AMCA Stealth Shaping Finalized, Extensive Research on Stealth Materials Underway

Better for India to cancel the MFRA and invest the funds in engine avionics and othe technology and infrastructure development

So IAF will deter the chinese & p0rk planes with hockey sticks? That is what will happen if you do not give optimum fighters to IAF.

 

[Raghav Patel]

Dr. Samir V. Kamat, Secretary of the Department of Defence R&D and Chairman of DRDO, confirmed that the critical stealth shaping process for the AMCA has been finalized.

Stealth shaping is a crucial aspect of designing low-observable aircraft, minimizing their radar cross-section (RCS) and making them harder to detect. Dr. Kamat highlighted the importance of shaping, stating that it accounts for approximately 70% of a fighter jet's stealth capabilities, with the remaining 30% dependent on specialized materials.

DRDO is actively engaged in research and development of advanced materials to complement the AMCA's stealth shaping. This includes radar-absorbing materials (RAM) to reduce radar signature, infrared-reduction materials to manage heat emissions, and the exploration of radar-absorbing structures for a comprehensive approach to stealth.

Dr. Kamat reassured that substantial progress has been made in material development and testing, including radar cross-section measurements for the finalized AMCA shape. He expressed confidence that the AMCA will achieve the targeted low RCS performance expected of a 5th-generation fighter jet.

This development marks a significant advancement in India's pursuit of an indigenous stealth fighter jet, enhancing the AMCA's survivability and combat effectiveness in modern aerial warfare.

 

[sanket]

DRDO has made good strides, chances of Joining similar project looks grim. Only Foreign Fighter jet procured will b under MRFA .Tempest project will b Minus India.India wants Only Engine development partners & Not partners in developemnt of Fighter jet .

 

[Pramkumar]

Better for India to cancel the MFRA and invest the funds in engine avionics and othe technology and infrastructure development

 

[Vineet Sharma]

Good work.. I believe in you. Atleast u people tell truth if yes this is yes if no we will make another effort. Yes it is time taking and always need money but R&D is always such a stream.. A honest research always come with beauty.. Atleast in India Marketing fanboys are not empowered enough to show a junk to greatest design of all time like many countries does in today's time

 

[Bharat007]

Let them go ahead with MRFA if it is Plan B. If Plan A ie Tejas Mk2, and AMCA got delayed then MRFA can act as stopgap. It is better to have both Plan A and B. Only Goverment and IAF knows what is best.

 

[Sudha]

Thought that the design stage was over & they requested for additional funds to develop parts & test aircrafts.

 

[Ranjeet Singh]

Apply Plasma coating for remaining 30% stealth ! Even better copy geometric stealth airframe tech on Tejas-1A. Tejas- AFMK-II ! But fast track rolling out AMCA-MK-I before IAF retire Mirage-2000, Mig-29 !

 

[NSR]

If that is the case then why do we need to buy 114 MRFA fighters at all.

We are going to have a first prototype of Tejas Mk2 by end of 2025 or beginning of 2026.
We are going to have a prototype of AMCA by 2027 end at least.
We are also going to have a TEDBF prototype by about same time as AMCA in 2027.

So it is not worth wasting $20 to 30 billions on MRFA when all of these will coming into play.

Perhaps India can order 36 Rafales for IAF and ask Dassault to assemble some of them in India with HAL so it can be maintained and upgraded in India.

 

[beencensured]

So IAF will deter the chinese & p0rk planes with hockey sticks? That is what will happen if you do not give optimum fighters to IAF.

MRFA is not coming anytime soon. Expect more delays, maybe used aircraft,su30mki Tejas mk1a etc. The main reason is not AMCA, but Tejas II which would be like Rafale in capability with sensor fusion, AI, and etc.

 

[Vijigishu ( विजिग्शु )]

If that is the case then why do we need to buy 114 MRFA fighters at all.

