Why India's AMCA Outpaces Foreign-Backed Fighter Programs

Why India's AMCA Outpaces Foreign-Backed Fighter Programs


India's steadfast pursuit of its Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) program underscores the nation's unwavering commitment to achieving self-reliance in defence technologies.

While rival programs such as South Korea's KF-21 Boramae and Turkey's KAAN have made strides, India's singular focus on indigenous development sets it apart in the landscape of advanced fighter jet initiatives.

The Limitations of Dependence​

Both the KF-21 and KAAN programs, though ambitious in scope, rely heavily on foreign assistance and technology. Defence expert highlights that the KF-21 incorporates significant contributions from American companies such as Raytheon and Northrop Grumman. Turkey's KAAN program has similarly benefited from assistance by BAE Systems and US-based firms.

This dependence introduces potential hurdles. Delays are one concern, as foreign partners may have competing priorities or become subject to geopolitical influences.

Furthermore, relying on external sources for critical technologies limits a nation's control over the final product and can potentially increase the risk of espionage.

India's Bold Path to Self-Reliance​

In stark contrast, India has charted a course for the AMCA program defined by a commitment to indigenous development.

By declining potentially lucrative partnerships offered through the MRFA program, India aims to achieve over 70% indigenous content in its advanced fighter, a significant feat compared to its peers. This strategy ensures India maintains complete technological sovereignty over the AMCA.

Though the AMCA program may have had a later start than those of South Korea and Turkey, its self-directed nature brings unique advantages. India mitigates the risks tied to geopolitics and external dependencies.

Moreover, the nation benefits from accelerated technological advancement driven by the necessity of developing all systems domestically.

National Security and Technological Advancement​

India's pursuit of the AMCA extends beyond technological independence; it is a cornerstone of a broader vision for bolstering national defence capabilities.

By achieving self-sufficiency in this critical sector, India ensures unhindered development and control of a vital element of its military power.

As India continues its trajectory toward becoming an aerospace technology leader, the AMCA program stands as a bold testament to its ambition.

The nation's focus on indigenous development and strategic autonomy serves as a model for other countries seeking to strengthen their own defence sectors while maintaining technological sovereignty.
 
Good Article for those who were very excited about This Two 4.75 Stealth Fighter Jet . AMCA is going in Right Direction After 110Kn indigenous Engine Content may go over 90%. Yes India will have Control over some critical Tech and AMCA MK1 IS 5.5 Fighter Jet & AMCAMK2 is 6th gen upgrded Tech .when it Enters in production it will match similar Fighter jet that is 6th Gen .
 
Engine is a fighter jet's heart which will be denied first in sanctions.Untill it is indigenised there is no self sufficiecy.
 
on paper India has all the necessary tech which are building blocks of 5th gen fighter. The only question, and it is a big question, is to get it all together and mass manufacture the thing. 5th gen fighters are notoriously difficult to build in large numbers. F35 has hit its maximum production rate just now, after more than a decade since induction.

Maybe the delay in start of prototyping and going for Tejas mk2 as a bridge between tejas mk1a and AMCA, was a good thing. As it allowed us to develop and test the major subsystems beforehand and helps accelerate development of AMCA. Lets see how it pans out.
 
Engine is a fighter jet's heart which will be denied first in sanctions.Untill it is indigenised there is no self sufficiecy.
govt also thinks the same, that is why DAC gave condition of signing the 414 local production deal before giving green light to prototyping in order to force HAL and IAF to finalise it. Otherwise, it would have been in back burner for long.
 
Engine is a fighter jet's heart which will be denied first in sanctions.Untill it is indigenised there is no self sufficiecy.
Even if it is Indigenised US can Imposed sanctions , Once Foreign Partner is Finalised it will go to Self sufficiency.Only First 40 to 45 Including Prototypes req this GE 414 .Engine.Couple of day it was NEWS about Engine Testing Facility being Buit.
 
