufacture advanced defence products. Announce more funds for R & D. This is the first step towards achieving Athmanirbhar.
 
LM/Boeing should design a new 4.5+ generation fighter plane. I am sure they can spin it up very quickly (comparatively).

Given the history of the F-16 with Pakistan, India won't be comfortable picking it. Also, by incorporating the learnings, if the USA produces a new 4.5++ generation single-engine fighter plane, it can have brighter chances.
 
F-21, for what? To fight with F-16? Then we will see news of better tech given to Pakistan from the US. Better dump such idea. Don't entertain such offer. Also, in the present situation, where they do anything that they want, we should stay away from buying anything from them. They have not done pending deliveries from the last 4 years.
 
Best option for us will be not to consider both F-35 & F-21. They will be an operational nightmare due to the USA's ever-shifting political and personal ideology & whims.
 
Thanks to the GoG talks. Only if F-35 is not on offer table, ride to Su-57 and AMCA will flourish.
Su-57 is the only solution..govt babus can't even make high tech UAV let alone 5th gen fighter..just look at turkey, even though they're facing economic challenges still rapidly developing military technology for their armed forces/ export, even some projects are ahead of timeline!
 
My opinion is Rafale F5 is the best choice. Otherwise, we opt Gripen E. US-made F-21, F-15E are outdated, Russian Su-57 is not stealth aircraft.
 
Su-57 is the only solution..govt babus can't even make high tech UAV let alone 5th gen fighter..just look at turkey, even though they're facing economic challenges still rapidly developing military technology for their armed forces/ export, even some projects are ahead of timeline!
Actually they are partnering with the USA so a lot of the technology is coming from them rather than developing it indigenously
 
India is not going to buy anymore foreign planes at all. Focus needs to be on developing our own indigenous capabilities and they should use the government and private sector companies to do that. It’s best to let the private sector take the lead.
 
LM can pitch any of the fighter jets in MRFA, but the winner will be decided only on the parameters & evaluation set for MRFA & not on video animation. Shame on LM, can't built a couple of prototypes of the F-21 so that it can have field trials against other contenders. & some fanboy jokers, fools who were entertaining the forum were jumping in the sky, ha ha ha, with Western so-called advanced & superior technology, which Ukraine itself admitted that the F-16 can't match in front of Russian fighters. Ha ha ha. Ukraine were having 20 F-16s, but the impact was not seen as it was over-hyped. The fight is between the Rafale, Eurofighter, & Su-57, that's it. If Dassault fails to meet the criteria of MRFA, then the Su-57 will be the preferred winner. Mark my words.
The Ukrainians have old F-16s, and were comparing them to the latest Su-35S. It will be a VERY different picture if an F-16V, with AESA radar, meets an old Su-27.
 
LM hasn't learnt. India does not need glorified F-16. LM needs to open its eyes. We need F-35 now. IAF and its requirements have changed.
 
Yet again the big question - WHICH country CAN produce such quantity of 5th gen fighters? And not just sell you empty promises.
We can evaluate and get changes/enhancements incorporated in SU57. Recall, when we bought Su30, it was also not considered cutting edge that time. It would be better than 4th gen Rafale's. Our evaluation and decision making will also take few years.
 
We can evaluate and get changes/enhancements incorporated in SU57. Recall, when we bought Su30, it was also not considered cutting edge that time. It would be better than 4th gen Rafale's. Our evaluation and decision making will also take few years.
Su 30 was created in the USSR which had a military industrial complex 10 times the size of Russia's today, with the accent now mostly on PR and marketing. But hey, it's your money..if you consider a China vassal state to be your 'most reliable' partner.
 
Still in the "upcoming" for Request For Proposal probability. It will be a miracle if the final decision is made after a long process of evaluation to sign the deal if it happens by late 2026. By this time the outspoken CAS will be preparing to retire and it all depends on the next guy coming onboard how serious he is in pushing through MRFA project.
 
India instead of depending upon US or Russia for 5th Gen , GoI , HAL , ADA , IAF should jointly ensure AMCA rolls out ahead of its planned schedule. And hasten the development of indegenous aero engines.
Privatise HAL. Encourage pvt players to manufacture advanced defence products. Announce more funds for R & D. This is the first step towards achieving Athmanirbhar.
When will that be. How is IAF is going to mitigate the fast depleting fighter Squadrons to stopgap at the soonest possible time. The snail pace progress in delivering Mk1A in numbers to IAF is a glaring example of timelines missed too often.
 

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