Greece, India Explore Joint Negotiation for Rafale Fighter Jet Procurement

[Akshat]

This is an idea that would have been pursued if it was possible. While the jet fuselage, landing gear, engines etc will be very similar the problem is that the technology is very different as they use NATO standard while we have our own.

The problem will be that the technology like radars, sensors, software, EW, maybe a derated engine, missiles, bombs, instruments, towed decoy, IRST, encrypted software defined radios etc will be very different. Any technology that NATO uses will be unavailable to us as we are not part of NATO and the rules state that any technology, parts, components, sensors, weapons etc will have to be an inferior version to what NATO uses so that they can retain military superiority over any technology exported to a non NATO country.

No rule says that the tech has to be inferior to NATO. In fact, Rafales of IAF are said to be better than even France itself. Our radars are same. Weapons are anyways add ons and any weapon once integrated is available for purchase. Engine is same. So most of the stuff is same.

 

[Tanishq Bafila]

I guess Greece Foreign & Defence ministry aren't aware of Defence procurements of India.. MRFA hasn't moved a bit in last 4 years , even if we float RFP early next year it will still take 3-4 years to sign a deal

Can GREECE wait for that long ?

 

[Tanishq Bafila]

den it will be $350 millions usd for each Rafale F4.2 jet manufactured by Dassault-DRAL full lifetime ops costs..

Comes with TOT transfer , Spares , Engines , Weapons , Pilots training, Training systems & Indian specific upgrades

 

[Sridhar]

Not sure whether this work out. Each country's airforce has a different specification.

 

[Sharan]

Nice move from greece , But India should Fast track MRFA process & Manufacture Rafale in India Under Make in India & from same plant Greece can get Rfale fighters . Dassault should see Indian Plant for Rafale for Export not just for Indian needs . Very Good opportunity for Three Nation France India & Greece . India should also discuss for Meteor Local production it can too can b export to Greece.& other nation Just Like ASRAAM .

Even better approach would be selling those 36 Rafales to Greece and look else where for 200 jets, 174+26 jets or 150+50 jets for IAF+Navy, we will get the best possible price this way.

 

[Sharan]

den it will be $350 millions usd for each Rafale F4.2 jet manufactured by Dassault-DRAL full lifetime ops costs..

And 0 (Zero) TOT.

 

[PKPRS]

And 0 (Zero) TOT.

How about we include Saudi, UAE, Qatar, Turkey, Indonesia, Croatia and Egypt also, may be France also, we will get even better price, on the contrary the price will increase logically, because each Country’s jet will have their country specific items and it will cost to make those changes during production first time, unless otherwise every Country in the list want’s india specific setup for them also, so adding Greec’s 30 won’t affect the price that much, Greece is too cunning to get a bargain.

 

[Akshat]

Even better approach would be selling those 36 Rafales to Greece and look else where for 200 jets, 174+26 jets or 150+50 jets for IAF+Navy, we will get the best possible price this way.

But the best possible price is given by Dassault only. L1 twice.

 

[Tanishq Bafila]

Even better approach would be selling those 36 Rafales to Greece and look else where for 200 jets, 174+26 jets or 150+50 jets for IAF+Navy, we will get the best possible price this way.

Buying 26 Rafale M was a stop gap measure , otherwise you don't want to spend 5 billion + for just 26 jets..

Which country would be interested to give extra $1 Billion for just Indian specific upgrades , if you wanna sell those 36 jets ?

 

[ramdas]

I believe it's unlikely that India will agree to this proposal because the technical specifications and requirements are different from those of Greece. Additionally, the Indian government does not seem willing to finalize this deal at the moment. They appear to be prolonging the process so that Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) can proceed with the manufacturing of the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) and supply it to the Indian Air Force (IAF).

 

[Sharan]

Buying 26 Rafale M was a stop gap measure , otherwise you don't want to spend 5 billion + for just 26 jets..