Reference the article, this really is a great project that will help build an ecosystem for advanced technologies in the country
 
  • This would be self-defeating because it would neither be cost-competitive nor export-oriented and the space would be grabbed upon by USA, RoK & Turkiye in 5th gen class leaving India for Africans & Latin Americans.
  • Every succeeding generation will be more pricier than preceding. And if French, Germans, British & Americans have learnt lessons in offsetting cost through developmental workshare arrangements, Indians should --- by not doing we would be none wiser. They are the inventors, pioneers & top-notches of aviation ecosystem. Following Chinese & Russian autarchic Aatmanirbhar route will come at a cost.
  • KF-21relies no more "heavily" than AMCA would on French, USA, German, Malaysia, Netherlands. 18 exact technologies were not granted by USA. LM, RTX, L3H, MooG, etc.. filled the gap through consultation & collaboration. South Koreans have time, money & export advantage over us.
  • Minimize the risk of espionage.....Huhh❗How many defence personnel & DRDO have been honey trapped 🍯? India imports all military grade servers, workstation, HPC, microprocessors, DSP, CPU, GPU, machine tools, CNC from GVCs. That's how things are "vulnerable".
 
  • This would be self-defeating because it would neither be cost-competitive nor export-oriented and the space would be grabbed upon by USA, RoK & Turkiye in 5th gen class leaving India for Africans & Latin Americans.
  • Every succeeding generation will be more pricier than preceding. And if French, Germans, British & Americans have learnt lessons in offsetting cost through developmental workshare arrangements, Indians should --- by not doing we would be none wiser. They are the inventors, pioneers & top-notches of aviation ecosystem. Following Chinese & Russian autarchic Aatmanirbhar route will come at a cost.
  • KF-21relies no more "heavily" than AMCA would on French, USA, German, Malaysia, Netherlands. 18 exact technologies were not granted by USA. LM, RTX, L3H, MooG, etc.. filled the gap through consultation & collaboration. South Koreans have time, money & export advantage over us.
  • Minimize the risk of espionage.....Huhh❗How many defence personnel & DRDO have been honey trapped 🍯? India imports all military grade servers, workstation, HPC, microprocessors, DSP, CPU, GPU, machine tools, CNC from GVCs. That's how things are "vulnerable".
You believe Sarkari Bureaucrats brought up on and admitted to on the ideals of positive discrimination care about puny things like "best practices"?

We are a confused nation trying to ride two boats of capitalism and populism driven state owned corporation at the same time.
 
You believe Sarkari Bureaucrats brought up on and admitted to on the ideals of positive discrimination care about puny things like "best practices"?

We are a confused nation trying to ride two boats of capitalism and populism driven state owned corporation at the same time.
Perhaps Aatmanirbharta has become politicised & egotistical. No more Economics or S&T.
 
India is the 4th country to seriously design and try to produce 5th gen fighter jet.

USA way ahead.

RUSSIA and CHINA catching up.

INDIA way behind.

Most of the European countries are going for 6th gen unmanned
 
We are so indepependt that every def projects overshots timelines, budget all the while undershooting the our urgent time bound capabilities
 
Great, but now DRDO and HAL need to deliver the 1st prototype by 2027-2028 and produce in numbers by 2030-2032, and then operationalize Mk-2 (with 2 more side internal weapons bays + rear stealth + stealth external fuel tanks) by 2035 - can they???
 
This is the crucial difference that people don't understand when they say South Korea and Turkey are overtaking India when they aren't as they are just buying parts, components, equipment and technology from the USA and NATO allies.

India is developing everything by itself which is essential if we want to learn the science and technology involved to develop this jet because nobody else will give it to us. This jet will become the backbone of the IAF which we need to increase our fire power and squadron strength.
 
Great, but now DRDO and HAL need to deliver the 1st prototype by 2027-2028 and produce in numbers by 2030-2032, and then operationalize Mk-2 (with 2 more side internal weapons bays + rear stealth + stealth external fuel tanks) by 2035 - can they???
Realistically, earliest we can start the production by 2032 , not before that...

For a new jet where most of the technology is Indigenous & being developed for that project only , you need to test the system for 4-6 years to get the certification...

Tejas Mk-2 production earliest by 2030 and AMCA Mk-1 production earliest by 2032 , & most probably TEDBF will go beyond further
 
10 years Minimum I would say, 15 is too much I would say considering how rapidly the ecosystem is being created
If GE-404 engine for Tejas MK1A and GE F414 engine for Tejas MK2 get delayed all the delays will trickle down, as of now there is no clarity as to when we get these engines and if we even.
 
What is wrong with taking help from friends in developing the K 21 and the KAAN, which can help expedite the induction of these fighters?
 

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