With Its 2100K Turbine Temperature, How India's 120kN AMCA Engine Poised to Leapfrog Chinese WS-15 Engines on J-20

With Its 2100K Turbine Temperature, How India's 120kN AMCA Engine Poised to Leapfrog Chinese WS-15 Engines on J-20


In a major step toward military aviation self-reliance, India has solidified a partnership with French aerospace leader Safran to co-develop a next-generation fighter jet engine.

This collaboration with India's Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE) aims to produce a powerful 120 kilonewton (kN) thrust engine destined for the future Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) Mk2 and the naval Twin Engine Deck-Based Fighter (TEDBF).

The new engine's specifications signal a monumental leap in India's technological capabilities. At its core is a planned Turbine Entry Temperature (TET) of 2100 Kelvin (K), a critical performance benchmark that places it in the elite category of the world's most advanced powerplants.

This high-temperature operation is key to achieving greater thrust and fuel efficiency, potentially allowing India to surpass decades of Chinese progress in jet engine technology, particularly when compared to the WS-15 engine designed for China's J-20 stealth fighter.

A higher Turbine Entry Temperature directly translates to superior engine performance. The 2100K target puts the Indo-French engine on par with the powerplants of top-tier Western fighters, such as the Pratt & Whitney F135 used in the American F-35.

This marks a significant breakthrough for India, whose previous indigenous effort, the Kaveri engine, was unable to achieve the required thrust for modern combat aircraft due to challenges in mastering high-temperature material sciences.

The partnership with Safran provides India with crucial access to their expertise in single-crystal turbine blades, ceramic matrix composites, and advanced cooling technologies that are essential for operating an engine at such extreme temperatures.

China's aerospace industry, despite considerable investment and progress, has historically faced difficulties in developing jet engines that match the performance and reliability of their Western or Russian counterparts.

Its premier engine, the Shenyang WS-15, which is intended for the J-20 fighter, is estimated to have a TET of around 1800-1900K. This is substantially lower than the 2100K goal for the new AMCA engine, indicating a persistent gap in material durability and thermal efficiency.

Many operational J-20s are still believed to be flying with the older and less powerful WS-10C engine, which has a TET of approximately 1700-1800K and requires more frequent maintenance.

The development path chosen by India also provides a strategic advantage. While China has spent decades on an iterative process, often relying on reverse-engineering foreign designs, India's collaboration with Safran is set to include a full Transfer of Technology (ToT).

This approach allows India's defence industry to bypass years of trial-and-error and absorb proven, cutting-edge technology directly. The timeline reflects this advantage, with engine testing projected to begin by 2028 and production slated for the early 2030s, aligning perfectly with the planned induction of the AMCA Mk2.

The implications of this project extend beyond a single aircraft. By mastering the complex technology behind advanced aero-engines, India is building a robust industrial ecosystem for future development.

This new engine could be a stepping stone for creating even more powerful systems required for sixth-generation fighters, which may include features like directed energy weapons.

This collaboration not only strengthens India's immediate military capabilities but also positions the nation as a formidable player in the global aerospace and defence sector for decades to come.
 
Well, im sorry to break it to you, but Safran's offer is still.. unimpressive. And thats being generous. Safran is offering india a scaled up M88 core (4th gen) without any VCE abilities. Whats VCE? Variable Cycle Engine. Hallmark of the 6th generation of fighter engines. At the same time, Safran is pursuing a clean-sheet 6th gen with VCE for their own FCAS program. As of now, RR seems committed to attempting to still carve their way into the joint development with india- although weakened. They are offering a clean-sheet 6th gen engine, and crucially, WITH VCE.
 