We are going to have a first prototype of Tejas Mk2 by end of 2025 or beginning of 2026.
We are going to have a prototype of AMCA by 2027 end at least.
We are also going to have a TEDBF prototype by about same time as AMCA in 2027.

So it is not worth wasting $20 to 30 billions on MRFA when all of these will coming into play.

Perhaps India can order 36 Rafales for IAF and ask Dassault to assemble some of them in India with HAL so it can be maintained and upgraded in India.

Prototype of Amca and Tedbf by 2027 is a very long shot. Given their track record, it's almost impossible. They are not coming till 2030. Add another 10 year for their induction and serial production.

MRFA is necessity, should be signed asap.

 

[Bharat007]

If that is the case then why do we need to buy 114 MRFA fighters at all.

We are going to have a first prototype of Tejas Mk2 by end of 2025 or beginning of 2026.
We are going to have a prototype of AMCA by 2027 end at least.
We are also going to have a TEDBF prototype by about same time as AMCA in 2027.

So it is not worth wasting $20 to 30 billions on MRFA when all of these will coming into play.

Perhaps India can order 36 Rafales for IAF and ask Dassault to assemble some of them in India with HAL so it can be maintained and upgraded in India.

MRFA is likely a Plan B, in case Plan A (indigenous aircraft like AMCA/Tejas Mk2) gets delayed.

 

[Swapy]

114 MRFA tender if Rafale get selected then it will cost 25 bln $ which is even more than probably AMCA. Once we finalized the MRFA jet then it will take 2 years for cost negotiation and India specific changes and then another 3 years to delivered 1st fighter jet. If we are planning to make Jet in India then it will take 4-5 years. In that case year 2030 will come. All these assumption is based on if we finalized fighter jet this year. HAL will start delivering Tejas MK2 from 2028-2029 onwards.
Can we wait till then? I am telling from start that IAF should give order 36 more Rafale now and cancelled MRFA. In 25 bln $ we will get 300 Tejas MK2

 

[Akshat]

MRFA is not coming anytime soon. Expect more delays, maybe used aircraft,su30mki Tejas mk1a etc. The main reason is not AMCA, but Tejas II which would be like Rafale in capability with sensor fusion, AI, and etc.

But it was supposed to go into production in 2016. Still hasn’t even been rolled out. So forget mk2 till at least 2040.

 

[Akshat]

Good work.. I believe in you. Atleast u people tell truth if yes this is yes if no we will make another effort. Yes it is time taking and always need money but R&D is always such a stream.. A honest research always come with beauty.. Atleast in India Marketing fanboys are not empowered enough to show a junk to greatest design of all time like many countries does in today's time

So you haven’t read the CAG report which detailed the lies of DRDO? They literally filed a success report when the project was a complete failure. Didn’t work at all.

 

[Akshat]

Thought that the design stage was over & they requested for additional funds to develop parts & test aircrafts.

We are talking about DRDO here.

 

[Akshat]

114 MRFA tender if Rafale get selected then it will cost 25 bln $ which is even more than probably AMCA. Once we finalized the MRFA jet then it will take 2 years for cost negotiation and India specific changes and then another 3 years to delivered 1st fighter jet. If we are planning to make Jet in India then it will take 4-5 years. In that case year 2030 will come. All these assumption is based on if we finalized fighter jet this year. HAL will start delivering Tejas MK2 from 2028-2029 onwards.
Can we wait till then? I am telling from start that IAF should give order 36 more Rafale now and cancelled MRFA. In 25 bln $ we will get 300 Tejas MK2

Mk2 ain’t coming till 2040. At least. Can we wait till then?

 

[kumar]

Finally some good news. They can now go in for prototyping as well as stealth airframe validation tests with the actual prototype.

 

[AK S]

But it was supposed to go into production in 2016. Still hasn’t even been rolled out. So forget mk2 till at least 2040.