Which country would be interested to give extra $1 Billion for just Indian specific upgrades , if you wanna sell those 36 jets ?

+2Bln=$7Bln is the price we will be paying for 22 new single seater Rafale-M’s and 4 used twin seater Rafale-C’s.

 

[avinash]

Greeks are smart people.
Why did this never occur to our negotiators earlier?
Sab nau-sikhiye babu-log hi bhare hain negotiation board mei.

Problem with any govt body in India is : sab kumbhakaran Bane rahte h and end time pe sabko yaad aata h ki Falana parts ka India specific modification chaahiye. Par utne pr bhi inka Mann nhi bharta, inko khud idea nhi h ki exactly chaahiye kya, jaise jaise time beeetata h inko brahma gyaan ki prapti hoti rahti h ki are ye nhi hua, yhi part doosre color me dikhao, secretary sahab ko nukili chonch jyada pasand h, cs sahab ko sab abhi ready chaahiye par final decision minister sahab lenge. Aise thode hi Indian Babu badnaam h.

 

[Akshat]

+2Bln=$7Bln is the price we will be paying for 22 new single seater Rafale-M’s and 4 used twin seater Rafale-C’s.

Still lower than the f18.

 

[Akshat]

Not sure whether this work out. Each country's airforce has a different specification.

Exact specs don’t matter. Final bill value does.

 

[Akshat]

I believe it's unlikely that India will agree to this proposal because the technical specifications and requirements are different from those of Greece. Additionally, the Indian government does not seem willing to finalize this deal at the moment. They appear to be prolonging the process so that Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) can proceed with the manufacturing of the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA) and supply it to the Indian Air Force (IAF).

Specs don’t matter for the negotiations.

As for AMCA, HAL can’t even deliver LCA mk2 till 2040. Forget AMCA.

 

[Pad UwU]

It's a good idea, but if Greece wouldn't but many aircraft at least a minimum of 50~70 pcs.... It'll just a sham idea... Well if join force with Greece in different scenario the deal of acquiring rafale might prolong the order and delivery IMHO 😹

 

[Pad UwU]

No rule says that the tech has to be inferior to NATO. In fact, Rafales of IAF are said to be better than even France itself. Our radars are same. Weapons are anyways add ons and any weapon once integrated is available for purchase. Engine is same. So most of the stuff is same.

Show those proof your spouting bruh😹😹😹

 

[Akshat]

Show those proof your spouting bruh😹😹😹

What’s the point of showing you the proof? I have proof of Rafale having GaN radar as officially confirmed by Thales. You still keep repeating the same lies.

 

[desigandu]

Good, but despite Rafales being good the 2 big problems are capacity to deliver Rafale F4s the planes by 2030 and then price…For MRFA/120 odd jets if France can deliver in a G2G 36 planes in flyby condition by 2028, and the rest made in India 12-18 per year from 2030, at a combined prices of $150 million with ability to integrate Indian weapons, sensors, capability to upgrade to F5s, and 50-75% indigenisation over the contract period, then let us do it…but that is impossible given what we know currently…also there are no easy and fast options as our own Tejas Mk2 will only start limited delivery by 2030 and AMCA Mk1s by 2035 - I am being optimistic…Only the Americans have the industrial capacity besides our enemy China to deliver 100s of fighters per year…so what should India do - I suggest we spend a lot of money and split MRFA into 60 Rafales and 60 F-35As in flyby condition all delivered by 2030 at $150 million per jet, while we focus on Tejas and AMCA…Yes it will cost money but let us spend $5B per year for 8 years to buy this capability…make realistic suggestions with options instead of saying we must do more - how???

 

[PKPRS]

Comes with TOT transfer , Spares , Engines , Weapons , Pilots training, Training systems & Indian specific upgrades

How will it come with TOT when Dassault buys DRAL 100% and make these Rafales themselves at their factory without collaborating with any Indian entity, so there will be absolute Zero TOT.