Bhartiya Sainik
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For now, as you have not yet decided on tree structure, i would like to combine all 6gen jets in this 1 thread, bcoz it is altogether a future topic with R&D in preliminary stage.
The french inflate the price of rafale. The french govt buys rafale at half the price they sell it to international customers. I know that it is the norm. But still.It is going to be super expensive than Rafale’s $300Mlm, but it will be much capable and more advanced than the 4th gen jet though.
And yet it defeated EF and F18 on price!The french inflate the price of rafale. The french govt buys rafale at half the price they sell it to international customers. I know that it is the norm. But still.
That is why we should just buy the few dozen rafale M, and delete MRFA. Invest that money in increasing production of domestic jets and missiles and R&D
I dont know about that. after all the order size was reduced. Details of the deal are murky.And yet it defeated EF and F18 on price!
Nothing murky or unclear. Rafale beat them down on price. It has been officially stated. Unless you wanna allege corruption despite SC and CAG’s clear clean chit.I dont know about that. after all the order size was reduced. Details of the deal are murky.
no I am not alleging corruption. But if rafale beat them on price why was the order cut from original to just 36? I dont believe rafales were cheaper that F-18. Rafales were mainly chosen for being superior and matching our requirements better. The same is the case for Rafale marine.Nothing murky or unclear. Rafale beat them down on price. It has been officially stated. Unless you wanna allege corruption despite SC and CAG’s clear clean chit.
Japan has already said no to Saudi’sIndia should try and become an equity partner in GCAP, now provided UK+Japan+Italy agree.
Your belief doesn’t matter. Navy chief is on record that the requirements were met by both planes and MoD will decide. DPP clearly states that cost shall be the sole factor in case of multiple equipments meeting the requirements. So yes, Rafale beat down F18 on cost. Nothing else but cost.no I am not alleging corruption. But if rafale beat them on price why was the order cut from original to just 36? I dont believe rafales were cheaper that F-18. Rafales were mainly chosen for being superior and matching our requirements better. The same is the case for Rafale marine.
I know EF was costly, but I know that F-18 was cheaper. We went for expensive rafale because it was more capable. Just because rafale was cheaper than EF, does not mean it was not super costly. Because it was costly its number was cut down to 36.Your belief doesn’t matter. Navy chief is on record that the requirements were met by both planes and MoD will decide. DPP clearly states that cost shall be the sole factor in case of multiple equipments meeting the requirements. So yes, Rafale beat down F18 on cost. Nothing else but cost.
As for 36, we all know the saga. Nothing to discuss there. Mod has given official statement that Rafale beat EF on cost.
You forgot about strings pulling part.Your belief doesn’t matter. Navy chief is on record that the requirements were met by both planes and MoD will decide. DPP clearly states that cost shall be the sole factor in case of multiple equipments meeting the requirements. So yes, Rafale beat down F18 on cost. Nothing else but cost.
As for 36, we all know the saga. Nothing to discuss there. Mod has given official statement that Rafale beat EF on cost.
Difference between CAPEX & OPEX , happens in every procurement...The french inflate the price of rafale. The french govt buys rafale at half the price they sell it to international customers. I know that it is the norm. But still.
That is why we should just buy the few dozen rafale M, and delete MRFA. Invest that money in increasing production of domestic jets and missiles and R&D
what if we invest that 30 billion in our own defence industrial base and set up 2 or 3 production lines for tejas mk2 and another for mk1a. We can 3 times the return.Difference between CAPEX & OPEX , happens in every procurement...
In india it happens with Tejas mk-1a deals , in USA it happens with F-35 , for Russia it happens in Su-30 and other Sukhoi jets that has already been inducted in various numbers..
I m also not in the favour of MRFA because it will take out $ 30 billion + in long term ( engines , mid life upgrades , Spares ) but it a must considering Tejas mk-2 production timelines...
True, we can also invest those money on ORCA program also. We can do many things with those 30 billion.what if we invest that 30 billion in our own defence industrial base and set up 2 or 3 production lines for tejas mk2 and another for mk1a. We can 3 times the return.
Important point is that there is local production component of rafale, so if we place order today, how long it will take to setup local production line, and producing 114 aircrafts. I believe that it will take more than 15 years from today to get the last rafale from MRFA. How is this timeline better than just tejas mk2. We can make 2 times the number of tejas mk2 in that much time using that much money.