Im going to go into more detail on this. I noticed some fundamental flaws with the enthusiasm of this post- the F135 is a 5th-gen engine, developed for the f-35 Lighting II. India, on the other hand, is looking for something more advanced- a 6th generation engine. What does this new frontier or jet engines entail? Some of its hallmarks is VCE technology. It allows the engine to physically alter its bypass ratio, from a low-bypass turbofan to a high-bypass turbofan. This is critical in efficient usage of fuel and power- the engine can optimize range, fuel consumption, and loitering capability. It generally offers ~30% greater range, along with ~20% better fuel consumption. They will also be able to produce much higher electric power, allowing it to complete energy-heavy tasks, like commanding drone swarms, and utilizing Directed Energy Weapons (DEW). Safran's offer is firmly in the 5th, or '5.5' gen of engines. While featuring advanced 5th gen techniques, its fundamental architecture- its core, is a 4th-gen derivative. On the other hand, Rolls-Royce (RR) is offering a clean-sheet 6th generation engine, which entails all of the features I mentioned- while featuring VCE technology aswell. It would provide a generational leap for India, and firmly place it among the top nations which produce these highly complex military engines, with the likes of the United States, China, Russia, France, Japan, and the UK. The only downside to the RR offer is this: a ~3 year longer development timeline. Its set to be ready by 2038- 3 years after the induction of the AMCA mk 2 is planned, in 2035. Safran's offer aligns perfectly with the AMCA. However, a major trade-off for Safran's punctuality, is its long term relevancy. There are valid concerns that the engine produced, if Safran is chosen, will be showing its age within the decade. While the other top nations race ahead towards the 6th generation, India choosing to remain behind would be a disastrous one. Here's my opinion on this: I personally believe India should choose RR. Despite the 3-year longer wait, it would provide a much longer relevancy period than a 4th-gen core. In the end, its up to the MoD to weigh the pros and cons of both offers, and come to a decision.
 
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Im going to go into more detail on this. I noticed some fundamental flaws with the enthusiasm of this post- the F135 is a 5th-gen engine, developed for the f-35 Lighting II. India, on the other hand, is looking for something more advanced- a 6th generation engine. What does this new frontier or jet engines entail? Some of its hallmarks is VCE technology. It allows the engine to physically alter its bypass ratio, from a low-bypass turbofan to a high-bypass turbofan. This is critical in efficient usage of fuel and power- the engine can optimize range, fuel consumption, and loitering capability. It generally offers ~30% greater range, along with ~20% better fuel consumption. They will also be able to produce much higher electric power, allowing it to complete energy-heavy tasks, like commanding drone swarms, and utilizing Directed Energy Weapons (DEW). Safran's offer is firmly in the 5th, or '5.5' gen of engines. While featuring advanced 5th gen techniques, its fundamental architecture- its core, is a 4th-gen derivative. On the other hand, Rolls-Royce (RR) is offering a clean-sheet 6th generation engine, which entails all of the features I mentioned- while featuring VCE technology aswell. It would provide a generational leap for India, and firmly place it among the top nations which produce these highly complex military engines, with the likes of the United States, China, Russia, France, Japan, and the UK. The only downside to the RR offer is this: a ~3 year longer development timeline. Its set to be ready by 2038- 3 years after the induction of the AMCA mk 2 is planned, in 2035. Safran's offer aligns perfectly with the AMCA. However, a major trade-off for Safran's punctuality, is its long term relevancy. There are valid concerns that the engine produced, if Safran is chosen, will be showing its age within the decade. While the other top nations race ahead towards the 6th generation, India choosing to remain behind would be a disastrous one. Here's my opinion on this: I personally believe India should choose RR. Despite the 3-year longer wait, it would provide a much longer relevancy period than a 4th-gen core. In the end, its up to the MoD to weigh the pros and cons of both offers, and come to a decision.
Thanks. I would second your thinking. We also need to walk before we sprint so let's us earn more dough for MoD to be able to get both.
 
Thanks. I would second your thinking. We also need to walk before we sprint so let's us earn more dough for MoD to be able to get both.
Thank you! I'm glad to have a like-minded peer present. I agree, in an ideal situation, India would be able to fund both RR and Safran, creating an air of competitiveness. Unfortunately, our current budget does not account for that, hence why I chose RR as my preferred choice.
 
Thank you! I'm glad to have a like-minded peer present. I agree, in an ideal situation, India would be able to fund both RR and Safran, creating an air of competitiveness. Unfortunately, our current budget does not account for that, hence why I chose RR as my preferred choice.
The Kohinoor rules England. The gypsies who evacuated across the Himalayan mountains managed to reach Scotland and become Royalty. They managed to sail around Africa and unite India. Yes we own England and have sacrificed our lives to protect it's interests. England would ditch imperialism to stand with its children. Hopefully they will stop loosing the Indian science and technologies that they have mastered. The uncorroding pillar stands proudly in India. The anti gravitational exhibit from Bengal was dismantled, never to be reassembled possibly till now. Now lets create a Desi Bid coin and run through false pretenses and forgeries. Yes we can easily generate infinity.
 
"monumental leap in India's technological capabilities" ???

Seriously ? India doesn't have its own technology and hence buys it for a price of over INR 60,000 crores.

You can only say "India tries to advance its technological capabilities with the help of France"
 

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