Pakistan to Field 11 AIP-Equipped Subs by 2030 through Chinese Support, Surpassing India's 9 Amidst Project-75I Delays

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The strategic balance in the Indian Ocean's underwater domain is undergoing a notable transformation, with Pakistan poised to outpace India in fielding submarines equipped with Air Independent Propulsion (AIP) systems by the end of the decade. This development underscores a significant shift in naval capabilities and strategic posturing in the region.

The Pakistani Navy currently operates three Agosta-90B-class submarines, also known as the Khalid class, equipped with the French-supplied MESMA (Module d’Energie Sous-Marin Autonome) AIP system. This system allows submarines to remain submerged for extended periods, significantly increasing their stealth and operational effectiveness. The MESMA system allows a submarine to remain submerged for more than 14 days.

Further bolstering its underwater capabilities, Pakistan is set to receive eight Hangor-class submarines from China, a variant of the Type 039A/B Yuan-class. These submarines will feature an advanced Stirling cycle AIP system, which provides an underwater endurance of 18 days.

The first four Hangor-class submarines are being built in China, while the remaining four will be constructed at the Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KSEW) in Pakistan, demonstrating a significant technology transfer and indigenous shipbuilding capacity boost.

This agreement to supply eight Hangor-class submarines between China and Pakistan was signed in 2015. Deliveries are expected to be completed by 2028.

This acquisition will bring Pakistan's total AIP-equipped submarine fleet to eleven by 2030.

In contrast, the Indian Navy's progress in adopting AIP technology has been comparatively slower. India currently operates six Kalvari-class submarines, based on the French Scorpène design, but these initially lacked AIP capabilities.

DRDO has developed an indigenous Phosphoric Acid Fuel Cell (PAFC) based AIP system. As per the information available from DRDO, this indigenous AIP has successfully completed trials and is ready for integration into these submarines during their mid-life upgrade cycle.

The first submarine, INS Kalvari, is expected to receive the AIP retrofit by late 2027, with the remaining five following suit over subsequent years. Along with these six submarines, three more are to be fitted with this indigenous AIP technology.

Therefore, the Indian Navy will have nine AIP-equipped submarines by the completion of this upgrade program. As per media reports, the Indian Navy will be able to achieve this by 2032.

India's long-term plans include Project-75I, which envisions the construction of six additional AIP-equipped submarines. However, repeated delays and a complex procurement process mean that these submarines are not expected to join the fleet until after 2033, extending the gap in AIP capabilities compared to Pakistan.

Reports indicate that Project-75I has faced numerous setbacks, including disagreements over technology transfer and stringent liability clauses, leading to the withdrawal of several foreign bidders.

This disparity in the timeline for AIP-equipped submarine acquisition highlights a potential shift in the regional naval balance. Pakistan's rapid integration of AIP technology, facilitated by Chinese support, could provide it with a tactical advantage in terms of stealth and endurance.

The ability to remain submerged for extended durations without needing to surface for air significantly enhances a submarine's survivability, operational radius, and effectiveness in both offensive and defensive roles.

The Indian Navy's efforts to catch up involve both retrofitting existing vessels and developing new ones under Project-75I, demonstrating a commitment to indigenous technology and reducing dependence on foreign systems.

However, the inherent complexities of submarine development and technology integration mean that India will be playing catch-up in the AIP domain for the foreseeable future.

The evolving submarine capabilities of both nations will undoubtedly influence strategic calculations and naval dynamics in the Indian Ocean, a region of increasing geopolitical importance. As both countries continue to invest in their naval capabilities, the underwater domain will remain a critical area of competition and a key determinant of regional power balance.
 
Don't worry, India will always have an edge with its fleet of nuclear-powered subs, which Pakistan has 0. So it gives India enough space to properly develop an indigenous AIP system by DRDO, instead of buying from other countries as in Pakistan.
 
Kudos to Indian diplomacy, Pakistan's got more sugar daddies.
Dont dare to say anyhting agains current govt...They have made India Visawguru by their speeches from last 11 years....Our so called nationalist leader is very busy in election from last 11 years....
 
I don't know what else the current government will show. Pakistan, despite being a bankrupt nation, is becoming militarily stronger than India. Countries like Bangladesh and Nepal are also threatening India. Our so-called nationalist leader is busy with elections; for the last 11 years, he is just making India "Vishwaguru" by giving lectures and freebies. Don't disturb him. Where are Project 18 class destroyers, P75i submarines, the 3rd aircraft carrier? Zero projects have started after 2014.
 
I don't know what else the current government will show. Pakistan, despite being a bankrupt nation, is becoming militarily stronger than India. Countries like Bangladesh and Nepal are also threatening India. Our so-called nationalist leader is busy with elections; for the last 11 years, he is just making India "Vishwaguru" by giving lectures and freebies. Don't disturb him. Where are Project 18 class destroyers, P75i submarines, the 3rd aircraft carrier? Zero projects have started after 2014.
Um, a lot of projects have been approved after 2014. For the Navy, you have the DBMRF project, the addendum to Project 75, theNVGMV project, the NGC project, the significant upsizing of the ICG, etc.

Naval projects take a long time to fructify. Any project approved in the mid-2010s will only be formally entering service by or after the mid-2020s.

See, there is always more that can be done, but a lot has also been accomplished. Among what else can be done, we could have, heck, should have, green-lit P-75I, IAC-II, the MRSVs, the MCMV project, a destroyer based on the Nilgiri-class (as a hypothetical P-15C is unlikely), etc.

As for Bhikaristan becoming stronger militarily than India, not quite. Just having fifth generation fighters or a few additional AIP submarines isn't going to be a war-changing thing fot these beggars.