MRFA tender is likely to come after Mk2 first flight and most likely with staggered order. IAF is resisting any other development to forward MRFA. BTW, if IAF was really serious, they could have ordered Mk1A at least 5 years before saving precious lives lost to MiG crashes. IAF took 3 years just to finalize Mk1A price, where all entities reports into MoD. IAF’s approach unfortunately aids foreign propagandist like you.

 

[Akshat]

MRFA tender is likely to come after Mk2 first flight and most likely with staggered order. IAF is resisting any other development to forward MRFA. BTW, if IAF was really serious, they could have ordered Mk1A at least 5 years before saving precious lives lost to MiG crashes. IAF took 3 years just to finalize Mk1A price, where all entities reports into MoD. IAF’s approach unfortunately aids foreign propagandist like you.

More lies. Tejas’s new production line came online in 2021. So there was perfect sync in order and production, if HAL had stuck to timeline. IAF ordered it on perfect timing but HAL couldn’t deliver.

And what’s more? If HAL had delivered Tejas by 1995 as promised, far more lives could have been saved.

As for MRFA, it will be done way earlier. HAL simply can’t deliver mk2 in the next 5 years for first flight. We have been waiting for it for over a decade now. Official HAL words.

But amid doesn’t punish them and their approach helps DRDO propagandists like you.

 

[AK S]

So you haven’t read the CAG report which detailed the lies of DRDO? They literally filed a success report when the project was a complete failure. Didn’t work at all.

Read the report on Dassault or even Naval Group too - consistent defaulter in terms of meeting their investments and tech transfer obligations. Enlighten us with Mirage deal also.

 

[AK S]

Mk2 ain’t coming till 2040. At least. Can we wait till then?

It will fly before MRFA tender. Thereafter burden will be on IAF to rationalise their asks.

 

[Akshat]

It will fly before MRFA tender. Thereafter burden will be on IAF to rationalise their asks.

That’s what they have been promising to MoD since 2014 😂😂That’s why MRFA is so late. ⏰ bus is on them to make a world class jet and do what foreign jets can do. IAF gives them massive concessions anyways.

 

[Akshat]

Read the report on Dassault or even Naval Group too - consistent defaulter in terms of meeting their investments and tech transfer obligations. Enlighten us with Mirage deal also.

Please show me where has CAG said that Dassault or even NG ‘defaulted’. Same for Mirage deal. Please show where has anyone said that any unfair practices were used.

 

[Sandeep]

This is something that would have been done a long time ago. The fighters design, shape, materials to be used, technology and weapons was done before building a prototype so this article is pointless misinformation.

 

[Vineet Sharma]

So you haven’t read the CAG report which detailed the lies of DRDO? They literally filed a success report when the project was a complete failure. Didn’t work at all.

Har koi gyan deta hai R&D walo ko.. CAG is not having any technical background. This is only report of plan vs actual. That's it

 

[Akshat]

Har koi gyan deta hai R&D walo ko.. CAG is not having any technical background. This is only report of plan vs actual. That's it

So you are saying an auditor doesn’t know how to audit? 😂😂

 

[PKPRS]

DRDO has made good strides, chances of Joining similar project looks grim. Only Foreign Fighter jet procured will b under MRFA .Tempest project will b Minus India.India wants Only Engine development partners & Not partners in developemnt of Fighter jet .

Then Dassault will be out of the race.

 

[PKPRS]

Better for India to cancel the MFRA and invest the funds in engine avionics and othe technology and infrastructure development

It will take time for the Indian jets, so if MRFA is expensive and not feasible, then we should at-least purchase 1-2 squadrons of 5th gen jets, there is no point of wasting our money on 4 th gen tech, when we already have that capability locally.

 

[PKPRS]

MRFA is not coming anytime soon. Expect more delays, maybe used aircraft,su30mki Tejas mk1a etc. The main reason is not AMCA, but Tejas II which would be like Rafale in capability with sensor fusion, AI, and etc.

Yes I agree, but they might be waiting for a 5th gen jet also, so they will either drag till that time and buy some used jets to compensate for the retired jets.