One should realise that having a smaller force allows for better concentration. Take the 1971 war for instance. Bhikaristan was humbled, and about a third of their Navy was wiped out. However, the loss of Bangladesh made things far more easier for them. For the Bhikaristani Navy, there are a few things that help them:

1. They don't have to focus on niche technologies like aircraft carriers or nuclear submarines or larger surface combatants.

2. They don't have to invest on shipbuilding capabilities beyond mid-sized warships. They can build larger auxiliaries in civilian shipyards or get them built overseas.

3. Bhikaristan is a military state, which neans they will get practically any and all money that they need, even while civilians die of hunger or are oppressed.

4. Bhikaristan can and always will import defence equipment like munitions and sensor systems from abroad. They don't have to spend money on developing anything.

If you want to look at Bhikaristan, a decent analogy would be one of the poorer NATO members like Romania and Bulgaria. Both those nations don't have to worry about any of the aforementioned things. Of course, the difference is that those NATO nations are functioning democracies that spend what they can manage on defence, while Bhikaristan spends what it can beg on defence.
 
Dont dare to say anyhting agains current govt...They have made India Visawguru by their speeches from last 11 years....Our so called nationalist leader is very busy in election from last 11 years....
Yes, I am sure infrastructure spending going up, a pretty good response to something like Covid, handling across multiple geopolitical crises, etc. has nothing to with the government.

See, the present government has a lot of areas of improvement. Heck, they have actively done worse than previous governments in some ways. However, they have also done pretty well in some areas. Have the decency to atleast acknowledge that.
 
Our Bharat has a vast coastline, and without sufficient submarines and MCMVs (Mine Counter Measures Vessels), our coastal and naval assets are highly vulnerable to ChinPak subs. All of Pakistan's 5 Agosta subs, which were made before our Scorpenes, have French MESMA AIP. We didn't go for the French MESMA AIP because our DRDO boasted that our fuel-cell-based AIP would be ready in time for installation on the first Scorpene. Today, all six Scorpenes are not only without AIP but even without HD torpedoes. All this while, Pakistan will get 4 new AIP SSKs from China in 2025 and another 4 to be fabricated in Karachi by 2028!
 
Yes, I am sure infrastructure spending going up, a pretty good response to something like Covid, handling across multiple geopolitical crises, etc. has nothing to with the government.

See, the present government has a lot of areas of improvement. Heck, they have actively done worse than previous governments in some ways. However, they have also done pretty well in some areas. Have the decency to atleast acknowledge that.
You got 10 years with a full majority but ruined it. Many reforms could have been done. From 2004-2014, average economic growth was 6.8%. From 2014-2024, average economic growth was 5.6%, despite having a majority in parliament. Now you decide. After 2014, only freebies have been given: free ration, free electricity, free gas, etc.
 
Defence procurement should be a simple process, which is complicated in our country by the involvement of various departments. The slightest of reforms are looked upon with suspicion. The powers given to the armed forces by this government for emergency procurement are opposed by many people and the bureaucracy. The planners are always dreaming of impractical projects like MRFA for the IAF and P75I for the navy and want to involve the inexperienced private sector. The best solution for the Navy is to cancel the P75I and order 10 new Scorpene submarines instead of 3 and concentrate on the P77 indigenous submarine project. Similarly, the IAF should cancel the MRFA, order an additional 36 Rafales, 72 Sukhois, and concentrate on Kaveri engines, Tejas, and AMCA.
 
Construction rate of naval ships and submarines is very slow.
MDL should award contracts to HSL, CSL shipyards, for faster production.

And our design team should stick firmly to one design , instead of going for room of betterments.

This way submarine can be built in less than 2-3 years time.
 
You got 10 years with a full majority but ruined it. Many reforms could have been done. From 2004-2014, average economic growth was 6.8%. From 2014-2024, average economic growth was 5.6%, despite having a majority in parliament. Now you decide. After 2014, only freebies have been given: free ration, free electricity, free gas, etc.
1. If you are comparing economic growth figures, take some consideration for the two years of Covid in there, since you had massive slowdowns and shrinkage during that period.

2. Freebies were given before 2014, and they have been given since then. Are they a good thing? No. Are they necessary? Yes. The only freebies not required are the ones being pushed only for political gain.

3. Were reforms done? Yes. Were they sufficient? No. As I said, some good has been done, and a lot more needs to be done.
 
If you are comparing economic growth figures, take some consideration for the two years of Covid in there, since you had massive slowdowns and shrinkage during that period.
Bro during 2004-2014
we had the major 2008 recession
which was more disastrous then COVID
 
Don't worry, India will always have an edge with its fleet of nuclear-powered subs, which Pakistan has 0. So it gives India enough space to properly develop an indigenous AIP system by DRDO, instead of buying from other countries as in Pakistan.
With just two nuclear powered SUB’s against 11 AIP equipped SUB’s.
 
Bro during 2004-2014
we had the major 2008 recession
which was more disastrous then COVID
Recession is failure of policies and actions, covid is pandemic can't compare Them .. u dare to ignore freebies for chutiya voter majority will vanish in no times ... who wants reform in this country, look at these farmers , babus even industries they only talk about tax rebate not reforms ...
 
Bro during 2004-2014
we had the major 2008 recession
which was more disastrous then COVID
It wasn't, atleast not for India. The stock market took a thrashing, yes, but the economy itself was mostly insulated. The RBI had to revise the growth estimate for 2008-09 from 7.8% to 7.5%. The RBI, coupled with the fact that India didn't exactly have a lot of surprise lending and the like, meant we were mostly insulated, apart from the stock market, of course.

Covid, on the other hand, hot us far, far harder.
 

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